Panasonic PT-AE4000U

just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
there are vids of it in action. the lense memory is very cool.
 
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finishers

Junior Audioholic
The PJ looks pretty good. The specs looks quite good.
 
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westcott

Audioholic General
I have decided that I will no longer purchase or recommend Panasonic LCD projectors. Mine just blew up after four years of use.

After doing some research, it seems that polarizers are a common failure for these projectors. Replacing it may or not fix the issue. If the board overheats from this failure, then it is basically a total loss.

My wife and i can not watch DLP so I am starting to search for an LED or DILA projector.

The Panasonics are great performing projectors but after this failure, reliability is not good and purchasing one should be reconsidered.

Hope this helps.
 
strube

strube

Audioholic Field Marshall
I have decided that I will no longer purchase or recommend Panasonic LCD projectors. Mine just blew up after four years of use.

After doing some research, it seems that polarizers are a common failure for these projectors. Replacing it may or not fix the issue. If the board overheats from this failure, then it is basically a total loss.

My wife and i can not watch DLP so I am starting to search for an LED or DILA projector.

The Panasonics are great performing projectors but after this failure, reliability is not good and purchasing one should be reconsidered.

Hope this helps.
Fair enough. I personally think 4 years isn't a horrible run for a display (how many hours?) - that is when my first Sharp DLP bit it, and lots of PJs I have experience with have failed before that 4 year mark. I also know quite a few people with good experiences with Panasonic, and you will hear of failures from many other brands too, and the issue in question may be long since addressed in new PJs from Panny after 4 years.

I do understand though. I had a Optoma DLP die on me several times before the one year warranty was out and I will definitely never recommend them to anyone. I would definitely recommend Panny over Optoma (or Sony) any day, but obviously, YMMV.
 
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westcott

Audioholic General
Fair enough. I personally think 4 years isn't a horrible run for a display (how many hours?) - that is when my first Sharp DLP bit it, and lots of PJs I have experience with have failed before that 4 year mark. I also know quite a few people with good experiences with Panasonic, and you will hear of failures from many other brands too, and the issue in question may be long since addressed in new PJs from Panny after 4 years.

I do understand though. I had a Optoma DLP die on me several times before the one year warranty was out and I will definitely never recommend them to anyone. I would definitely recommend Panny over Optoma (or Sony) any day, but obviously, YMMV.
I guess I am spoiled. Four years for a CRT would be abysmal. If you figure $2,000 purchase cost, that is $500 a year + lamps. Thats another $600+. So we are at an operating cost of $650 per year!!!! I do not consider that good for any display. I had about 7000 to 9000 hours on it. Again, I have a CRT in my spare bedroom that is 24 years old and still works great.

The second matter is that the problem seems to be with most LCD technologies, not just Panasonic. But since I have no experience with the others I can not condemn all manufacturers of LCD's.

If plasma and LCD flat panel TV's failed after four years, everyone and their mother would be up in arms. Not sure why you feel four years is acceptable for a projector?

I priced a JVC DILA and it is more than double the price of an LCD or DLP. Not sure what to do at this point. LED seems to be up and coming but I do not want to wait.

Just really bummed at this point because my wife and I love the big screen.
 
strube

strube

Audioholic Field Marshall
I guess I am spoiled. Four years for a CRT would be abysmal. If you figure $2,000 purchase cost, that is $500 a year + lamps. Thats another $600+. So we are at an operating cost of $650 per year!!!! I do not consider that good for any display. I had about 7000 to 9000 hours on it. Again, I have a CRT in my spare bedroom that is 24 years old and still works great.

The second matter is that the problem seems to be with most LCD technologies, not just Panasonic. But since I have no experience with the others I can not condemn all manufacturers of LCD's.

If plasma and LCD flat panel TV's failed after four years, everyone and their mother would be up in arms. Not sure why you feel four years is acceptable for a projector?

I priced a JVC DILA and it is more than double the price of an LCD or DLP. Not sure what to do at this point. LED seems to be up and coming but I do not want to wait.

Just really bummed at this point because my wife and I love the big screen.
I think the unfortunate fact of the matter is that nothing is built to last anymore. Everything has built-in obsolescence, or is just designed to get you past the warranty period before you have to buy something new because your last thing died. I could go on about this for ages but I am preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, I think we both know nothing will ever beat CRT for being bulletproof and long-lasting.

Of the "new" displays I know about around town, I have seen almost all plasmas fail in 2 to 4 years, at least at my altitude, and LCD HDTVs have honestly not been around quite long enough to determine their longevity at this point. That said, I have an LCD computer monitor that is in its 7th year, so that to me is great.

When you said 9000 hours, all I could think is "wow, that is awesome. You actually really did get your use out of that thing." Sad but true. I only got about 4500 hours out of the Sharp, and less than 2000 out of the Optoma (we're talking 3rd failure there, after the last warranty repair it was time to ditch that thing). I guess I am a younger generation and so I am used to stuff crapping out on me earlier. My tools do it too, but my grandpa is still using the same table saw he used in Morocco at the end of WWII and it is still a champion. :(

Also, though you paid $2k plus bulbs, the technology moves so fast that that PJ was probably worth less than $500 the day before it died on you, so it is hard to figure operating costs correctly, though I know we talked about that operating costs with depreciation stuff in my one business class... :)


I think we are few years out from LED tech permeating the HT market. I would take a look into some budget 1080p projectors I guess, which can be had in the sub-1k region, or even cheaper are some pretty decent 720p PJs. The JVCs starting at $4k certainly would upset you much more if they die in 4 years...
 
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Sherardp

Audioholic
Sad to hear about your Panasonic WestScott. I think you would be fine going to LCOS based unit. JVC PJs throw a nice image; perhaps you would be able to find HD/RS1 used. I think you would be happy with one for some time until LED floods the market in the yrs to come. If you don't want to spend that much coin then maybe an Epson would work.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I guess I am spoiled. Four years for a CRT would be abysmal. If you figure $2,000 purchase cost, that is $500 a year + lamps. Thats another $600+. So we are at an operating cost of $650 per year!!!! I do not consider that good for any display. I had about 7000 to 9000 hours on it. Again, I have a CRT in my spare bedroom that is 24 years old and still works great.

The second matter is that the problem seems to be with most LCD technologies, not just Panasonic. But since I have no experience with the others I can not condemn all manufacturers of LCD's.

If plasma and LCD flat panel TV's failed after four years, everyone and their mother would be up in arms. Not sure why you feel four years is acceptable for a projector?

I priced a JVC DILA and it is more than double the price of an LCD or DLP. Not sure what to do at this point. LED seems to be up and coming but I do not want to wait.

Just really bummed at this point because my wife and I love the big screen.
FWIW, I bought an AVS powerbuy on a Mack warranty for my openbox JVC. It cost me $260, and included are two free bulbs, with a 6 year warranty on the PJ. My first bulb replacement went as smoothly as possible, but I cannot offer you any feedback on any PJ repair/warranty issue. For you, I'm sure even 6 years might not be adequate, but the other side of the coin is that every year do the PJs get better, and cheaper for that same quality. The last 4 years represent an eon as far as PQ for the dollar in the projector world. I know it doesn't make you feel that much better, but there is a yin for the yang.

One of the cons of JVC that BMX would point out, compared to an LCD based system like Epson, is the lack of brightness. OTOH, I see a lot of posts that say when both units are calibrated, the JVC does very well compared to its competition, in fact maybe even better with brightness. However, perhaps that's only in a batcave, I don't know.

Another thing to know is that the JVC RS1/2 are louder in operation than the concurrent Panasonic models.
 
strube

strube

Audioholic Field Marshall
Another thing to know is that the JVC RS1/2 are louder in operation than the concurrent Panasonic models.
Yes, MUCH louder IMO. But I have sensitive, silk dome ear drums and my fans are blasting in High Altitude mode... :D
 
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Sherardp

Audioholic
Yes, MUCH louder IMO. But I have sensitive, silk dome ear drums and my fans are blasting in High Altitude mode... :D
I have played around with fan settings on HD1 prior to selling it, and I agree with you that fan can be loud and easily heard. The newer models, whisper quiet.
 
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TVJon

Audioholic
My online projector dealer of choice sent out a mass email today confirming the PT-AE4000U is coming to the states... lists the price at a hair under $2,000. That's a significant drop from what the AE3000 sold for. We can thank price pressure from the new $1k projectors for that, I think. Can't wait for initial reviews to see how it stacks up, but based on my experience with my previous Panny AX200U and early comments, I'm pretty much sold.

TVJon
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
Polarizer failures are far from just being a Panasonic problem. This problem plagues all LCD projectors both front and rear. I see at least one failure a week at my job, mostly in LCD rear projection Sony sets. I have seen quite a few Sony, InFocus, Sharp, and Epson LCD front projectors with this problem. I have not seen any Panasonic of Mitsubishi LCD front projectors with this problem.

The AE4000 looks really nice. I would like to see it in person. My 720p Mits HD1000 DLP is still going strong so I have time to wait for 1080p prices to come down and hopefully by then I will have a dedicated theater room to put it.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Worth updating that sites are now taking pre-orders for the AE4000 and it has had a dramatic impact on the AE3000 as well!

$1999 is the price over at VisualApex.com !!!

That's less than the AE3000 by a long shot and it has forced the AE3000 into a serious sell off.

Sold out at VisualApex but $1699 at ProjectorPeople!
http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projdtls.asp?itemid=24159&itmname=Panasonic+PT-AE3000U

This the big price fall until next year when all the 3D compatible models are released? Methinks so.
 
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quicke60

Audioholic Intern
WOW this is a killer deal!! What's the changes in the AE4000? Have the auto iris issues been resolved?
 
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finishers

Junior Audioholic
The link which has been mentioned is saying $1800 for pt ae3000.
 
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hello2nycity

Audiophyte
Re:

After 4 years you should spend some money on your system. Projector lamps need to be replaced every so often. I have just bought new projector after clocking 1500h on my old one. Upgrade from pt-ax200u to pt-ae4000u. It's weird coz i don't think the ae4000u is that much better!!! It's definitely not blowing me away. No GAME mode!!! and the picture on Blue-Ray is OK but not that much brighter or clearer then my old projector ax-200u. If you guys have any questions just email me or maybe some suggestions? i had my pt-ax200u for 1.5years and i really though that if it get's any better than that picture it would be awesome. i've upgraded to ax4000u at a respectable price of $1999, when i paid $1350 for my old panasonic.
 
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TVJon

Audioholic
Interesting post, Hello.

I had a ax200u in my first theater room and had pretty much decided to do what you did. what's your room like for light control, size of screen, etc? I'm doing a 110 inch screen in a totally-light-controlled room. Your post is making me wonder how significant the PQ difference really is.

TVJon
 
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