Is there any magic in power cables??

[mtrycrafts]

yes ask anyone that has read a little bit on the subject, or say CEO of major companies I have spoken with all agree cables do go thru a break-in process.

By all means, please tell us which major companies told you this silliness nonsense? Don't be shy about naming names.
Oh, if they are cable peddlers, why would they tell you different? It is in their interest to peddle the snake oil claims to the gullible out there, more money ion their pockets.

Matching cables (not neccesarly Virtual Dynamics) keep the sonic tonality the same across the board, just as having matching speakers does.

Oh, really? Show us the evidence, not urban legends and myths, thanks. OR, this too comes from the same CEOs?

You can use lamp cords for all I care but really do a little reading/research before you repy to my messages as it is like talking to a wall!

I have done my research, you bet. It seems you have not done yours properly.

You talk about scientic data, I have seen quite a bit & reseached quit a bit. I make my own disicions based on facts & the information (scientic) I read that has educated me. You just seem to go along with the crowd!

Once again, please share all that scientific data and facts with us. Most of us here would be most interested where you science is coming from; don't be shy about it. Cite sources so we can check it out.

So what about different metal conectivity? that was the whole point?? What do mean so what? there are different quality of copper & different forms Example: Multi-strand/single strand. Yes it does make a big difference.

Remember that wall you brought up?

At least Rick @ virtual dynamics has study & research how difference materails, metals, ect sound, have you?

Please post their research, not their silly claims. We want to see his double blind research of cable sound, not his empty claims of silliness and bs. And now who is parroting whom? What have you researched? Or, just believe everything that Rick tells you? So it seems.

I don't buy snake oil,

You don't? You certainly have made a bunch of snake oil claims here but you don't buy it???

I actually meet Rick because i e-mailed him telling him he was out to rip-off people. It turns out he is a pretty decent guy & does have a lot of knowledge.

So, by that he cannot be out there ripping off people? How do you know he is knowledgeable? What is your yardstick for measuring him?

By the way how do you like your BOSE SYSTEM!

Kodg

Oh, I love it, wouldn't trade it for any amount.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The pair of interconnects I swaped out are made of copper wire, the ones I up-graded too are made from Silver wire! maybe you should read the whole message! Some people just don't get it.

Kodg

You are right, we just don't get it. Please tell us what silver has over copper as an interconnect that makes an audible difference. By all means, don't skimp on words, tell us everything; we just might learn something, from Rick.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I was blowen away right away when i went from copper to silver interconnects. As far as break-in it is a reality, you will get 80% or so of the performace out of the box,(or in your case your plastic K-Mart bag) but it will take 100-150 hrs to break in quality cables or speakers.

a good example is a newly formed river bed, the more time water flows down it the quicker, smother the water flow. Same with an electrical signal, the more it is used the better current flow, smoothness & the greaterthe signal tranfer.
Kodg

You learned all this from Rick? Please tell us more. Tell us about his experiments and evidence for all this interesting revelations. Has he published any of his research and work? Maybe he is up for a Nobel next year for it?

 

[mtrycrafts]

So you're saying the current flows through the cables like water through a hose, right?

I think he is just teasing us, testing us.

 

[Adam]

I started thinking about the atomic erosion of a metallic conductor over millions of years (you know, like how water erodes a river bed ), and it got me curious about something else. I wonder if a group of roaches will be having this same argument in a few million years, while others debate if roaches and humans ever walked the Earth at the same time (or if humans ever really existed).

 

[Rickster71]

So let me see if I understand....
Electricity travels for miles in crappy aluminum high voltage lines. Then it gets to my house, and goes through many feet of crappy 14 AWG Romex. Then, you say the last six feet of 8 AWG silver wire power cord makes an audible difference?

 

[markw]

So you're saying the current flows through the cables like water through a hose, right?

Well, somebody's being hosed all right.

 

[highfigh]

I wonder if a group of roaches will be having this same argument in a few million years, while others debate if roaches and humans ever walked the Earth at the same time (or if humans ever really existed).

You mean like this? "If a river of humans flows at 23 humps per mile, how long does it take for the population of Cleveland to flow down to New Orleans?"

No real offense meant to anyone from Cleveland, just the first city that came to mind.

 

[highfigh]

If a power cord is made from decent materials and the connections cause minimal resistance, using silver just makes it cost more. It's handling 120VAC at 60Hz, not DC to light. If the original power cable is deficient, any new cable of the correct gauge will make it sound better. AC travels in both directions and if the 'electrons flow at speeds that approach the speed of light' concept is used, it's about 3104 miles/sec.

I want someone to post a convincing explanation for how a silver power cord can make up for an old connection at the breaker panel or somewhere else in the building between the panel and that receptacle or anywhere else in the path.

 

[highfigh]

I bought some "HD Romex" from some guys in a white van. They said it was ordered for a customer but they got a double shipment and figured that what their boss doesn't know, won't hurt him. Did I make a mistake?

Signed,

Where did I put my thinking cap?

 

[Adam]

Did I make a mistake?

Not at all. HD Romex is the shizzle!

 

[highfigh]

Not at all. HD Romex is the shizzle!

Woed.
.

 

[JerryLove]

AC travels in both directions and if the 'electrons flow at speeds that approach the speed of light' concept is used, it's about 3104 miles/sec.

c = 180,000 mi/sec

I want someone to post a convincing explanation for how a silver power cord can make up for an old connection at the breaker panel or somewhere else in the building between the panel and that receptacle or anywhere else in the path.

Erm. Something about warewolves and silver's magical properties... and then I think my skin turns blue.

I forget.

 

[Adam]

c = 180,000 mi/sec

That's roughly correct for the speed in a vacuum, yes.

 

[JerryLove]

That's roughly correct for the speed in a vacuum, yes.

I believe it's also the approximate speed through copper. I recall an incident where they tracked down an eastern-European computer spy. One of the colleges in California saw unaccounted for processor cycles. One thing they looked at was round-trip time for packets.

The time was 1.5 seconds. It was identified as "puts him on the moon". He was, of course, not on the moon; but the added time was not that electrons in copper are much slower than light, rather it was that repeaters introduce delays.

3,000 miles per second would mean, even given a direct trunk, there would be a 2-second delay between me saying something and hearing a response with someone in California over a copper phone-line. (yes, now much is fiber, but it was not when I was a child)

 

[highfigh]

c = 180,000 mi/sec

Erm. Something about warewolves and silver's magical properties... and then I think my skin turns blue.

I forget.

You're right- I meant 3104 miles/cycle @60Hz assuming c=186,282 miles/sec, which is what I learned in school. Over 40 years ago. They may have arrived at that number with a slide rule.

Silver and vampires, too. I think. Pretty sure they don't do well with wooden stakes through the heart. Or is it wooden 'steaks'?

 

[highfigh]

I believe it's also the approximate speed through copper. I recall an incident where they tracked down an eastern-European computer spy. One of the colleges in California saw unaccounted for processor cycles. One thing they looked at was round-trip time for packets.

The time was 1.5 seconds. It was identified as "puts him on the moon". He was, of course, not on the moon; but the added time was not that electrons in copper are much slower than light, rather it was that repeaters introduce delays.

3,000 miles per second would mean, even given a direct trunk, there would be a 2-second delay between me saying something and hearing a response with someone in California over a copper phone-line. (yes, now much is fiber, but it was not when I was a child)

The speed in a vacuum vs in wire is why I wrote 'approaches'. It can't be the same in a conductor as in a vacuum and with other hardware in hte circuit, it would have to slow down even more.

Next topic- perpetual motion!

 

[LucB]

I ended up replacing mine on my poweramp because it got realy hot when I played it for a long period of time at max levels. D

Power cables getting hot!!?? When you place them on top of the amp, maybe

I've got a 3000 W appliance on one power cord and it doesn't go above room temp.

Power cables don't make a difference at all, unless they would be so extremely thin that they can't deliver the required current. Have a look at the wire section of the cables inside the wall, it makes no sense to have power cables thicker than that anyway.

 

[lsiberian]

Power cables getting hot!!?? When you place them on top of the amp, maybe

I've got a 3000 W appliance on one power cord and it doesn't go above room temp.

Power cables don't make a difference at all, unless they would be so extremely thin that they can't deliver the required current. Have a look at the wire section of the cables inside the wall, it makes no sense to have power cables thicker than that anyway.

I think your missing several other cases. What if the wire isn't insulated?

 

[JerryLove]

Agreed. A power cable heating up is generally a sign of a defective cable (or one sitting on an amp). It's also possible that it's simply a poorly chosen cable (defective not from manufacturing defect but from misuse) such as an uninsulated one making contact with something else.

But "too thin" is rarely a problem with power cables, unless they are horribly misused (perhaps using a lamp cord to connect your electric oven to the outlet isn't a good idea).