Onkyo made for USA and for Canada. Any difference?

[GomGom]

Hi guys, I went to a store in Canada and they mentioned that Onkyo made for USA and for Canada are different. They claim that Onkyo made for USA market has smaller power supply and heat sink which will give worse heat problem than the one made for Canada. Is it true? Or is it just their sales technique so I give my business to them?
They also mentioned about CSA (canadian standard) and ASA (American standard), 110V (USA) and 120 (Canada) which affect if I buy the receiver from the states.

I'm shopping for a receiver Onkyo TX-SR607 and found that 6ave.com has a sale which gives me a lot of saving than if I'm buying locally. Anyone could help me to justify that?

 

[mike c]

i highly doubt it.

that's a good sales spiel though. i'll have to use it sometime.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hi guys, I went to a store in Canada and they mentioned that Onkyo made for USA and for Canada are different. They claim that Onkyo made for USA market has smaller power supply and heat sink which will give worse heat problem than the one made for Canada. Is it true? Or is it just their sales technique so I give my business to them?
They also mentioned about CSA (canadian standard) and ASA (American standard), 110V (USA) and 120 (Canada) which affect if I buy the receiver from the states.

I'm shopping for a receiver Onkyo TX-SR607 and found that 6ave.com has a sale which gives me a lot of saving than if I'm buying locally. Anyone could help me to justify that?

The Canadian may only respond to Canadians talking

Seriously, they are pulling your leg.
Firstly, the power grid in North America is the same, all tied together, etc. Same 120V, 60 Hz.
If there is a difference, it may be in the radio section, not in frequency bands as that is the same too, but perhaps some features.
Ask them to prove their claims.

 

[GomGom]

So if Onkyo has problems means that all North American Onkyo products both Canada and USA will share the same right? Anyone else would like to chime in more? I wonder if the Onkyo 606 and 607 still have the heat problem, do they?

 

[mike c]

the heat problem can easily be solved by a PC fan connected to a wal-wart AC to 12v DC adaptor connected to the Onkyo's switched outlet

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39279&highlight=12v+adapter

 

[GomGom]

So no difference at all between USA product and Canadian product of Onkyos?

 

[lsiberian]

it's the 700 series and higher were heat is a concern not the 600 series.

 

[Gamblet]

So if Onkyo has problems means that all North American Onkyo products both Canada and USA will share the same right? Anyone else would like to chime in more? I wonder if the Onkyo 606 and 607 still have the heat problem, do they?

Is that true that the SR-607 has heat problems? I'm thinking of buying one but not intending to couple a pc fan.

 

[Davemcc]

One Onkyo dealer told me that the electronics green boards are different between Canada and the US to meet CSA. I can neither confirm nor deny the truth of that claim.

 

[Lordoftherings]

So no difference at all between USA product and Canadian product of Onkyos?

LOL. Of course not. Let me guess, London Drugs home entertainment department salesman told you that. These people working there know nothing more than the front of their nose (you didn't see it expand when he told you that?).

Bob

Note: Nothing to be concern from heat issues on both the 606 and 607.

 

[Lordoftherings]

One Onkyo dealer told me that the electronics green boards are different between Canada and the US to meet CSA. I can neither confirm nor deny the truth of that claim.

Another London Drugs staffer?

 

[anamorphic96]

From my understanding and my experience Onkyo receivers have always run warmer than most. Just keep a good 3 inches above the unit and you will be fine.

 

[mtrycrafts]

So if Onkyo has problems means that all North American Onkyo products both Canada and USA will share the same right? Anyone else would like to chime in more? I wonder if the Onkyo 606 and 607 still have the heat problem, do they?

One sure way is to call up Onkyo

 

[Lordoftherings]

Warm is Cool, and Love Making is Hot.

From my understanding and my experience Onkyo receivers have always run warmer than most. Just keep a good 3 inches above the unit and you will be fine.

It's interesting...The Denon AVR-3600 was running very hot, but the it was the best receiver at the time.
The Onkyos 705, 805, 875, 905, 706, 876 and 906 run hot too, but they are some of the very best receivers around.
The Yamaha RX-Z7 runs hot, but its one of the best receiver around.

There are several receivers and amps that runs hot, and they all are excellent.
I guess heat warms the sound.

Also, all receivers and amps run hot more or less, so what's the deal.

Some receivers that run cool, I found their sound sterile and without life, not always but often.

And a class D amp or receiver run cool (but sometimes warm too), and they have a lots of dynamics, but they lack detail and air on top. Hopefully they will improve in the future in that aspect of their sound. Why do you think class D amps are mainly used in subwoofers.

Sorry, this is not intended at you personally, I just used your post to get my message across. It is intended only to the people concerned about heat issues.
And like I said, heat gives you a warmer sound, a nice comfortable audio listening experience. It's a natural for live music and movie theaters.
Sound is a natural heat generator, so why be afraid of it.
And the Bonus, is that you save on your energy bill during the winter.
It keeps your other components from "freezing" on you.
And it keeps your wife or your girlfriend happy, and your daughters too with their girlfriends.

Ok, I made my point, I rest my case.

Bob

 

[Lordoftherings]

Oh my! Oh my!

I wonder if the Onkyo 606 and 607 still have the heat problem, do they?

NO, THEY DON'T. They run cool.

 

[GomGom]

LOL. Of course not. Let me guess, London Drugs home entertainment department salesman told you that. These people working there know nothing more than the front of their nose (you didn't see it expand when he told you that?).

Bob

Note: Nothing to be concern from heat issues on both the 606 and 607.

Nope, visions salesmen told me so. I remember they told me about that when I was getting KEF speakers (so I buy the Onkyo AVR at that time). Now they told me the same which makes me reconsider my decision on getting 607 from 6ave.

I tried to call onkyo but haven't got a good time yet (maybe tomorrow) but I have sent them a message but still no reply yet.

I guess, the heat reflects the amount of power drawn to the speakers. The more power you distribute to the speakers, the warmer it would be. Is that idea correct? That's why most excellent AVRs run pretty hot compare to the lower end one.

 

[Bluesmoke]

CSA is much tougher than the standards in America. The onkyo receivers are notorious for their high heat. It's a possibility that different boards exist.

In the 80s, Marshall amplifiers (guitar fans out there) made 2 separate amps for US and Canada for this reason alone.

 

[Alex2507]

Do the receivers up there have little green triangles sown onto them?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Alaska or Sahara?

Now, the Onkyo receivers that run hotter than usual are the 705 and up.
The 605 was not as hot as the 705 or 805 etc.

The 606 and 607 runs cooler than the 605.

Now, the part that runs hot on these Onkyo receivers are the video processors. That is the place where the most heat is generated, in the top right rear part of the receiver. That's why few people are using a small fan in that spot of the receiver mostly with the 805 and up (the 806 is not as hot).
And some people feel better putting a small fan too with the 705.

Now, there are tips to eliminate that issue, leave at least 4 inches of room in top of the receiver and leave the rear open, and front too. Don't cram your receiver in the drawer or the dryer. Or a confine space, closed on all faces. A receiver or amp needs some room to breathe. My rack, I remove the doors and I remove the cardboard from the rear. If I will remove the sides, it will not hold anymore.

Also, you can make your receiver run cooler by disabling the Control (CEC HDMI).
And by disabling also the Power Control (CEC for RIHD via HDMI).
And by disabling the TV Control (RIHD via HDMI).

These are all useless features that consume a lot of energy to waste.
You'll save some money too on your energy bill.

Other useless features best to disable too: Lip Sync. xvYCC and Immediate Display.

Let me tell you this too, I personally own the 805 and the 876, and I crank up the volume close to Reference level sometimes, till my ears cannot take it anymore, and I don't use a god dam fan on either of them. I will burn out my ears first way before my Onkyos explode in a Big Ball of Fire like a Volcano from Hell.

If you guys are so worry about what is not there, why don't you buy a receiver and just keep it turn Off.

Or go to an audio store and ask the dealer to turn all the receivers to their maximum volume (well not all at the same time ), and for a few minutes, then touch the top of each receiver and buy the one that feel the coldest.
I bet it will be the one with the coldest sound too.

Ouf, I'm getting tired at this... Need a break.

Come on guys, just cool off.

Bob

 

[Lordoftherings]

Just use common sense.

Nope, visions salesmen told me so. I remember they told me about that when I was getting KEF speakers (so I buy the Onkyo AVR at that time). Now they told me the same which makes me reconsider my decision on getting 607 from 6ave.

I tried to call onkyo but haven't got a good time yet (maybe tomorrow) but I have sent them a message but still no reply yet.

I guess, the heat reflects the amount of power drawn to the speakers. The more power you distribute to the speakers, the warmer it would be. Is that idea correct? That's why most excellent AVRs run pretty hot compare to the lower end one.

Visions Electronics Canada are worst than London Drugs. They know dic*.

You don't have to call Onkyo, I'm better at servicing Onkyo owners than Onkyo staff.

And your last point is pretty close. You're right that the more power you give to your speakers (in particular if they are electrostatic type or below 4 ohms), it will draw more current from the amps and run them warmer, even hot. But if you use very efficient speakers, like Klipsch, you are running much less into that situation.
And some amps (like class D) simply run cooler, even at higher levels.
And some (like class A) run hot always, even at low level volume.
Heck, some tube amps with only 2 watts per channel run hot!

And heat is not a factor of excellence in amplifiers or receivers.
Heat is normal. Too much deserves attention and care.

Bob