Sony XDRF1HD Tuner - Where Are They?

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Audioholic Warlord
I've been searching for one of these tuners and both SonyStyle.com and Crutchfield.com are out of stock, with no indication of when more will arrive. I located a used one at Amazon.com, with a price of $260!! That's a bit odd, since they retail for $100!:confused: Are they out of production? Is there such a demand that retailers can't keep them in stock? Anybody out there know what the deal is?
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
Almost everyone has them on backorder. I guess this was a popular unit.....the guy on Amazon is on crack for $249....
 
M

miami

Audiophyte
Still, no one has any scoopage on this item? Out of stock everywhere, and the last couple on eBay went for $150-$170 (vs. $100 MSRP).

I can't imagine why Sony would tolerate this interruption, they're bound to be losing money literally daily as people tire of waiting for this and just buy something else instead.

I saw a couple of places listing June dates for restocking these -- Does anyone know whether there's some reason to actually expect them to arrive on our shores then, or are these dates just the retailers' wishful thinking?

I assume this is a worldwide shortage of this model, but might it be more available in Canada or wherever?

It's a bit odd that this would sell out, as HD Radio generally seems to be the Rodney Dangerfield of the US media world.

If anyone discovers any (existing or restocked) inventory, I'd muchly 'preciate a heads-up PM or email - TIA!
 
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I can tell you for certain, that there are none for sale in Canada (at any retailer, at least), as they've never been imported here. I don't know of any HD stations in Canada - I guess that's why Sony never bothered to bring them here. I wanted to get one because the analog performance is supposed to be excellent, in addition to HD. The asking price helped as well. A potential sale has been lost, because I've ordered a tuner by another manufacturer. It'll cost me a lot more, but I don't really have much choice if there aren't any of the Sonys available...:(
 
M

miami

Audiophyte
I can tell you for certain, that there are none for sale in Canada (at any retailer, at least), as they've never been imported here. I don't know of any HD stations in Canada - I guess that's why Sony never bothered to bring them here.
OK - Thanks for the Canada info.

One site (Crutchfield maybe?) showed an anticipated June 17 arrival, others simply say 'End of June.' I went ahead and put in my 'pre-order' for a unit, from a concern that they'll sell out again pronto whenever they do arrive.

If anyone knows more, or finds 'em (or even can explain this current shortage), please speak right up! I expect that for now I'm gonna wait for this to be restocked rather than hunt for something else - But I'm not gonna wait forever!
 
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Well, I picked up my new tuner yesterday. It's a NAD C425. Since I was not able to get the Sony, I looked the NAD, Yamaha TX497 and Cambridge Audio 340T. I couldn't find any reviews that would cause me to lean towards any particular model, so it came down to features and price. The Yamaha was the least expensive, the other two were at equal prices. The Yamaha didn't come with a remote control - I guess it's assumed that you'll be using other Yamaha components. I didn't want to go out and buy another universal remote - that would negate any savings I would've acheived in purchasing the Yamaha. The NAD has RDS and is compatible with my C372, so that settled it.

I've connected it to my stereo system and the first thing that jumped out at me was that this sucker is sensitive! I was getting very good reception before I attached the antenna - I've never seen that before! Any other radio or receiver AM/FM tuner I've used before had to have an antenna attached before I got a signal at all. I'm happy so far...
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Way to do with NAD tuner.

GO-NAD GO!

Way to go! This is great news coming from a NAD fan (NAD tuner). ;)

And as for the Sony tuner... I don't particularly care for the company.

I got tons of Tuners at home. The best ones are the older ones from Marantz, Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer, and also from Magnum Dynalab, Accuphase, Audiolab, Fanfare, Linn, Rotel, Myriad, and a few more esoteric brands.

LOTR
 
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Audioholic Warlord
Thanks! I had read about the Sony's outstanding performance and at such a low price, I didn't think I could go wrong. But since I couldn't find one, I had to look elsewhere. I've only had the tuner for a day, but my first impressions were great. Just curious - why do you have so many tuners? They don't tend to "wear out"...
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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Thanks! I had read about the Sony's outstanding performance and at such a low price, I didn't think I could go wrong. But since I couldn't find one, I had to look elsewhere. I've only had the tuner for a day, but my first impressions were great. Just curious - why do you have so many tuners? They don't tend to "wear out"...
I just love to play with them, fix them, repair them, check their circuits, type of bulbs, their tuning methods, etc.
Plus you can get them for very cheap on second hand stores or the internet.
Tuners last a really long time if you take good care of them by a good maintenance and clean up. The older ones are also much better than the newer ones. Or unless you are willing to pay over $1,000 and up for them. Some even cost in the $3,000 range!

Since I was a little kid, I always been fascinated with Tuners (about 50 years ago).

And I just read almost everything about them.

I know that Sony produced some good ones, but Sony products is out of my territory now, for quite a while.

And I'm not the kind of person waiting for an Emotiva UMC-1 pre/pro audio/video processor or a Sherwood Newcastle R-972 A/V receiver with TRINNOV optimizer. ;)
 
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Audioholic Warlord
So, at C$359 for the C425, do you think I got my money's worth? I never thought of searching for a tuner on-line actually (other than the models I previously mentioned).
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

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So, at C$359 for the C425, do you think I got my money's worth? I never thought of searching for a tuner on-line actually (other than the models I previously mentioned).
To be very honest with you, this is a tough question. Because in my book the true value of a component or a prostitute for that matter is not the money you paid, but what degree of pleasure you got for your money, that is valuable.
 
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How eloquently put.:) The price was in the same range as the others and it seems to work quite well - so I guess I did get my money's worth.:D
 
M

miami

Audiophyte
Tuners last a really long time if you take good care of them by a good maintenance and clean up. The older ones are also much better than the newer ones.
Yeah, if it weren't for the HD-radio angle, I'd probably skip this Sony and hunt eBay/Audiogon/etc. for a high-quality 70's-vintage tuner.

Tuners do seem to be the main exception to the usual electronics pattern of ever-better, ever-cheaper.

Even midgrade tuners (and even tuner sections of receivers, for that matter) from that era seemed to be higher quality than is generally offered today even in higher-end receivers. I assume this is largely a matter of priorities - In the 70's, radio was a much more important source, while today with streaming, networks, media servers, satellite radio, etc., plain ol' garden-variety AM/FM is way down the list. Plus, it's probably consumer-driven too - In the 70's, tuner specs were a major battleground on which the manufacturers competed, while nowadays I doubt too many sales are made or lost on tuner specs.

It is a little surprising though that virtually no receiver manufacturers have yet decided it would pay them to include HD Radio in their units - I would've thought someone would've latched onto that as the feature to set them apart from the competition. HD Radio simply hasn't yet grabbed enough 'mindshare' yet to force that issue, I assume.

Anyone here got any inside line at Sony, and wanna give us some info on when/if we can expect to see this tuner back in stock? Are we gonna see the same model re-stocked, or some 'new and improved' model? It's a little odd that only a year ago HD Radio was offering $50 rebates to move this $100 unit, but already today they bring $170 on eBay.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
How eloquently put.:) The price was in the same range as the others and it seems to work quite well - so I guess I did get my money's worth.:D
You probably did better avoiding the Sony unit. I bought one for evaluation and was less than impressed. The unit runs hot and there is inadequate power supply cooling. The unit was not sensitive as yours seems to be.

The biggest problem was that with an HD and analog signal present, the unit defaulted to HD. This is a defect as analog FM has superior audio quality to FM. HD radio is not a Hi-Fi medium in my view. iBiquity IBOC stands for hybrid digital and not high definition.

The HD signal provides a miserable 96 kbs feed. A good analog tuner will have no difficulty besting that. So HD is only any use for stations broadcasting in HD only. In my area there are no such stations at the moment, all a re simulcast.

I can stream MPR out of the Twin Cities at 128 kbs over the internet, which is also superior to HD. I'm not impressed with the iBiquity IBOC system and do not consider it a tenable replacement for analog FM.
 
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I was wondering why older tuners are supposedly better than newer models?:confused: Are the manufacturers skimping on components? I would've thought that, for stand alone tuners at least, they would've maintained the quality of older models. I can understand them not investing a lot into improving tuner performance, if the return on investment isn't there. But, if a good design already exists, why wouldn't they at least maintain the quality of the previous designs?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I was wondering why older tuners are supposedly better than newer models?:confused: Are the manufacturers skimping on components? I would've thought that, for stand alone tuners at least, they would've maintained the quality of older models. I can understand them not investing a lot into improving tuner performance, if the return on investment isn't there. But, if a good design already exists, why wouldn't they at least maintain the quality of the previous designs?
The sad fact is that the few decent stand alone FM tuners are expensive. Having said that, likely the best of them were produced 20 or more years ago.

Good vintage tuners such as my Quad FM 4 go for a small fortune on eBay.

The reasons are multiple.

The major market for good FM tuners is among those like myself who listen to public radio classical stations. Many large metropolitan areas are rapidly loosing their classical public radio stations. In Minnesota we are fortunate in having the finest service in the country state wide from MPR and American Public Media.

Keeping older designs is not possible. We entered the chip age in the 1970s. The best designs involve PLL chips which were available in the 1980s.

Chip production is so expensive, that only one run is generally done. These have to last the life of the the devices for spares. It is not economically feasible to produce chips dedicated to a new FM radio design for home use, or even set up to produce the boards any longer.

If I were going to do it, I would base it on a car radio tuner. The best FM front ends are now in car radios. I would say that the cheapest way to the best home FM, is now to buy are good car tuner, and build a buy a well regulated DC supply.
 

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