Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!

[Scarriere]

This one was hard to resist. And I tried.
I am Metis, which means I am part Caucasion (sorry bout spelling) and part Native. My father is over half Native and my Mother is too. Both of their non-native geneology side fades within a couple generations.I am from northern Canada where most Aboriginals still maintain traditions that are thousands of years old. 95% of my friends and family are Aboriginal. We were in an area among the very last explored and conquered by Europeans, less than a couple hundred years ago, so we are able to maintain our traditions even though the Gov't and Church had a mandate to extinguish that. We were tricked and mislead out of our land and rights. My Ancestors came across the Bering Land Bridge 60,000 to 50,000 B.C. Europeans didn't care about how we respect the Land, our Family or our Traditions. The Gov't at that time wanted everything we had and tried very hard to get it and pretty much succeeded. The Church has apologised for what was endured in the residential schools and has paid some restitution to some of the survivors. The Gov't refuses to apologise. I could go on and on but won't, I get angry writing about it right now.
Mexicans (not their original name), have gone through a very similar experience. That is an undeniable fact.
I find it slightly amusing about your *****ing of immigrants. Because that is EXACTLY what you are. Your ancestors may have been here 517 years at the very most. My ancestors, and the Mexican ancestors have been here up to 62,000 years.
I understand your frustration, but not your anger. How would you like it if a superior force came to your home and took everything you had, then dispersed your family?
Maybe you could think about that for a bit. I don't mean this in a harsh way, I am Hoping you can gain some perspective.

 

[Shock]

Every single person on this planet that does not live in a third world country is taught english to some degree, and there's a reason for it.

If you speak english you can go to any civilized place and function normally. If you come to my country, you need to learn english. If you don't learn english you should be deported........period.

 

[agarwalro]

The pendulum swings both ways

I am here legally, on a valid work permit visa. As part of my Federal Taxes I pay into Social Security and Medicare. Needless to say, being considered an "alien" by the government, I am not eligible for either. I have no problems paying local taxes (some of which is used to maintain the roads, parks, waterworks, etc.) or government taxes (some of which is used to give me he quality of life I have here). But, I will never see the Social Security and Medicare money the government is deducting from my paycheck since I have no way of recovering it even as I finally exit the country. I find that infuriating and frustrating since it makes up about 15% of my salary.

I understand and partially agree with the comments regarding illegal aliens using up precious resources that is making life miserable for US citizens. But, I cannot agree with these people being even a sizable drain on the government to a point that it is impacting economic considerations. One only need look at the wars, Wall Street debacle and other frivolous government spending to come up with some numbers to put the government spending on aliens into perspective.

I was ordering food at a drive through the other day and I could not understand a word of what the other person was saying, even though it was being spoken in English. I found the incident comical. In my opinion, it is the vernacular that everyone needs to know in a working manner. If the location is bilingual, one cannot chide anyone for knowing only one or the other.

 

[Scarriere]

Every single person on this planet that does not live in a third world country is taught english to some degree, and there's a reason for it.

If you speak english you can go to any civilized place and function normally. If you come to my country, you need to learn english. If you don't learn english you should be deported........period.

Yeah that's right. 'Cause it sez so in your Constitution right...um....ah....nope, don't see it. Just kidding.
One of the wonderful things our respective Countries have in common is Freedom of Speech. We all have opinions and are free to express them at any time. However, I may have overstepped a bit. The issue discussed here doesn't involve me and perhaps I should have stayed away. After all, I am almost a continent away from where this particular one takes place.
We DO go through the same though. We were in a boom and no one wanted the service and/or menial jobs so increased immigration helped fill the void. Yeah, I occasionally experience what's discussed here, but I also experience other stuff that p!$$es me off more.
I get tailed by security at stores of all types. Even though I've made enough coin to pay two security salaries. I get asked for picture i.d. when making credit card purchases while the two customers ahead of me weren't. When my Daughter and I were shopping for a computer, we were the only ones in the store and were completely ignored by the three salesmen there. Shopping for electronics brings similar results.
Do I feel a bit of resentment? Yeah, more than likely. That is probably why I may have used not-so-right judgement in my post. I don't mean to offend anyone AT ALL! Everyone has the right to their opinion, but may have to sometimes pick and choose when and where to express it.

 

[Alex2507]

I don't mean to offend anyone AT ALL! Everyone has the right to their opinion, but may have to sometimes pick and choose when and where to express it.

Don't worry about offending Shock. BTW, you two live in the same country.
He just acts like he's American.

I thought Metis was a mix of French and Indian. Live and learn though.

Oh, ... and I'm gonna give him a red chicklet.

 

[ragged]

Yawn. America wasn't built by Americans only. Africans, Asians, Europeans and now Hispanics, some did not speak English either. You forget the days when it against the law to teach an African-American to read, so why all the crying now? Get used to it. Americans cheat, lie, steal and avoid paying taxes too you know, been doing for centuries, I don't see anybody here yelling and screaming about that. Probably only because it's some white collar big wig Ponzi scheme. Send every last immigrant home, illegal, non-english speaking, see what the @#$% happens.

I hear your frustrations though, I moved to South Florida recently, only to move back 6 months later. It's not North America down there anymore, it's the northern-most part of South America.

America has always been THE country to immigrate to, willingly or unwillingly that's the way the fore fathers wanted it and the way it still is. Illegals are an integral part of the system now, can't live with em, can't live without em.

 

[CraigV]

I did not start this thread to come down on immigrants. If you read my signature, you will see what I think about where we all come from. You’re right, we are immigrants in this land, and I abhor what the settlers did to the native populace. My point was that if you’re moving to a new country in which the predominant language spoken is different than your own, you’d be a fool not to learn it, either before moving, or while in the new country. Along with the customs, rules & laws.

I also agree with the sentiment that you should not show up on the doorstep with your hand out waiting to be given something. Earn what you take.

 

[Scarriere]

I thought Metis was a mix of French and Indian. Live and learn though.

You thought correctly. Good call. As the French travelled west for the fur trade, they interbred with Cree women, who's value to them cannot be understated.
Metis are indeed French/Cree in origin and our traditions are a combination of both cultures. I believe the term includes other Native/Non-Native mixes now too.

 

[caupina]

I am here legally, on a valid work permit visa. As part of my Federal Taxes I pay into Social Security and Medicare. Needless to say, being considered an "alien" by the government, I am not eligible for either. I have no problems paying local taxes (some of which is used to maintain the roads, parks, waterworks, etc.) or government taxes (some of which is used to give me he quality of life I have here). But, I will never see the Social Security and Medicare money the government is deducting from my paycheck since I have no way of recovering it even as I finally exit the country. I find that infuriating and frustrating since it makes up about 15% of my salary.

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agarwalro, I'm on the same status as you. The company I work for, transferred me here. I did some reading in the internet regarding the Social Security and it turns out the country I come from, Chile, has an agreement with the US, so when I retire, if I leave, I can take my money back to Chile, or bring the one I have in my pension fund there over here.

Here's the link: http://www.ssa.gov/international/index.html

I do agree with CraigV, if you decide to move to another country remember you are a guest so make sure you show some respect and leave a good impression, be a good representative of your homeland.

Nobody likes when somebody comes to our houses uninvited and they demand some courtesy.

 

[highfigh]

But, I cannot agree with these people being even a sizable drain on the government to a point that it is impacting economic considerations

You should add the Police, Fire, EMS, hospital, prison, insurance and loss of life to the $30B-$50B sent out of the country, annually. It's not just at a national level that these costs are excessive, but locally, too. The hospital less than a mile from my house closed because of non-payment and it's happening all over the country.

Look into the crime rate WRT illegals and the percentage of the prison populations.

I understand your point about not being able to understand what the person at the fast food place was saying. It's hard enough to get kids to want to learn anything if they don't want to be in school in the first place. They clearly have no clue about what their life will be in the future but it's obvious that tehy expect to be provided for. This point was abundantly clear this afternoon, when I left my house to go someplace. As soon as I passed into Milwaukee, the break between every median strip in the street was blocked by a Glendale PD, Milwaukee PD or Sheriff's Department cruisers or SUVs, with more officers patrolling along that 1 mile stretch in their cruisers. There were at least a dozen vehicles blocking and they were pulling cars over, too. I saw no less than 8 cops wearing their vests, too. When I asked what was going on, the cop said "It's such a nice day, the kids are skipping school". This could be chalked up to "kids will be kids" if it was a rare occurrence, but it's far from unusual. The thing that really pisses me off is the fact that the Milwaukee Public School budget is now at $1.7B and climbing annually, with very little improvement and they have about 16 buildings sitting dormant, after spending millions on upgrades.

 

[jamie2112]

It sounds like somebody is getting rich in Milwaukee and not the right people...

 

[Alex2507]

If you read my signature, you will see what I think about where we all come from.

That may be where you come from but I got say that I am created, not related.

You see, on the third day ... {J/K}

I'll tell you how it worked for my father. He came here at the age of 40. It's not easy to learn languages at that age. I guess he got right into construction and I know that when I am at work I get spanked for talking. So learning the language wasn't happening there. Women are better at languages and my mother had jobs that required more communication so she did better. Our social life revolved around the people who sponsored us and other families that we met at our church where the mass was spoken in our native tongue. Oh yeah, that was in NYC.

So we move to FLA a few years later and we attend masses spoken in English. My parents actually tried the night classes. Let me tell you that those classes are geared toward people who are literate. I doubt that my parents ever went to school. They learned to read their language at home. The night classes didn't go so well because they were struggling to read this non phonetic English. Remember, it's very hard when your in your mid 40's. It would be like you trying to learn Chinese.

I hope you didn't eat any of that Scottish cuisine after you pissed the kid off.

 

[Rickster71]

You’re right, we are immigrants in this land, and I abhor what the settlers did to the native populace.

Ironic isn't it?
Many of our problems in this countries' history, slavery, and up to and including many of our current issues, all wouldn't exist
if the native Americans would have just controlled their immigration problem.

 

[gmichael]

This one was hard to resist. And I tried.
I am Metis, which means I am part Caucasion (sorry bout spelling) and part Native. My father is over half Native and my Mother is too. Both of their non-native geneology side fades within a couple generations.I am from northern Canada where most Aboriginals still maintain traditions that are thousands of years old. 95% of my friends and family are Aboriginal. We were in an area among the very last explored and conquered by Europeans, less than a couple hundred years ago, so we are able to maintain our traditions even though the Gov't and Church had a mandate to extinguish that. We were tricked and mislead out of our land and rights. My Ancestors came across the Bering Land Bridge 60,000 to 50,000 B.C. Europeans didn't care about how we respect the Land, our Family or our Traditions. The Gov't at that time wanted everything we had and tried very hard to get it and pretty much succeeded. The Church has apologised for what was endured in the residential schools and has paid some restitution to some of the survivors. The Gov't refuses to apologise. I could go on and on but won't, I get angry writing about it right now.
Mexicans (not their original name), have gone through a very similar experience. That is an undeniable fact.
I find it slightly amusing about your *****ing of immigrants. Because that is EXACTLY what you are. Your ancestors may have been here 517 years at the very most. My ancestors, and the Mexican ancestors have been here up to 62,000 years.
I understand your frustration, but not your anger. How would you like it if a superior force came to your home and took everything you had, then dispersed your family?
Maybe you could think about that for a bit. I don't mean this in a harsh way, I am Hoping you can gain some perspective.

And If I moved to another country, I would learn their language. I would respect their customs. I would be grateful for the second chance.
Are you gaining a perspective yet?

 

[gmichael]

I am here legally, on a valid work permit visa. As part of my Federal Taxes I pay into Social Security and Medicare. Needless to say, being considered an "alien" by the government, I am not eligible for either. I have no problems paying local taxes (some of which is used to maintain the roads, parks, waterworks, etc.) or government taxes (some of which is used to give me he quality of life I have here). But, I will never see the Social Security and Medicare money the government is deducting from my paycheck since I have no way of recovering it even as I finally exit the country. I find that infuriating and frustrating since it makes up about 15% of my salary.

I understand and partially agree with the comments regarding illegal aliens using up precious resources that is making life miserable for US citizens. But, I cannot agree with these people being even a sizable drain on the government to a point that it is impacting economic considerations. One only need look at the wars, Wall Street debacle and other frivolous government spending to come up with some numbers to put the government spending on aliens into perspective.

I was ordering food at a drive through the other day and I could not understand a word of what the other person was saying, even though it was being spoken in English. I found the incident comical. In my opinion, it is the vernacular that everyone needs to know in a working manner. If the location is bilingual, one cannot chide anyone for knowing only one or the other.

Looks like you've done a good job of learning English. And you did the paperwork needed to be here legally. So has my wife who came here in 2002. I don't think that anyone here has a problem with your view.
Sorry about the taxes. We don't like them either.

 

[Alex2507]

And If I moved to another country, I would learn their language. I would respect their customs. I would be grateful for the second chance.

When are you leaving?



Edit: You know I'm kidding, right? Please don't leave.

 

[markw]

And If I moved to another country, I would learn their language. I would respect their customs. I would be grateful for the second chance.
Are you gaining a perspective yet?

So, you taking night courses in Tagalog?

 

[gmichael]

So, you taking night courses in Tagalog?

Visian. She's from Mindanao. But yeah, she's been trying to teach me a little of both. But I get mixed up.

Still, there is no way I'm moving to place that's hotter than h.ll. One guy told me a story the last time I was there. He said that if he owned the Philippines and H.ll. He would live in h;ll and rent out the Philippines. I'm fairly sure he stole that line from a movie. Riddick?

 

[gmichael]

When are you leaving?



Edit: You know I'm kidding, right? Please don't leave.

How do you feel about 100 F while the humidity is around the same number%?

 

[Alex2507]

How do you feel about 100 F while the humidity is around the same number%?

I did a couple of years in the DFW area and about 10 in FLA (just because they changed the rules on how to abbreviate Florida doesn't mean that I have to fall in line). I could write volumes on that but I don't get the relevance of the question. I'm trying to though.

While I am here I would like to make the point that things change. It did for the Indians, it did for my parents and it will for Americans. I think it's wild that they can keep something this big together for so long. Especially when you consider that people in Louisiana hate people from Texas ... just an example.

People can cry and resist all they want but change comes and the language of the region will change too. The only way to stop the whites would have been to kill them and the same can be said of ... well, even I'm not going there but I'm unafraid of change. I'm literate and pretty good with languages. So if you ain't ready to start shootin', you best be hable-ing.

BTW, English is my favorite language.

My 2 cents.
The end.