The government takes first steps to the "Turn in your neighbor" policy

gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
We're all so very screwed.:eek:

We are on a tiny raft, heading to the rapids. Some fool sold off our ores for a few nice rocks to put in our pockets.

Could someone let me off near shore?
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I respectfully disagree.

We're all so very screwed.:eek:

We are on a tiny raft, heading to the rapids. Some fool sold off our ores for a few nice rocks to put in our pockets.

Could someone let me off near shore?
We've still got plenty of ores in Washington and we voted each of them in.

What's that? Waddaya mean I spelled that wrong????

Oh... never mind.
 
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Schupo

Banned
Any resident (rightfully or illegally so), insured or uninsured, with or without money, may obtain medical care at any hospital at any time.
Is this a joke? My aunt is $2100 in medical debt because of a single procedure (which normally costs $4200, but because her health insurance wouldn't own up to their claim of a $1000 deductible, she was only covered for $97 for a 5 hour procedure). Show me how she can get out of that debt and she'll appreciate it.

Here's another question you can ask yourself, Schupo. Why is it that we can have competitive auto and home owners/renters insurance but not medical insurance? Why is that? You have a choice of insurance companies COMPETING for your business when you insure an automobile. Competition ensures lower prices. But you most certainly do not have that right with health insurance.
Again, what? I have different health insurance than my aunt and uncle, and they live in the same state as I. What are you talking about?

Are medical insurance rates sky high? You betcha! Now go ask yourself why, when yet another amendment was proposed to the House bill that made medical insuring a competitive-cross state lines process, that again you had unanymous "No" votes from the democrats.
Cite this bill and the voting record?
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
Is this a joke? My aunt is $2100 in medical debt because of a single procedure (which normally costs $4200, but because her health insurance wouldn't own up to their claim of a $1000 deductible, she was only covered for $97 for a 5 hour procedure). Show me how she can get out of that debt and she'll appreciate it.



Again, what? I have different health insurance than my aunt and uncle, and they live in the same state as I. What are you talking about?



Cite this bill and the voting record?
1. Joke? Read what I said. Anyone who wants healthcare can get it. Your aunt got it. What I said needed control was costs. That's part of the problem your aunt has. You were the one whining about millions of people not able to get healthcare. I corrected that misinformation by saying that we already have universal healthcare. Do you understand the difference?

2. I didn't say ONE insurance company. I said competition wasn't allowed beyond a federally approved, restricted number of health insuring companies. Any licensed insurance company can compete for your home owner insurance, as an example. That is NOT true with health insurance. Open competition means lower prices...but it's not allowed by congressional fiat.

3. You already have shown an addiction to generalization which begs for correcting and details. If you want to know the truth and complete picture of things, try investigating them yourself. Watch CSPAN, read the congressional record, read all the news sources that you can. I'm not going to feed you data that you ignore anyway and take issue with because of your misreading of posts. My point is that you (and everyone) should be a more educated citizen and voter...especially before dismissing posts here with sweeping (and inaccurate) generalizations.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
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This may be true of most politicians in Congress...Republican and Democrat. Check this out from a writer for the Orlando Sentinel, Charlie Reese. It's an interesting take.....
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545 vs. 300,000,000


545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
SAre medical insurance rates sky high? You betcha! Now go ask yourself why, when yet another amendment was proposed to the House bill that made medical insuring a competitive-cross state lines process, that again you had unanymous "No" votes from the democrats.
Wait, wait... I know this one.:p

The reason this amendment was voted down was because it keep insurance companies from all moving to a state that has very lax regulations.

Like the way most if not all of your credit cards are issued from banks in Delaware. This is because Delaware has the most lax state regulations on credit and banking.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
$3T at the department of Bush Sr. At Clinton's departure, roughly $5T. And at GWB's departure, a whopping $10T. $10T minus $5T equals $5T GWB and his conservative party burnt. I doubt Obama will even approach that number in 8 years. His healthcare plan will total roughly $1T over ten years without taking on new debt which we all know is BS. It will likely add $500 billion or so to the debt over 10 years. As for the stimulus, even if all of it is spent, that's another $800 billion. I'm sure they'll be other projects, but those two are the largest we'll see from Obama and they don't even reach $2T.
Yeah, he is throwing in some big numbers, but, not George Bush numbers.

I'm concerned by the spending, but I can't say I understand why people are so up in arms by it now rather than when GWB was sitting in office doing /nothing/ about the economy and spending MORE in that time period on war crap that just bred another generation of kids that will be trying to fly airplanes into our buildings.

Also, these numbers aren't exactly foreign, he said he was going to spend in the election.

Again, I'd rather we slow the spending, but, I'll take a slowed rate of descent rather than a nose dive any day of the week.

I mean, if were gunna go broke, I'd rather get some stuff out of it here than just a bunch of spent cartridges and dead american soldiers. Maybe if half that 10 trillion would have gone into America instead we could have things like real border protection, real airport security, and roads that don't suck.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
We've still got plenty of ores in Washington and we voted each of them in.

What's that? Waddaya mean I spelled that wrong????

Oh... never mind.
You forget the apostrophe? I think it would be 'ores, right? Sleazy 'ores!
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Yeah, he is throwing in some big numbers, but, not George Bush numbers.

I'm concerned by the spending, but I can't say I understand why people are so up in arms by it now rather than when GWB was sitting in office doing /nothing/ about the economy and spending MORE in that time period on war crap that just bred another generation of kids that will be trying to fly airplanes into our buildings.

Also, these numbers aren't exactly foreign, he said he was going to spend in the election.

Again, I'd rather we slow the spending, but, I'll take a slowed rate of descent rather than a nose dive any day of the week.

I mean, if were gunna go broke, I'd rather get some stuff out of it here than just a bunch of spent cartridges and dead american soldiers. Maybe if half that 10 trillion would have gone into America instead we could have things like real border protection, real airport security, and roads that don't suck.
It took years for Bush to spend as much as Obama has in less than 8 months. Wait for it.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
It took years for Bush to spend as much as Obama has in less than 8 months. Wait for it.
Heh, okay, true.

But, the economy seems to be doing a bit better on my non-scientific scale...

Work is getting more orders, stock market is up, housing is better around here (although still pretty screwed, but, not deadlocked).
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
White House pulled the plug on the program, emails being bounced back:D
 
basspig

basspig

Full Audioholic
Because Congress already gets great health care, while so many in our country have to choose between putting food on the table and paying their medical bills. This health care is NOT MANDATORY. If you like your health care (as those in Congress do), then you don't opt into it.
People need to remember that healthcare is not a right. Nor is food, water or shelter. These things are the product of some productive person's efforts. They do not grow on trees and are not the product of some diety, who hands them out to all who need.

The important question to ask is whether the provision of any "benefit" comes at the expense of any individual's rights.
 
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