What the hell is wrong with kids these days?!?

Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Puma, as in cat or new shoes? Smudging someone's new shoes used to be the traditional response to seeing them.

OTOH, the new kids often got a swirley or a wedgie, too. Imagine finding out the hard way that the new kid is "going commando".
It's from a Chris Rock sketch.

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jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
In response to topic, the parents. Simple.
To some extent, but that does not explain our oldest son. Both boys were raised the same, but one chooses to surround himself with losers the other does not.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
In response to topic, the parents. Simple.
You never knew great parents who had turd kids? They're all over. I suspect many of these kids are in our government now.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
To some extent, but that does not explain our oldest son. Both boys were raised the same, but one chooses to surround himself with losers the other does not.
Sometime kids have to learn the hard way. It's hard to watch, but sometimes you've got to let them fall before they learn to stand.

I think kids will turn out okay.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Lots of good ideas here.

One that keeps coming up recurrently is the parents. But there have been bad parents since the dawn of time. I knew kids that had alcoholic, abusive parents, and they had their issues to be sure, but none of them, (that I know of), tried to kill anyone. Another girl I grew up with had "pillar of the community" parents, her father was a police captain, and she was a complete whore.

My point is, that I don't think that social dynamics between parents and children and children and their peers have fundamentally changed. Kids will always get picked on and kids will always have bad parents. But what has happened in this last couple of decades, that drives children to murder?
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Lots of good ideas here.

One that keeps coming up recurrently is the parents. But there have been bad parents since the dawn of time. I knew kids that had alcoholic, abusive parents, and they had their issues to be sure, but none of them, (that I know of), tried to kill anyone. Another girl I grew up with had "pillar of the community" parents, her father was a police captain, and she was a complete whore.

My point is, that I don't think that social dynamics between parents and children and children and their peers have fundamentally changed. Kids will always get picked on and kids will always have bad parents. But what has happened in this last couple of decades, that drives children to murder?
Our perception of people isn't the same as the perspective of the members of these families. If a parent is strict publicly, I suspect they're more strict privately. A friend from the time I was about 4 hung out with the Greasers when we were in high school and got in a fair amount of trouble. Drinking, drug use, he had a party when the parents were out of town and when a neighbor called the parents about the noise, he said "Make the call", meaning call the police. They busted up the party, found underaged drinking, drugs and hauled the kid off. His sister was the model straight A student, cheerleader, good girl type as far as I know and I don't remember her ever being in any kind of trouble. BTW- the dad joined the local PD in 1960 and he was the Captain at the time of this party. A friend of the son decided to do some snooping while everyone else was in the basement, so he went into the parents' bedroom and found one of the dad's service revolvers, so he took it, eventually using it in a robbery. To make matters worse, when it looked like he was in deeper than he could get out of, the friend of the cop's son blew his brains out on a park bench with that service revolver.

The parents married VERY young, had kids VERY young and had some loud fights. They didn't seem to care if anyone heard them, either. One day, a lamp flew out the back window and I'm not sure anyone expected them to stay together, but they did. They eventually reached a point where they stopped fighting and have gotten along great ever since. The son seems to have gotten through the rebellious period (it took a long time) and the daughter has parties where they drink an awful lot. The rest of the family is right there, too. Oddly enough, the son eventually moved to PHX and was soon followed by the parents and sister.

I saw them spank the kids and I saw others that didn't. The guy who killed himself was a PITA from the day I met him but his sister was really nice.

If we aren't there to see everything, we can't know who'll be good or bad and it's like any other personality conflict- not everyone gets along but sometimes, it's the parents and kids.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
A friend from the time I was about 4 hung out with the Greasers when we were in high school and got in a fair amount of trouble.
Man, you just dated yourself right there. I don't think I've heard the term "Greaser" since watching The Outsiders. :p
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Man, you just dated yourself right there. I don't think I've heard the term "Greaser" since watching The Outsiders. :p
I was in high school at the tail end. They ALL took metal shop. Fortunately, the metal shop teacher had been in the Marines, and he took crap from nobody. He picked one guy up and put him in the big, stainless sink and turned the water on. The guy went home and told his dad, who was a lawyer and when the dad went to confront the teacher, he only heard, "You have a problem with what I did? Too bad!". 6'-3" of skinny greaser, got in trouble and went home to tell his dad. Real tough guy, I tell ya. From what my dad told me, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
You never knew great parents who had turd kids? They're all over. I suspect many of these kids are in our government now.
Define great. I think that's the biggest problem. There's so much to parenting, I don't think there's a blanket way to define good child rearing.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Define great. I think that's the biggest problem. There's so much to parenting, I don't think there's a blanket way to define good child rearing.
Great parent means, among other things,

>They discipline their kids and teach them the difference between right and wrong.
>They accept the fact that being a parent is one of the biggest sacrifices they can make, yet they try to do it without making the kid(s) think they lost a major part of their life because of it.
>They teach the kids that actions come with consequences and that while doing a good deed may not get a reward, it should be done anyway.
>They're honest with the kids. "Don't do as I do, do as I say" is a bad way to raise kids. If the parent(s) did what they tell the kids not to, explain that they learned the dangers of whatever it is.
>They're willing to admit when they're wrong.
>They're willing to give credit where credit is due and to encourage their kids but also to offer constructive criticism.
 
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newaudiofile

Audioholic
We dont have kids yet. But when we do there will be a whole lot of *** whopping. Moderately of course.

Just yesterday we were talking about this at work. Sometimes my workmate think i'm from the stone age just because I plan to discipline my kids.

One thing my parenets did was made me understand why I needed to be punished. Sometimes I would do something that which I thought will mean punishement but my dad will even though angry will explain to me why what I did was wrong. The remorse alone made me cry. And as I grew the punishement reduced.

In support my wife has always told me "Make sure our kid does not turn out like that brat", pointing to some misbehaving kid.
 

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