Bass Pig's Lair Gets a Projection System

basspig

basspig

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Had the house to myself for a few hours, so I got to enjoy the extremes of volume once again. On a song that had just very clean bass and not much else going on, but with the bass level very high, I became faintly aware of a slight slapping noise way to the left and behind me somewhere in the room. I walked over to the source of the noise--it was an unused speaker that was not even powered on--or so I thought--it's cone was making a wild excursion and my first thought was 'oh crap--how'd this get program fed to it?' On further investigation, it turned out the speaker was NOT powered. It was sympathetically responding as a passive radiator, and the SPL in the room was driving it to its Xmech limits, hence bottoming out the pole piece on a non-connected speaker.
I've troubleshot some strange rattles in my time, but never a passive speaker slapping around like that.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
I became faintly aware of a slight slapping noise way to the left and behind me somewhere in the room.
That was obviously your @$$ cheeks.. !!! :D:p


Seriously... you're a sick sick man...

Whats in your car?
 
basspig

basspig

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I should have known that using the preposition "behind" would get me into some sort of embarassing situation.. :rolleyes:

Sick, indeed. I went outside while Bassotronics was playing. Momma mia! The 11Hz and 16Hz bass notes could be felt as pressure on the ears and even were somewhat audible.

After all was done, I spent the next hour cleaning up the dust that had fallen from the ceiling, and picking up things that had fallen off numerous shelves.

I don't know what it is about a session like that, but the next day, I slept 15 hours. These sessions always have that effect on me.


In other news, that JBL 2403 I bought on eBay last month, and replaced the diaphragm on, well, I learned that it's the wrong diaphragm, but that there's a way to make it work. The pole piece on the 2403 is a paper thickness or two shorter than on the 2404, which the diaphragm from Sound Speaker Repair is intended as a direct drop in replacement.

Their bulletin says that you have to put masking tape on the face of the pole piece and then the inner ring will sit at the correct height. Failure to do this results in very low output because the diaphragm is being stretched tawt and is not free to vibrate normally. That explains why I couldn't get the highs out of the center channel so sound quite right. It also brings to memory the fact that I did find it a bit odd that the center ring was dragging on the phase plug as I screwed it back on after installation.

So Monday's project is to remove the screen, remove that center tweeter and redo the diaphragm install, adding the shim as required in the bulletin I just read. When I purchased these spare diaphragms in 2006, the invoice said it fit 2403, 2404, and a bunch of similar models. No mention that you have to do tricks to make it work properly in 2403 units.

In preparation for that, I installed sliding bolt action locks on the top of the screen frame, and removed the screw that was holding the screen to L brackets. Now I can slide the locks and remove the screen in seconds, without any tools. The locks slide in with positive action, and I've angled them downwards a bit, so gravity keeps them locked, so they can't shake loose.

Monday's list of modifications include adding a felt strip to the top of the screen wall frame. This will be to prevent the screen frame from rattling at low frequencies, which, under pure sine tone conditions, is audible. I also could find this rattle by hitting the top of the frame with my hand. A more difficult modification involves putting felt strips on the two center support rails inside the screen frame. Since the back is covered with light blocker (black Spandex and polyester), this will be quite a bit trickier to achieve. I may have to pull about a hundred staples along one edge, reach in and apply glue and felt strips with great care. Then I can re-tention the screen, which loosened up a bit after a few blast sessions and get out any minor waviness that have formed near the bottom.

I spent this evening adding mass to the wall behind the speakers. This wall is wood frame, dividing the furnace/laundry room from the theater. I put up some fireproof asbestos cement paneling, which is very heavy, about 100lbs a sheet, on the furnace side of the wall, from 48 year old stock I had in the back yard. This was supposed to be done before the furnace and hot water heater were installed, but things didn't work out as planned. Doing this after the fact proved to be like squeezing an elephant (me) through the eye of a needle. I had to contort myself to get in between a maze of pipes, electrical cables, oil lines, the tank and furnace and associated expansion tanks. A delicate job. I got one full 4x8 sheet up and screwed to the wall. Just pounding on the wall, it's obvious it's added stiffness and mass. That may help increase the low frequency gain on the theater side of the wall. And, of course, help with isolation of noise. Plus its fire-resistant, which is a nice thing to have on the furnace side. If I can reduce the leakage of bass from theater into furnace room, it should be quieter upstairs in the bedrooms above that area too, which is good for the inlaws.
 
basspig

basspig

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Mixed bag here... multiple projects around the house.. however, this week saw the conversion from screwed in L brackets to slide lock deadbolt style locks for the screen frame, stopper tabs at the bottom, and a glued on felt strip along the top. A loop for a pull tab in the top center makes R&R of the frame easy--just slide the two deadbolts to unlock, and pull the loop and lift out the frame. Couldn't be easier.

Did my center channel tweeter shim modification, using Kapton tape on the pole piece and a signal generator to monitor when optimum level is reached.

The center channel, however, still sounds dull when connected to the center channel of a DVD player. I wanted to trace the loss of HF response, so I connected the input of the power amp that drives the center speaker to the output of the loudspeaker manager for the right channel. Normal response was observed, indicating the speaker/amp are functioning normally. However, when connected to its own loudspeaker manager channel and the DVD player, pink noise bursts in left and right have normal brightness, but center is muffled. It took +14dB of shelving boost above 6KHz to get it to sound close to the L & R channels. Something about the center channel on the DVD player is either band-limited, or something funky going on with that channel on the DCX2496. Next step is to sweep and measure the response of the DCX and see where the roll-off is coming from.

I put up two 4x8 sheets of asbestos cement paneling on the furnace room wall. Already seeing a -3dB drop in leakage at 50Hz into that room. Not sure if there is any benefit on the theater side of the wall, except maybe less noise from the oil burners leaking through. This stuff is a lot of work!

I bought some anime on DVD this week. Sat down and watched the first nine episodes of RahXephon. It was in 4:3 aspect, but looked quite watchable. Sound was only 2-channel stereo in both English and Japanese tracks. I'm getting so used to surround sound that when I encounter stereo, I forget that it's because it's anime. Only the feature anime films have surround sound.

I have some Blu-ray discs on order, so hopefully here soon. Amanda frequently wants to see a dinosaur movie down here. She's gotten used to the large screen and asks to 'watch it downstairs'.
 
basspig

basspig

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Wooden Floor Adds to Sense of Bass Impact

I watched a movie at a friend's home theater last night and one thing really struck me: at very moderate levels of bass output, I could feel the wooden floor vibrate quite a bit and that added a lot to the illusion of powerful bass. Even though I felt nothing in my chest, nor in the air itself, the shake coming from the floor and through the couch gave a strong sense that the bass was much stronger than it was.
I've been aware of this phenomenon for at least 30 years, but last night was a reminder of how influential it is. The floors in contractor-built homes shake a lot, indeed they flex visibly when I walk across them. But that same attribute can make for a more powerful perception of bass, than one gets with a solid concrete floor. I think one of the reasons I push more bass output here is because there is much less tactile sensation transmitted through the floor, hence I need more SPL to achieve the same perception of tactile bass.
Being on the ground floor, I'm missing out on that 'low hanging fruit bass' sensation and have to use dangerous SPLs to achieve it through direct air transmission.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Now! That is totally auditive scaryness! How's your ears treating you?
 
basspig

basspig

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Thanks for the accolades. :D

I purchased the very first component for this particular sound system in 1976. I've been building, saving, buying and building ever since. It's not just a hobby, it's an obsession!

The projector is an InFocus IN82. I researched a bunch of models, looking for one with good black levels AND good shadow detail, and the IN82 came up with high praise. Then I went hunting and, like a stroke of Serendipity, one appeared on eBay last July and I was the only other of two bidders. I won it for $1425. The entire theater conversion project, including fabric for curtains, seating, woodwork, hardware, screen material from SeymourAV Products, DiY projector mount, and cables was $2500. The rest was sweat equity and a lot of DiY ingenuity.

I'll post other clips from time to time, as the opportunity arises.

PS: We're having an anime fan club meeting Saturday, November 14. It's an open meeting and all are invited. This clip was actually a teaser for the club meeting announcement I put on FaceBook.
 
majorloser

majorloser

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I'd love to get a chance to experience your theater!

Then walk away smiling with my ears bleeding...
 
basspig

basspig

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If you're ever in Connecticut on business or visiting relatives, PM me ahead of time and I'll give directions and contact info.

There are few movies that have realistic dynamic range, but a few are getting close. U-571 is one film that nearly caused a divorce!

When I'm alone and listening to certain kinds of music, that's where I like the concussive pressure. It takes about 3 minutes of that and I'm set for the whole week!
 
basspig

basspig

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Just a short update... since I'm preparing for an anime club meeting, I've been motivated to finish much of the cosmetic work. The sound barrier panels that I built, which have 6" of fiberglass and 1/4" plywood in the middle of the fiberglass, are in 48" wooden frames on stands. My finishing treatment was to stretch Spandex over them. Now I have two black monoliths that absorb and block sound from the racks and my electronic musical instruments and computers at the back of the studio.

Second, I've built a riser platform for the second row of seats. Now all I have to do is find more of those seats that Costco sold last July.

I was in a rush to get done for the Nov 14th club meet, but last Friday, a major symphony orchestra client called and requested my services making a DVD of the concert, so I had to bump the meeting to Nov 21st and am currently making early preparations for recording the concert.

My remaining project is DIY track lighting. I bought the 1-watt warm white LEDs and am planning the construction of the lamp housings and tracks. Three LED lamps go above the theater seating. Another array of them will go above my workstations at that back. Separate dimmers for these two zones.

Things are coming along nicely.
 
basspig

basspig

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We had our little anime club meeting last Saturday. Went from about 2PM to almost 10PM.
It still amazes me how wide a gulf exists between my concept of loud and others'.
The vastness of sound levels variation from one Blu-ray disc to another can be quite exasperating. On the one hand, you have my GBSO concert BD, which everyone loved for it's perfect balance and sonic perfection. Then we move on to Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children and the logo music is WAY too loud and four people are raising hands and saying "turn it down!".
Now personally, I just put up with the uneven volume levels found on many commercial discs, hoping the film's dynamic range is natural.
Then you get some titles that are so soft you can barely hear the dialog (V for Vendetta was one example that I watched this evening). The movie Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea was, on average, too loud.
This vast inconsistency or lack of adherence to some standard reference level makes doing group viewing a real pita.
Despite all the crazy audio levels across a range of discs played, we all had a great time. There were some kids in the audience and I think we made an unforgettable impression on them as well.
The riser platform and my LED lighting are complete, so we had six prime seats and several extra overflow seats on the sides.
 
Ito

Ito

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What all did you watch at your club?
Out of all the people that I know that watch anime, far too few of them even remotely care about sound quality, lol.

And since you have new stuff in, you know what that means, right? New pictures!
 
basspig

basspig

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We watched, first, a demo reel I'd shot of a military air show, then some footage of a symphony that I'd made a recording of (we had a first violinist in the audience), then we moved on to Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, then Mamoru Oshii's The Sky Crawlers, then other guests fired up some short anime OAVs from a USB hard drive connected to an editing workstation that was driving the projector from a DVI switcher and we saw several obscure and not so obscure anime, including one entitled Bartender which is an anime that must have been written by bartenders who understand the finer nuances of mixology and psychology. It was very well-done and I learned a lot about the trade and about mixing drinks that I was not aware of prior.
After that, another guest brought a DVD of an anime entitled Emma, a love story taking place in 19th century England. That same guest also put on a slide show later on of his trip to Japan, touring many of the train stations (he's a rail fan and a member of a society that's preserving an historic switch house in CT).
Another guest brought episodes of Inuyasha, Rozen Maiden and Tekkonkinkreet.
The other club administrator showed Seraphim Call, a series of stories about girls and their adventures.
We finished up with Umi ga Kikoeru (I Can Hear the Sea), a story about a girl high school transfer student from Tokyo and the impact she has on the class in a smaller city of Kochi, the cultural friction and the maturization of all involved over a ten year period.
We didn't get to Ponyo on the Cliff by the Sea, but one of the serious otaku club members brought copies of a DVD of it and circulated them to anyone interested.

It was a pretty good meeting. 3 no shows out of 10 who RSVP'd.

I'd been wanting to post more photos, but I hit the quota limit on this forum long ago in July and have been unable to upload anything since. 1MB seems paltry in this day and age when my digicam shoots 24MB PER picture!
 
majorloser

majorloser

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Most of us have set up Photobucket accounts just for our theaters. I actually have about five different PB accounts for each different subject or special events. Then you won't be limited on pics.

I agree on disc volume levels. It's ridiculous hom much difference there can be. I'm waiting to get one of my new pre/pros that have Dolby Volume just to see how it handles the changes.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Perhaps a dynamic eq setup might help with the issue. Apply some kind of volume limiting. Still it's very silly IMO. Certainly a device should be made that keeps the main volume at a safe level automatically.
 
basspig

basspig

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I used to have a photobucket account, but at the time, it didn't let me link to images, instead providing some sort of 'violation of terms' graphic on the embedded image. This, I'm told, was to prevent eBay sellers from using up their bandwidth for auction photos.

Re loudness levels, I would hate to engage the DNR feature on my players. I want to experience the FULL dynamic range of an action film, which is often not nearly enough. But... there are films where it's a drama and the overall dialog is +12dB over another video, where I find myself straining to hear the dialog at near whisper levels.

One would think studios would adopt some standard, like with the THX standard, setting a standard level for normal speech in the dialog track, music levels, heck--even the logo music at the front end of the disc loading.

I would propose something like full scale 0dB (max digital rec level) to equate with 140dB, reserved for pyrotechnics, gunshots, etc. 130db or -10dBfs for nearfield train horn blasts, air raid sirens at close range, etc. 120dB (-20dBfs) for close range jet engine sounds. 115dB (-25dBfs) for rock music. 105db (-35dBfs) for orchesta crescendos. 85dB for close range shouting. 60-65dB for conversation levels, and so on. Realizing that not many HTs can exceed 105dB without severe distortion, there could be a scaling or a compander curve built into the standard, where 140dB=105dB on the HT system, while keeping 60dB = 60dB for the conversation levels.

The challenge is getting diverse film studios to adopt one standard. :(
 

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