Don't know what to say...very sad.

[Rickster71]

Baby decapitated by mother:
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/07/26/the-devil-made-otty-sanchez-kill-her-baby/
Believe it or not, it gets worse.

 

[highfigh]

Most states have a 'safe haven' program, where unwanted babies can be left at hospitals. I'm not sure if people don't know about it, they're just that far from reality, people are just that stupid or what, but I'm seeing too many reports of this kind of thing to believe everyone should be allowed to reproduce. How she became that detached from reality, I don't know but I have to think some sign of it would have been apparent before, or she started showing some symptom of depression/schitzophrenia after the baby's birth.

Where's the dad? Why don't more parents persuade their kids to give the baby up when they're clearly not going to be capable of caring for it properly?

Oh, yeah- too many prospective grandparents became parents far too early and weren't capable, themselves.



I'm not in favor of abortion as a matter of convenience and I don't want the government to be able to swoop in to decide what happens to someone's fetus or child, but at some point, friends and family have to step up and tell child services (or whatever organization is in the area) that a pregnant woman/mother is acting oddly, doing drugs/drinking/smoking while pregnant and serious doubts exist about their apparent lack of ability to care for themselves, let alone a baby. This goes for the baby's father, husband or boyfriend of the pregnant woman/mother, too- so many guys get all pissed off when the baby won't stop crying and start shaking it, or worse. These people are often very uneducated, had bad family histories and frequently a history of serious drug/alcohol abuse. I hate to think that it's just a sign of the times but it sure seems like a side effect of our society.

 

[TLS Guy]

Baby decapitated by mother:
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2009/07/26/the-devil-made-otty-sanchez-kill-her-baby/
Believe it or not, it gets worse.

Unfortunately this sounds like one of those cases of untreated schizophrenia.

Throughout out my career the mental health commitment laws were gutted, treatment facilities underfunded and closed, state mental hospitals closed and community psychiatric outreach gutted.

To make matters worse the legal profession and judges have become increasingly ignorant on the mental health arena, and followed a bunch of sap from civil rights activists.

Thirty years ago it was relatively easy to have a mental health hearing, present the facts and convince a judge a patient needed committing for treatment. Now it almost certainly a waste of time.

So now we have individuals in the community who should not be, on the streets in homeless shelters and now in increasing numbers in nursing homes, were they do not belong. In nursing homes they are in fact terrorizing and harming vulnerable elderly.

The solutions are to have lawyers and judges trained in the mental health area, like they used to be, or get the legal profession out of the mental health area and leave it to the medical community to decide who needs commitment.

We need to fund mental health programs, and we do need facilities for the chronically mentally ill.

Just to illustrate how difficult things are, a University student and part time employee of my daughter developed some scary mental health issues within the last year. He even achieved some notoriety in the local media.

I first arranged for intervention through student health. They acted in a highly inappropriate manner, and sent him the the university hospital emergency room. They discharged home and told him to report to the busy emergency room of the only level 1 trauma center in the area.

It took me two days of really running a lawn mower over the asses of the county mental health personnel, to achieve an appropriate intervention.

So yes, I bet that intanticide case did come to attention, but everybody dropped the ball or couldn't care less.

These horror stories are getting worse and will continue to get worse, if we don't get back to standards of 30 years ago and improve on them.

 

[lsiberian]

Unfortunately this sounds like one of those cases of untreated schizophrenia.

Throughout out my career the mental health commitment laws were gutted, treatment facilities underfunded and closed, state mental hospitals closed and community psychiatric outreach gutted.

To make matters worse the legal profession and judges have become increasingly ignorant on the mental health arena, and followed a bunch of sap from civil rights activists.

Thirty years ago it was relatively easy to have a mental health hearing, present the facts and convince a judge a patient needed committing for treatment. Now it almost certainly a waste of time.

So now we have individuals in the community who should not be, on the streets in homeless shelters and now in increasing numbers in nursing homes, were they do not belong. In nursing homes they are in fact terrorizing and harming vulnerable elderly.

The solutions are to have lawyers and judges trained in the mental health area, like they used to be, or get the legal profession out of the mental health area and leave it to the medical community to decide who needs commitment.

We need to fund mental health programs, and we do need facilities for the chronically mentally ill.

Just to illustrate how difficult things are, a University student and part time employee of my daughter developed some scary mental health issues within the last year. He even achieved some notoriety in the local media.

I first arranged for intervention through student health. They acted in a highly inappropriate manner, and sent him the the university hospital emergency room. They discharged home and told him to report to the busy emergency room of the only level 1 trauma center in the area.

It took me two days of really running a lawn mower over the asses of the county mental health personnel, to achieve an appropriate intervention.

So yes, I bet that intanticide case did come to attention, but everybody dropped the ball or couldn't care less.

These horror stories are getting worse and will continue to get worse, if we don't get back to standards of 30 years ago and improve on them.

Agreed. We need better for these people. It took them over 5 years to figure out what was wrong with me as a kid. Imagine if they had gotten me help much sooner. I'm thankful for the help I did get and now I live a fairly normal life. We need to help these people. We need to improve health care too.

 

[highfigh]

I think it's high time people pulled their heads out of the sand and admitted that their child, parent, friend, relative or other acquaintance needs help. Nobody wants them to be classified as crazy, deranged, a whack-job, mentally ill or any other term but at least people would get some help. Then, they may have some peace for themselves and others won't bear the brunt of their illness.

Unfortunately, I have known far too many people who committed suicide or were murdered and while all had gone through hard times, may have been in trouble or were troublemakers, their deaths came as a surprise to me. I hadn't seen or talked with any of them immediately prior to them taking their own lives but really didn't see it coming. All had seen their situation as something they couldn't get out of in any other way, so they dealt with it the only way they thought they could. I have known others who went through much harder times, for much longer periods and while they may have had their issues, they didn't resort to this. Everyone has their own tolerance, though.

TLS- is there a way that some kind of mental illness awareness could be taught in high schools, effectively? Even if it's a basic program, it could help.

 

[rnatalli]

Even if awareness is better, the drugs to keep mental illness under control are often expensive. Very sad this story...

 

[highfigh]

Even if awareness is better, the drugs to keep mental illness under control are often expensive. Very sad this story...

They are but there are lots of people who still get them. IMO, as long as someone actually notices the problems, there's a little more hope for treatment.

 

[TLS Guy]

I think it's high time people pulled their heads out of the sand and admitted that their child, parent, friend, relative or other acquaintance needs help. Nobody wants them to be classified as crazy, deranged, a whack-job, mentally ill or any other term but at least people would get some help. Then, they may have some peace for themselves and others won't bear the brunt of their illness.

Unfortunately, I have known far too many people who committed suicide or were murdered and while all had gone through hard times, may have been in trouble or were troublemakers, their deaths came as a surprise to me. I hadn't seen or talked with any of them immediately prior to them taking their own lives but really didn't see it coming. All had seen their situation as something they couldn't get out of in any other way, so they dealt with it the only way they thought they could. I have known others who went through much harder times, for much longer periods and while they may have had their issues, they didn't resort to this. Everyone has their own tolerance, though.

TLS- is there a way that some kind of mental illness awareness could be taught in high schools, effectively? Even if it's a basic program, it could help.

At least in our school system it was taught. However, it is the lawyers and judges who need the most educational intervention.

In the most dangerous psychotic situations, the patient has no insight. So to them everyone else is crazy. Without legal meat hooks into the patient, it is impossible for families and staff to get meaningful intervention, far more often than not. In my experience judges of today will not enter a treatment order unless a patient has already done something dreadful. When that happens, very often the penal system gets involved. The penal system has even less insight into mental health issues.

This is an issue that rally needs a good public debate. When you add lack of resources you have the essence of the problem.

 

[Swerd]

The way this country ignores the mentally ill should be a source of national shame. TLS's description of how this came about hits the nail on the head. I remember in the early 1980s, the shocking number of seriously mentally ill people who suddenly appeared homeless on city streets. Most of them were "liberated" from tax supported mental institutions as the funds dried up and the institutions closed. No adequate alternative treatment or living arrangements were offered.

It will take a major political redirection for this country to change course.

 

[STRONGBADF1]

The way this country ignores the mentally ill should be a source of national shame. TLS's description of how this came about hits the nail on the head. I remember in the early 1980s, the shocking number of seriously mentally ill people who suddenly appeared homeless on city streets. Most of them were "liberated" from tax supported mental institutions as the funds dried up and the institutions closed. No adequate alternative treatment or living arrangements were offered.

It will take a major political redirection for this country to change course.

Yep. I grew up in a rural setting probably 1/4 from a state mental facility. We had the corner lot on the main road. We were the bus stop. There's lots of different levels of mental illness. Some patients came and went during the day and others were locked in rooms. In the 80's funding stopped. If they were there under court order they got transferred to another facility. If they were self or family committed had to find another place on there own or go home with family. If family didn't want them they went on the street. There were an awful lot on the street.

It was sad to see happen.

I have some insight to the mental heath system as my oldest brother is mentally ill. The system could use a lot of help.

 

[highfigh]

At least in our school system it was taught. However, it is the lawyers and judges who need the most educational intervention.

In the most dangerous psychotic situations, the patient has no insight. So to them everyone else is crazy. Without legal meat hooks into the patient, it is impossible for families and staff to get meaningful intervention, far more often than not. In my experience judges of today will not enter a treatment order unless a patient has already done something dreadful. When that happens, very often the penal system gets involved. The penal system has even less insight into mental health issues.

This is an issue that rally needs a good public debate. When you add lack of resources you have the essence of the problem.

Yet, a person who has committed awful crimes often has no trouble being classified as "unfit to stand trial". Hmmm. Too bad they can't do that before the crimes. Not as a means to just get people off of the streets when society deems them unacceptable but when they really need help.

 

[highfigh]

This just in- she had already been diagnosed with post-partum psychosis. Someone just didn't want to be the one to separate her from the baby, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_decapitated

Why is it that so many claim The Devil told them to do what they did? Audio/Visual hallucinations? I'd like to know.

 

[lsiberian]

This just in- she had already been diagnosed with post-partum psychosis. Someone just didn't want to be the one to separate her from the baby, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_decapitated

Why is it that so many claim The Devil told them to do what they did? Audio/Visual hallucinations? I'd like to know.

It's actually pretty easy to believe that sort of thing. When a person is disturbed they have a strong connection with the demonic so to speak. In my time I've seen some crazy stuff. Thankfully nothing as bad as this. A lot of folks can be helped, but we have to be willing.

 

[highfigh]

I guess, when the brain's chemistry is too far out of whack, people can see all kinds of things. Seems that her family wasn't keeping close watch on her.

 

[mazersteven]

Stories like this really test your faith in religion. At least with me.

Luck I was not the first officer to arrive on this scene. I don't know how I would have "Not" been able to put 6 into her center mass. I think I would make the mental determination that my career as an officer would be over. I don't know if I could separate myself from being a professional police officer or a Vigilante (Judge, Jury, and Executioner) in this situation.

 

[rnatalli]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/29/baby_taken_from_womb_found_alive/

Here's a story from my neck of the woods.

 

[mazersteven]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/29/baby_taken_from_womb_found_alive/

Here's a story from my neck of the woods.

As sick as this story is. IMO it pales in comparison with the original story.

 

[TLS Guy]

Stories like this really test your faith in religion. At least with me.

Luck I was not the first officer to arrive on this scene. I don't know how I would have "Not" been able to put 6 into her center mass. I think I would make the mental determination that my career as an officer would be over. I don't know if I could separate myself from being a professional police officer or a Vigilante (Judge, Jury, and Executioner) in this situation.

If you wouldn't kill a woman with heart failure, why would you kill one with brain failure?

 

[jamie2112]

I didnt even read them cause it sounded to horrible..........what a shame and very sad indeed.

 

[mazersteven]

If you wouldn't kill a woman with heart failure, why would you kill one with brain failure?

IMO that women doesn't need to be walking this earth. She's a FKing animal.

Society doesn't need to spend (who nows how much money) on this women to sit in prison for years before the death penalty is carried out.

Or juries finding the women not guilty by reason of insanity? Place her in a psychiatric hospital, held in the institution until they are determined not to be a threat?