N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 13, 2009 #61 I have not heard the 6T's, but I have heard the 5T's. In comparison, the Aperions are muddier through the midrange, losing some details. The bass is strong, but fat and bloated in my opinion. The tweet was pretty decent, but sometimes walked on the side of fatiguing. For the price the Aperions aren't bad at all, but the SongTower's sound better to my ears, as they should since they cost more. For what it's worth, the first time I heard the SongTower's was under blind conditions at CraigSub's home. I didn't even know the ST's were going to be part of the test. Boy was I shocked to learn the speaker I liked the best was one I knew nothing about. Anyway, happy hunting. Reactions: hawkerman
I have not heard the 6T's, but I have heard the 5T's. In comparison, the Aperions are muddier through the midrange, losing some details. The bass is strong, but fat and bloated in my opinion. The tweet was pretty decent, but sometimes walked on the side of fatiguing. For the price the Aperions aren't bad at all, but the SongTower's sound better to my ears, as they should since they cost more. For what it's worth, the first time I heard the SongTower's was under blind conditions at CraigSub's home. I didn't even know the ST's were going to be part of the test. Boy was I shocked to learn the speaker I liked the best was one I knew nothing about. Anyway, happy hunting.
H hawkerman Audioholic Intern May 24, 2007 28 0 0 Aug 13, 2009 #62 Swerd said: ...but of the four speakers you mentioned, the Aperions are in a much lower price category. STs cost about 2½ times more. Click to expand... Actually about 400 dollars more. Axiom M80: 1330 Aperion 6T: 1390 Salk SongTowers: 1795 Paradigm Studio 100v3: around 1800 used on Audiogon But thanks for your input, I will research those threads you mentioned. Last edited: Aug 13, 2009 Reactions: Robof83
Swerd said: ...but of the four speakers you mentioned, the Aperions are in a much lower price category. STs cost about 2½ times more. Click to expand... Actually about 400 dollars more. Axiom M80: 1330 Aperion 6T: 1390 Salk SongTowers: 1795 Paradigm Studio 100v3: around 1800 used on Audiogon But thanks for your input, I will research those threads you mentioned.
R Robof83 Audioholic Feb 5, 2009 203 0 0 Lubbock Tx/Houston Tx Aug 13, 2009 #63 A guy on the AVS forum by the name of funkmonkey compared the songtowers and the studio 100's and preferred the songtowers. The others I have never heard compared to the Songtowers but all of those are excellent choices for the price you listed. Reactions: hawkerman
A guy on the AVS forum by the name of funkmonkey compared the songtowers and the studio 100's and preferred the songtowers. The others I have never heard compared to the Songtowers but all of those are excellent choices for the price you listed.
ozmedia Audioholic Jun 25, 2007 116 0 0 Vancouver BC Canada Aug 13, 2009 #64 Chillax Swerd said: Until we have some reliable third party measurements of both speakers, I'd prefer to stick with the manufacturer's own ratings, conservative or not. RBH says 50-20,000 Hz ±3 dB for the 61-SE/R, and Salk says 42-20,000 Hz ±3 dB for the ST. Click to expand... Chill mate, this isn't a pi$$ing context. You are trying to debate 5Hz between a $1200.00 bookshelf and floorstanding QT's. As I say, everyone has their wn ears and tastes, I'd like to think that in 25 years in the industry I have developed a good ear now. When I eard them A>B there was a noticable improvement with the RBH, and not only in the low end. However, Salk's are a great product, I am sure you feel you got the best deal available and will be more than happy with them . Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy.
Chillax Swerd said: Until we have some reliable third party measurements of both speakers, I'd prefer to stick with the manufacturer's own ratings, conservative or not. RBH says 50-20,000 Hz ±3 dB for the 61-SE/R, and Salk says 42-20,000 Hz ±3 dB for the ST. Click to expand... Chill mate, this isn't a pi$$ing context. You are trying to debate 5Hz between a $1200.00 bookshelf and floorstanding QT's. As I say, everyone has their wn ears and tastes, I'd like to think that in 25 years in the industry I have developed a good ear now. When I eard them A>B there was a noticable improvement with the RBH, and not only in the low end. However, Salk's are a great product, I am sure you feel you got the best deal available and will be more than happy with them . Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy.
ozmedia Audioholic Jun 25, 2007 116 0 0 Vancouver BC Canada Aug 13, 2009 #65 Matt34 said: Audiophilequidator has them for $1200. http://www.audiophileliquidator.net/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=45&products_id=2539 Click to expand... They used the base 61-SE photo though, normal tweets and no phase plugs.
Matt34 said: Audiophilequidator has them for $1200. http://www.audiophileliquidator.net/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=45&products_id=2539 Click to expand... They used the base 61-SE photo though, normal tweets and no phase plugs.
N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 13, 2009 #66 ozmedia said: Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy. Click to expand... You just condemned yourself with that statement, proving even you believe you cannot get passed your own biases. Your supposed 25 years in the industry is meaningless. This isn't a pissing contest? Really? Then why do you come into a specific brands thread and start one? Take your RBH fanboyism somewhere else, like an RBH specific thread. Reactions: bandphan
ozmedia said: Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy. Click to expand... You just condemned yourself with that statement, proving even you believe you cannot get passed your own biases. Your supposed 25 years in the industry is meaningless. This isn't a pissing contest? Really? Then why do you come into a specific brands thread and start one? Take your RBH fanboyism somewhere else, like an RBH specific thread.
ozmedia Audioholic Jun 25, 2007 116 0 0 Vancouver BC Canada Aug 13, 2009 #67 Settle Swerd said: Better yet, why not start your own thread instead of trying to disparage the SongTowers in this thread? Click to expand... Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything, I offered an opinion based on personal listening experience, if that is not the intent of this website then I apologize but it seems to be the norm around here. The TK-5C's? I JUST sold a pair to a guy I met at a trade show for $550.00 You think that it was a FAIR comparison? You feel somehow redeemed that your Salk's outperformed an entry level model, by a narrow margin? I used the comparison loosely and said I would even put a pair up against a Salk, for the price i think they do very well too. As for promotion, I am not here to promote, I cannot deal with people here, I do not sell on a retail level or to end users. I also don't sell into the USA, so that's a moot point. You're just getting a little defensive. You bought new speakers and offered an excellent review, I simply added a comparison I had heard with them too, without knocking or saying anything negative about Salk at all. Enjoy.
Settle Swerd said: Better yet, why not start your own thread instead of trying to disparage the SongTowers in this thread? Click to expand... Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything, I offered an opinion based on personal listening experience, if that is not the intent of this website then I apologize but it seems to be the norm around here. The TK-5C's? I JUST sold a pair to a guy I met at a trade show for $550.00 You think that it was a FAIR comparison? You feel somehow redeemed that your Salk's outperformed an entry level model, by a narrow margin? I used the comparison loosely and said I would even put a pair up against a Salk, for the price i think they do very well too. As for promotion, I am not here to promote, I cannot deal with people here, I do not sell on a retail level or to end users. I also don't sell into the USA, so that's a moot point. You're just getting a little defensive. You bought new speakers and offered an excellent review, I simply added a comparison I had heard with them too, without knocking or saying anything negative about Salk at all. Enjoy.
N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 13, 2009 #68 ozmedia said: You're just getting a little defensive. You bought new speakers and offered an excellent review, I simply added a comparison I had heard with them too, without knocking or saying anything negative about Salk at all. Click to expand... ozmedia said: Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything... Click to expand... Ah, yeah, you did. Are you really that naive? We're just going to ignore you from this point on. Feel free to continue the one-sided, meaningless, unproven conversation if you'd like, though.
ozmedia said: You're just getting a little defensive. You bought new speakers and offered an excellent review, I simply added a comparison I had heard with them too, without knocking or saying anything negative about Salk at all. Click to expand... ozmedia said: Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything... Click to expand... Ah, yeah, you did. Are you really that naive? We're just going to ignore you from this point on. Feel free to continue the one-sided, meaningless, unproven conversation if you'd like, though.
S scattershot Audioholic Aug 12, 2009 109 0 18 Aug 13, 2009 #69 Really? Thought it was the opposite...
R Robof83 Audioholic Feb 5, 2009 203 0 0 Lubbock Tx/Houston Tx Aug 13, 2009 #70 ozmedia said: Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy. Click to expand... Exactly why no one really believes you.
ozmedia said: Regardless of what anyone says, you will hear exactly what you believe you will hear from whatever you buy. Click to expand... Exactly why no one really believes you.
R Robof83 Audioholic Feb 5, 2009 203 0 0 Lubbock Tx/Houston Tx Aug 13, 2009 #71 Nuance AH said: Ah, yeah, you did. Are you really that naive? We're just going to ignore you from this point on. Feel free to continue the one-sided, meaningless, unproven conversation if you'd like, though. Click to expand... I think this is a good idea, no need to feed the troll. He was obviously just trying to promote his own product.
Nuance AH said: Ah, yeah, you did. Are you really that naive? We're just going to ignore you from this point on. Feel free to continue the one-sided, meaningless, unproven conversation if you'd like, though. Click to expand... I think this is a good idea, no need to feed the troll. He was obviously just trying to promote his own product.
F fredk Audioholic General Jan 19, 2008 1,290 0 0 Aug 13, 2009 #72 Swerd said: Look for posts in this thread from BoB/335 for a SongTower - Axiom M80 comparison. He also posted on Audiocircles, where there is a dedicated Salk Speaker forum. Search for posts there under the same moniker. Click to expand... I would take Bobs comparo with a grain of salt. Bob was a strange bird. I would love to give the Songtowers a listen. The have generated a lot of buzz and I expect that they are a very good speaker.
Swerd said: Look for posts in this thread from BoB/335 for a SongTower - Axiom M80 comparison. He also posted on Audiocircles, where there is a dedicated Salk Speaker forum. Search for posts there under the same moniker. Click to expand... I would take Bobs comparo with a grain of salt. Bob was a strange bird. I would love to give the Songtowers a listen. The have generated a lot of buzz and I expect that they are a very good speaker.
N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 13, 2009 #73 Robof83 said: A guy on the AVS forum by the name of funkmonkey compared the songtowers and the studio 100's and preferred the songtowers. The others I have never heard compared to the Songtowers but all of those are excellent choices for the price you listed. Click to expand... Ah yes, that's right; he did hear a pair. He's a really good guy and went through an exhaustive search to find his ideal speakers. Definitely check out his thread (click here). Good call, Robof83!
Robof83 said: A guy on the AVS forum by the name of funkmonkey compared the songtowers and the studio 100's and preferred the songtowers. The others I have never heard compared to the Songtowers but all of those are excellent choices for the price you listed. Click to expand... Ah yes, that's right; he did hear a pair. He's a really good guy and went through an exhaustive search to find his ideal speakers. Definitely check out his thread (click here). Good call, Robof83!
R Robof83 Audioholic Feb 5, 2009 203 0 0 Lubbock Tx/Houston Tx Aug 14, 2009 #74 I remember reading another thread that even involved a blind speaker shootout where the author purchased the songtowers(I think). Although I don't own the Songtowers and don't ever really plan to, they are a speaker that I most certainly wan't to here if merely for a frame of reference.
I remember reading another thread that even involved a blind speaker shootout where the author purchased the songtowers(I think). Although I don't own the Songtowers and don't ever really plan to, they are a speaker that I most certainly wan't to here if merely for a frame of reference.
Swerd Audioholic Warlord Sep 3, 2004 9,610 0 113 Aug 14, 2009 #75 hawkerman said: Actually about 400 dollars more. Axiom M80: 1330 Aperion 6T: 1390 Salk SongTowers: 1795 Paradigm Studio 100v3: around 1800 used on Audiogon But thanks for your input, I will research those threads you mentioned. Click to expand... Sorry, I misread that as $695 per pair when it really was $695 each. Thanks for the correction.
hawkerman said: Actually about 400 dollars more. Axiom M80: 1330 Aperion 6T: 1390 Salk SongTowers: 1795 Paradigm Studio 100v3: around 1800 used on Audiogon But thanks for your input, I will research those threads you mentioned. Click to expand... Sorry, I misread that as $695 per pair when it really was $695 each. Thanks for the correction.
bandphan Banned Dec 13, 2007 6,619 0 0 56 in a haze Aug 14, 2009 #76 ozmedia said: Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything, I offered an opinion based on personal listening experience, if that is not the intent of this website then I apologize but it seems to be the norm around here. Click to expand... But why are you offering an opinion in a thread that isnt looking for one, other than self promotion as mentioned. Hope you enjoy you speakers for many years to come, just dont be closed minded and a fanboy fanatic as to iritate others Nauance suggested starting an RBH thread and I concur
ozmedia said: Nobody is trying to "disparage" anything, I offered an opinion based on personal listening experience, if that is not the intent of this website then I apologize but it seems to be the norm around here. Click to expand... But why are you offering an opinion in a thread that isnt looking for one, other than self promotion as mentioned. Hope you enjoy you speakers for many years to come, just dont be closed minded and a fanboy fanatic as to iritate others Nauance suggested starting an RBH thread and I concur
Swerd Audioholic Warlord Sep 3, 2004 9,610 0 113 Aug 14, 2009 #77 fredk said: I would love to give the Songtowers a listen. The have generated a lot of buzz and I expect that they are a very good speaker. Click to expand... Fred You're welcome to come listen to my STs. I don't care whether you are seriously shopping or just curious. I'm in Gaithersburg, Md., not far outside Washington, DC. Send a PM if you want to set up a visit. If I'm too far away for that, there is an Owner's Audition list on the Audiocircles Salk forum. Most Salk owners realize that accosting strangers on the street is a bit weird, but are more than happy to demo their speakers to someone who contacts them.
fredk said: I would love to give the Songtowers a listen. The have generated a lot of buzz and I expect that they are a very good speaker. Click to expand... Fred You're welcome to come listen to my STs. I don't care whether you are seriously shopping or just curious. I'm in Gaithersburg, Md., not far outside Washington, DC. Send a PM if you want to set up a visit. If I'm too far away for that, there is an Owner's Audition list on the Audiocircles Salk forum. Most Salk owners realize that accosting strangers on the street is a bit weird, but are more than happy to demo their speakers to someone who contacts them.
N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 14, 2009 #78 Robof83 said: I remember reading another thread that even involved a blind speaker shootout where the author purchased the songtowers(I think). Click to expand... That would probably be me (thread linked in my sig). If it was someone else - cool.
Robof83 said: I remember reading another thread that even involved a blind speaker shootout where the author purchased the songtowers(I think). Click to expand... That would probably be me (thread linked in my sig). If it was someone else - cool.
R Robof83 Audioholic Feb 5, 2009 203 0 0 Lubbock Tx/Houston Tx Aug 14, 2009 #79 Did your thread have 8 or so auditions?
N Nuance AH Audioholic General Aug 29, 2008 1,085 0 0 Wisconsin Aug 14, 2009 #80 Robof83 said: Did your thread have 8 or so auditions? Click to expand... Yeah, sounds like mine. Is it the thread over at AVS Forum? I had more than 8 auditions (a lot more), but many were previous to the thread bring started, and many I just didn't bother noting. I guess I kind of chose the speakers I knew people would be interesting in hearing about. Anyway, it was a great time, but after 2+ years of looking I am glad the journey is finally over.
Robof83 said: Did your thread have 8 or so auditions? Click to expand... Yeah, sounds like mine. Is it the thread over at AVS Forum? I had more than 8 auditions (a lot more), but many were previous to the thread bring started, and many I just didn't bother noting. I guess I kind of chose the speakers I knew people would be interesting in hearing about. Anyway, it was a great time, but after 2+ years of looking I am glad the journey is finally over.
