Onkyo made for USA and for Canada. Any difference?

[Lordoftherings]

About this for some true facts.

CSA is much tougher than the standards in America. The onkyo receivers are notorious for their high heat. It's a possibility that different boards exist.

In the 80s, Marshall amplifiers (guitar fans out there) made 2 separate amps for US and Canada for this reason alone.

My Onkyo 876 is UL (USA certification), my Onkyo 805 is UL (USA certification), my Denon 3805 is UL (USA certification), my Yamaha 2092 is UL (USA certification), my Pioneer..., my Kenwood..., my other Denon...

And I live in Canada, and I purchased all my receivers in Canada.

My guitar amp is UL (USA certification).

My electric guitars are UL (Ultra Loud).

These are all true facts, interesting, isn't?

LOTR

 

[Patrick_Wolf]

The new Marantz 4003, 5003, & 6003 have a CSA logo on the back. As opposed to the UL logo on the AVR's they replaced. Dunno if this pertains to the discussion, just something I found intersting.

 

[lsiberian]

Now, the Onkyo receivers that run hotter than usual are the 705 and up.
The 605 was not as hot as the 705 or 805 etc.

The 606 and 607 runs cooler than the 605.

Now, the part that runs hot on these Onkyo receivers are the video processors. That is the place where the most heat is generated, in the top right rear part of the receiver. That's why few people are using a small fan in that spot of the receiver mostly with the 805 and up (the 806 is not as hot).
And some people feel better putting a small fan too with the 705.

Now, there are tips to eliminate that issue, leave at least 4 inches of room in top of the receiver and leave the rear open, and front too. Don't cram your receiver in the drawer or the dryer. Or a confine space, closed on all faces. A receiver or amp needs some room to breathe. My rack, I remove the doors and I remove the cardboard from the rear. If I will remove the sides, it will not hold anymore.

Also, you can make your receiver run cooler by disabling the Control (CEC HDMI).
And by disabling also the Power Control (CEC for RIHD via HDMI).
And by disabling the TV Control (RIHD via HDMI).

These are all useless features that consume a lot of energy to waste.
You'll save some money too on your energy bill.

Other useless features best to disable too: Lip Sync. xvYCC and Immediate Display.

Let me tell you this too, I personally own the 805 and the 876, and I crank up the volume close to Reference level sometimes, till my ears cannot take it anymore, and I don't use a god dam fan on either of them. I will burn out my ears first way before my Onkyos explode in a Big Ball of Fire like a Volcano from Hell.

If you guys are so worry about what is not there, why don't you buy a receiver and just keep it turn Off.

Or go to an audio store and ask the dealer to turn all the receivers to their maximum volume (well not all at the same time ), and for a few minutes, then touch the top of each receiver and buy the one that feel the coldest.
I bet it will be the one with the coldest sound too.

Ouf, I'm getting tired at this... Need a break.

Come on guys, just cool off.

Bob

Someone needs a drink

 

[Davemcc]

My Onkyo 876 is UL (USA certification), my Onkyo 805 is UL (USA certification), my Denon 3805 is UL (USA certification), my Yamaha 2092 is UL (USA certification), my Pioneer..., my Kenwood..., my other Denon...

And I live in Canada, and I purchased all my receivers in Canada.

My guitar amp is UL (USA certification).

My electric guitars are UL (Ultra Loud).

These are all true facts, interesting, isn't?

LOTR

Not really interesting at all. I would be far more interested if you could use your mastery of facts to confirm or deny any difference between US and Cdn products. Insulting London Drugs (whatever that is) or A/V sales people in general does not add factual information to this thread. I was told that by a salesman in a dedicated A/V shop, not a chain or big box store. Can you prove him wrong with more relevant facts than the location of your A/V purchases?

 

[GomGom]

Alright guys, i think we're not worry about avr running hot anymore. It runs that way and I believe it should be fine as long as they are in the market.

About the ASA and CSA, in business sense, all companies that serve both USA and Canadian market should use 1 design only (CSA if it's the tougher one and if CSA>ASA) so they don't need to spend more money to make 2 different specs for each market. That's what I think from the business point of view.

I just got reply from Onkyo USA that Onkyo products made for Canadian and USA has no difference at all. I would try to call them sometime just to verify the power supply and electric board.

If you go to onkyo.ca and find the "contact us" number, it's the USA branch. So I suppose that they centralize the customer service support to one location only. I will give them a call and see what they would say.

I would like to thank everyone here that gave comments and please please please don't let any conflict happening in our lovely Hi-Fi forum.

You can still give your comments in the mean time I'm waiting for their answer more.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Not really interesting at all. I would be far more interested if you could use your mastery of facts to confirm or deny any difference between US and Cdn products. Insulting London Drugs (whatever that is) or A/V sales people in general does not add factual information to this thread. I was told that by a salesman in a dedicated A/V shop, not a chain or big box store. Can you prove him wrong with more relevant facts than the location of your A/V purchases?

Two countries, two similar set of rules.
Two receivers, one country of origin.

London Drugs is not a place with pro people in the home theater department, this is a fact. If some people there happen to know more than the average, it is pure coincidence.

"Some" A/V sales people are the workers from Satan himself.

This is only my opinion, and my own only, from my personal experience and knowing several managers in London Drugs stores.

Now, you can have your own opinion, and that's fine. But I like to tell mine when I see the need to do so.

This is not something that you read in a manual with the specs. It's a personal experience based on years in this matter.

There is no mastery or mystery here, it is simply life experience.

Cheers,

LOTR

 

[GomGom]

Two countries, two similar set of rules.
Two receivers, one country of origin.

London Drugs is not a place with pro people in the home theater department, this is a fact. If some people there happen to know more than the average, it is pure coincidence.

"Some" A/V sales people are the workers from Satan himself.

This is only my opinion, and my own only, from my personal experience and knowing several managers in London Drugs stores.

Now, you can have your own opinion, and that's fine. But I like to tell mine when I see the need to do so.

This is not something that you read in a manual with the specs. It's a personal experience based on years in this matter.

There is no mastery or mystery here, it is simply life experience.

Cheers,

LOTR

That's right, you're giving your opinion and everyone is entitled to one's own opinion.

I kinda agree with you that people tend to be bias to what they have/sell and it's normal. Maybe you're right on London Drugs because they have a wider variety of goods they sell, but I think people in Visions know much better about it since it's purely an electronic store and specialized in AV, but it does not deny the bias they have.

 

[Lordoftherings]

That's right, you're giving your opinion and everyone is entitled to one's own opinion.

I kinda agree with you that people tend to be bias to what they have/sell and it's normal. Maybe you're right on London Drugs because they have a wider variety of goods they sell, but I think people in Visions know much better about it since it's purely an electronic store and specialized in AV, but it does not deny the bias they have.

And VisionsElectronicsCanada prices are very high I found. So, I don't revisit that site anymore. My best deals in Canada are always with live people, face to face. If I will live in the States, I will probably buy on-line quite often, because of the excellent deals there South of our border.

I don't have anything against the people working at London Drugs, I actually have some good friends there. But it is just not their business to be informed on smaller details like other people do. I know, I had several job offerings there in the Audio/Video department. They don't have the time to keep up to date with the new stuff. I do. All my friends are asking me for the last 30 years, how come I don't open my own Audio store. Well! Its a long story...
So, I understand where they coming from (the sales staff at London Drugs).

Remember A & B Sound? Now, they are extinct (well pretty much so).
They were more informed with the new tech. But they had their fair share of problems too.

Anyway they were not selling Onkyo products. Neither Rotel or NAD products.
But they did have some high end stuff, for a price though. And in some cases (or many) return items.

Now with the internet, the scene has change dramatically. But on-line shopping here in Canada for Audio products is way behind the USA. We are a much smaller population, not so much competition here as compared to South of the border.

All right, good for today now.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[mtrycrafts]

... I was told that by a salesman in a dedicated A/V shop, not a chain or big box store. ...?

Does that give him a level of certification to be right?
I guess someone has to talk to Onkyo to know for sure, if then, as one would not talk directly to the engineers.

 

[walter duque]

It's interesting...The Denon AVR-3600 was running very hot, but the it was the best receiver at the time.
The Onkyos 705, 805, 875, 905, 706, 876 and 906 run hot too, but they are some of the very best receivers around.
The Yamaha RX-Z7 runs hot, but its one of the best receiver around.

There are several receivers and amps that runs hot, and they all are excellent.
I guess heat warms the sound.

Also, all receivers and amps run hot more or less, so what's the deal.

Some receivers that run cool, I found their sound sterile and without life, not always but often.

And a class D amp or receiver run cool (but sometimes warm too), and they have a lots of dynamics, but they lack detail and air on top. Hopefully they will improve in the future in that aspect of their sound. Why do you think class D amps are mainly used in subwoofers.

Sorry, this is not intended at you personally, I just used your post to get my message across. It is intended only to the people concerned about heat issues.
And like I said, heat gives you a warmer sound, a nice comfortable audio listening experience. It's a natural for live music and movie theaters.
Sound is a natural heat generator, so why be afraid of it.
And the Bonus, is that you save on your energy bill during the winter.
It keeps your other components from "freezing" on you.
And it keeps your wife or your girlfriend happy, and your daughters too with their girlfriends.

Ok, I made my point, I rest my case.

Bob

I must have everything backwards all these years. There is always an issue with Onkyo or Denon running hot. I keep touching my Cinepro and after about 45 minutes you could cook a steak on the heatsinks, then I know she is ready to get cranked. I passed on a 10 year old Onkyo AVR to my cousin and he has it in a cabinet with no ventilation and it still works fine (and it gets hot) . I don't know what all the fuzz is about, about amps running hot. They're supposed too. IMO the hoter they get the sweeter they sound. You could not put your hands on my Cinepro for more then 10 seconds after about 45 minutes of priming it up. I don't know if I ever turned it off in 11 years. I guess I got it all wrong, but it works for me.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I must have everything backwards all these years. There is always an issue with Onkyo or Denon running hot. I keep touching my Cinepro and after about 45 minutes you could cook a steak on the heatsinks, then I know she is ready to get cranked. I passed on a 10 year old Onkyo AVR to my cousin and he has it in a cabinet with no ventilation and it still works fine (and it gets hot) . I don't know what all the fuzz is about, about amps running hot. They're supposed too. IMO the hoter they get the sweeter they sound. You could not put your hands on my Cinepro for more then 10 seconds after about 45 minutes of priming it up. I don't know if I ever turned it off in 11 years. I guess I got it all wrong, but it works for me.

LOL. Well put it.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I must have everything backwards all these years. There is always an issue with Onkyo or Denon running hot. I keep touching my Cinepro and after about 45 minutes you could cook a steak on the heatsinks, then I know she is ready to get cranked. I passed on a 10 year old Onkyo AVR to my cousin and he has it in a cabinet with no ventilation and it still works fine (and it gets hot) . I don't know what all the fuzz is about, about amps running hot. They're supposed too. IMO the hoter they get the sweeter they sound. You could not put your hands on my Cinepro for more then 10 seconds after about 45 minutes of priming it up. I don't know if I ever turned it off in 11 years. I guess I got it all wrong, but it works for me.

Yes, some amps run hotter than others, especially class A. ClassD is a cool operator. As to sweet sound and a hot amp, that can be tested too

 

[Davemcc]

Does that give him a level of certification to be right?
I guess someone has to talk to Onkyo to know for sure, if then, as one would not talk directly to the engineers.

I don't know if he gave me correct information, which is why I posted as much in this thread. While his statement may contradict your opinion, neither is based on concrete evidence of what is actually inside a US or Can. receiver. Like Schrodinger's Cat, there is only one correct answer and neither a salesman's statements nor your opinion will alter the state of components within a receiver's case.

(Although being an Onkyo/Integra distributor at a dedicated A/V shop, I suspect that his information may come from proprietary dealer information provided by Onkyo while your opinion comes out of your ...)

 

[cerwinmad]

welll

im wondering if there is a difference between countrys, for example my manual of my tx-SR503 says:

power output, 2 channel driven:

North American; 75W + 75W (8ohm, 20Hz-20kHz, FTC)
European; 100W +100W, (6ohm, 1kHz, DIN)
Asian, Australian; 130W+130W (6ohm, 1kHz, JEITA)

Dynamic power; 180W + 180W 3ohm front
140W + 140W 4ohm front
95W + 95W 8ohm front

dont know if this helps, probably just different methods of measurement on same amplifier output, but maybe some one who has more experience with ratings may see a difference.

 

[mtrycrafts]

im wondering if there is a difference between countrys, for example my manual of my tx-SR503 says:

power output, 2 channel driven:

North American; 75W + 75W (8ohm, 20Hz-20kHz, FTC)
European; 100W +100W, (6ohm, 1kHz, DIN)
Asian, Australian; 130W+130W (6ohm, 1kHz, JEITA)

Dynamic power; 180W + 180W 3ohm front
140W + 140W 4ohm front
95W + 95W 8ohm front

dont know if this helps, probably just different methods of measurement on same amplifier output, but maybe some one who has more experience with ratings may see a difference.

Thanks. This is just different specs due to the 3 standards being different, as you can see from the specs themselves. One uses an 8 ohm load, another 6 ohm load, not sure how the Australian is different, perhaps different THD?
But, it seems to be the same amp?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I don't know if he gave me correct information, which is why I posted as much in this thread. While his statement may contradict your opinion, neither is based on concrete evidence of what is actually inside a US or Can. receiver. Like Schrodinger's Cat, there is only one correct answer and neither a salesman's statements nor your opinion will alter the state of components within a receiver's case.

(Although being an Onkyo/Integra distributor at a dedicated A/V shop, I suspect that his information may come from proprietary dealer information provided by Onkyo while your opinion comes out of your ...)

Yes, my info is pure opinion. And his source is still speculative as well, even though he may want it to be factual. He has something to gain by selling what he has. I don't have such gain to bias me.
Maybe he can show the actual paperwork. How can that be proprietary if it is part of advertising or spec sheet. Why would he know all the different country amp constructions or differences.
One reason why I said to call the maker, and even then, it may depend who one talks to.

 

[GomGom]

Confirmed!!!

Hi guys, I finally gave Onkyo supports a call and they have confirmed that both products made for USA and Canada are the same and no different to meet ASA or CSA. They come from the same production line and are identical. I will get it from 6ave, then...

Thanks everyone...

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hi guys, I finally gave Onkyo supports a call and they have confirmed that both products made for USA and Canada are the same and no different to meet ASA or CSA. They come from the same production line and are identical. I will get it from 6ave, then...

Thanks everyone...

Certainly, you bet
Now, if you want, you can go or call that store that gave you the BS and tell them that they better call the company for the straight info, no bull attached

 

[GomGom]

Certainly, you bet
Now, if you want, you can go or call that store that gave you the BS and tell them that they better call the company for the straight info, no bull attached

Hahaha... I like your comment. I, in fact, just returned their Onkyo 606 that I bought. They said that bull to make me not returning it last time and extend my return policy. After got the confirmation from Onkyo itself, I know I'd better off buying the 607 for cheaper price from the states and I did put the order already. Now, I'm waiting for the 607 to come to drive my new speakers as well.

 

[Davemcc]

Hi guys, I finally gave Onkyo supports a call and they have confirmed that both products made for USA and Canada are the same and no different to meet ASA or CSA. They come from the same production line and are identical. I will get it from 6ave, then...

Thanks everyone...

I'm glad we got that all cleared up.