These issues are tough. I'm torn between the value of civil liberties and the moral values I grew up on, both of which are what this wonderful country is founded on.
Jamie is an idiot and has no idea what he's talking about...
Actually, he's exactly right... these threads go almost nowhere. No matter what side of the fence you might be on, there's almost no argument from the other side that will make you open minded. In such cases, they are hopeless issues and all you can do is vote. (insert sarcastic sigh here)