Emptiness in the speakers

[winners76]

Energy RC micro 5.1 sound empty as if the receiver is not driving any power into them. Have a Yamaha RX-V665 receiver. Please help! Center sounds empty even after cranking the volume up to -15db.
DOes it have to do anything with my cable box that is digi coax into the receiver and Rca from the wall for tv signal. DOes the RCA cable cause interference that could cause the hiss or emptiness?

 

[j_garcia]

Have you run the Ypao calibration yet?

 

[lsiberian]

Energy RC micro 5.1 sound empty as if the receiver is not driving any power into them. Have a Yamaha RX-V665 receiver. Please help! Center sounds empty even after cranking the volume up to -15db.
DOes it have to do anything with my cable box that is digi coax into the receiver and Rca from the wall for tv signal. DOes the RCA cable cause interference that could cause the hiss or emptiness?

They are micros not towers or even Bookshelves.

 

[winners76]

J Garcia, no I havent run the YPAO yet and I set parameters manually, does YPAO affect that much?

 

[j_garcia]

J Garcia, no I havent run the YPAO yet and I set parameters manually, does YPAO affect that much?

Yes, the default settings could be way off for your speakers or your room and have a large effect. If the speakers are set to large or have the wrong crossover or something else, you might get poor results. Those speakers are small, but I would not expect them to sound bad. I'd run it and see if it improves any.

 

[winners76]

I have set speakers to Small, No surround hook up yet, making space..Set Cross over to 120khz, Bassout SWFR only.

Do I need to change any setting on my DVD player...playing CD's on them into receiver with Digi Coax.

Also have Cable box with digi coax into receiver....Does the cable box RCA have an issue of interference with the monster speaker wires??
Energy RC's are better sounding speakers than BOse and I am trying to achieve it.

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

The frequency response for those speakers is 150Hz-23kHz. So you might wanna increase that crossover.

 

[j_garcia]

I have set speakers to Small, No surround hook up yet, making space..Set Cross over to 120khz, Bassout SWFR only.

Do I need to change any setting on my DVD player...playing CD's on them into receiver with Digi Coax.

Also have Cable box with digi coax into receiver....Does the cable box RCA have an issue of interference with the monster speaker wires??
Energy RC's are better sounding speakers than BOse and I am trying to achieve it.

For DVDs, make sure the DVD player's digital audio setup is set to bitstream rather than PCM. Are you saying CDs do not sound correct either? Is the bass properly being directed to the sub with them?

150Hz is pretty high for main speakers, but IIRC, Bose cubes are even higher.

 

[Highbar]

What are the options for your bassout? I'm guessing that is for the subout. If it's set to SWFR only it may not be sending the signal from the FR/L to the sub. Since your crossover is at 120Hz if you are missing the mid-bass signal you will be missing alot of audio.

 

[winners76]

Have subout to SWFR only, not BOTH. Set it that way for music specially hip-hop can give an overwhelming midbass into these cubes, dont want to ruin them.

Crossover is at 120khz, may be I need to crank it up to 160khz (max).
Do I need to crank the f/r , center volumes up..

 

[Highbar]

Have subout to SWFR only, not BOTH. Set it that way for music specially hip-hop can give an overwhelming midbass into these cubes, dont want to ruin them.

Crossover is at 120khz, may be I need to crank it up to 160khz (max).
Do I need to crank the f/r , center volumes up..

I'm not sure how Yamaha's are setup but I know that on my old Sony and now Denon that "Both" on the Sony and "LFE + Mains" on the Denon means that is the signals sent to the Sub, not that the Sub signal is going to be sent to the main speakers. As long as you have it set to have sub the sub signal should not be sent to the mains.

I recommend that you take a look at the manual and see if that's how the Yamaha works. If it is than anything that is below the crossover for the mains, 120Hz right now, is just being completely cut out of what you are hearing. You would be missing all the the mid-bass in music and movies and even part of the male vocal spectrum.

I can't find the manual online without registering for Yamahas website or I would look for you.

The higher you move the crossover right now the more you are cutting out. Also make sure that the crossover on you sub is set to the max or turned off. You are using your receiver for bass management.

 

[lsiberian]

Have subout to SWFR only, not BOTH. Set it that way for music specially hip-hop can give an overwhelming midbass into these cubes, dont want to ruin them.

Crossover is at 120khz, may be I need to crank it up to 160khz (max).
Do I need to crank the f/r , center volumes up..

um 120khz? That's out of the audible range for sound.

I suggest a 150hz crossover, I wouldn't use these for music only movies.

But hey that's me. If you want music pick up a pair of Behringer 2030p's

 

[mtrycrafts]

Energy RC micro 5.1 sound empty as if the receiver is not driving any power into them. Have a Yamaha RX-V665 receiver. Please help! Center sounds empty even after cranking the volume up to -15db.
DOes it have to do anything with my cable box that is digi coax into the receiver and Rca from the wall for tv signal. DOes the RCA cable cause interference that could cause the hiss or emptiness?

You may have no other option than to upgrade to better speakers if you want better sound. I think you are expecting too much from those micros.
By the way is there an impedance rating on those speakers?

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

um 120khz? That's out of the audible range for sound.

I suggest a 150hz crossover, I wouldn't use these for music only movies.

But hey that's me. If you want music pick up a pair of Behringer 2030p's

Hehe, oops. He did put 120khz. I thought it read 120hz so I told him to raise it! Maybe he meant hz though. But yeah I agree with Isiberian, set that crossover to at least 150hz.

Or invest in larger speakers.

 

[lsiberian]

Hehe, oops. He did put 120khz. I thought it read 120hz so I told him to raise it! Maybe he meant hz though. But yeah I agree with Isiberian, set that crossover to at least 150hz.

Or invest in larger speakers.

A pair of Behringers 2030p's might be nice Wmax loves them so you know they are good quality.

 

[winners76]

My bad(typo) it is Cross over is set to 160hz now. I did the YPAO last evening..it did improve the bass on my sub. However, I think I need to increase the center channel a little bit. American Idol sounded great but ryan s' voice was the loudest while others were a bit low. May be it was the HD broadcast.

Do I need to lower the cross over? Speakers are rated 150hz~above.

Lsiberian, I don't need big speakers. These are the high end micros from Energy. They sell for $1000 not $250 like the ones in Costco.
The Reference Connoisseur series..not a garage assembled out of the box HT. These have a better rep than Bose do. I bought these since I dont have room in my room!
I also have the 5.1 Energy monster towers HT, with a 480W sub wired with Monster 12 gauge,components running on fiber optics, running off a $1100 Denon. Can blow some socks off the neighbors!

 

[j_garcia]

Monster is a bad word around here. Bose Cost more than $1k, despite how they sound, so saying that your setup cost $1K doesn't really tell us anything. I know what you mean though, and Energy is a good brand.

What Lsiberian is getting at is, satellite speakers, no matter how good they may seem, have the limitation of having very little midbass. Midbass is possibly the most important range for speakers to reproduce (vocals in particular), and when you have a crossover set high, that midbass is coming out of the sub instead of the speakers and it can become localizable. What that boils down to is that it sounds like the sound is not coming from the speakers as it should be. It can be harder to get a system like this dialed in than a system with larger speakers that allow a lower crossover point.

The Behringers mentioned are only ~$200 a pair but are very well regarded.

 

[WmAx]

The B2030P Behringer can be crossed at 80Hz and will have high SPL with low distortion. Buy 3 pairs so you can use them on ALL channels. They will be a huge step up in SQ as compared to the speakers you are currently using.

-Chris

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

The B2030P Behringer can be crossed at 80Hz and will have high SPL with low distortion. Buy 3 pairs so you can use them on ALL channels. They will be a huge step up in SQ as compared to the speakers you are currently using.

-Chris

Those speakers are fairly large. The OP just might not have the room for 'em.

 

[winners76]

I agree, I may be losing midbass, on these tiny's. However, I spent an hr yesterday with the YPAO to get the sub setup right and it set the distances at F/R 11.0ft, Centr 12.0ft and Sub 13.5ft.

It was U2 live yesterday on PLDHD on tv, the system gave me good bass but sounded like I was losing some vocals although loud enough , but not like watching it on DVD. The signal was HD though. I wonder if the concert had good recording. I am going to retry today.

I have my connections clean but wonder if I need to reconnect the coppers into the receiver pinch screw knobs again. I doubt if speaker craftsmanship has any flaws.

Any suggestions on tweaking the treble/bass, now set to +4.0 and +0db.