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sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Sub Out > DCX2496 input A, (Using RCA to XLR cable or similar combination of adapters) > DCX2496 output 1&2 (I prefer 1&6 due to more physical seperation) to EP2500 XLR inputs.

With the DCX route input A to both your outputs, This is done by pressing the button for the output channel and it says input select A. Go through and turn the other ones that your not using to B or C.

Keep your emotiva hooked up the same way you had it before. Crossing and EQ'ing your main speakers (or others) is a more advanced lesson for another day.

You'll have to set the high pass filter on the DCX and also the crossover. You may have to adjust the gain on the DCX. You can do this by either adjusting the input channel or the output channels.
sorry for the late response to your post but I think we set a record for sunny warmth today I had to be out side so now I just came in and scarffed down some lasagna and now I'm getting the camera and going for the hook up as per the advice and expert knowledge of all my fellow AH friends ,Thanks guys I really appreciate all the help.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
I'll respond to your PM here in the event in can help others...

If you have input A as your LFE input and output 1 and 6 as your subwoofers (just as an example) this is what you want to set the DCX up for to begin with.

Press the button below the level outputs for channel 1 output. You should be on page 1of8 general settings.



The first setting for this channel is the input it is being fed by. Select A. You can move through the options by using the "param" buttons to go up and down and use the scroll wheel to do side to side stuff.

You can also set the output gain and what this output is labeled as. Leave the gain on 0db for now.

Next do the same for channel 6 (or whatever other output you decide to use) In my setup I opted for channels physically farthest apart on the unit for any hope of better stereo seperation. You're probably not going to be worried about that. I just did it because i could.

Now there are 4 more channels of outputs your not using so go through this first step as outlined above and do the same for each, only set them to input B or C. You just dont want them to be on the same input as what your using.

Now, Go to page 2 of the menu for channel 1. This is where your going to set up the crossover. And the High Pass filter to protect the driver.



The first parameter you need to set is the crossover slope for the high pass. Set it on but24. This is a butterworth type 24db slope. You can play with these settings later on but this is the reccomended filter. You want to set it at 20hz, which is the lowest you can set a crossover filter. After thats done your high pass is ready. This slopes off frequencies below 20hz to protect from over excursion. Since you'll probably be using the sub crossover in your reciever, Go ahead and set the other crossover filter to "off" under type and you can turn the freq to 20khz just for the heck of it. (in the picture i hav it set as a butterworth 18db slope at 69hz because I also have my main speakers hooked to the DCX and i only use 2 channel. If you were not using the recievers crossover for the sub you would want to set it at say 80hz and some kind of slope.

Also, set the Xover adjust mode to free if its not already to keep things simple. (bottom right corner of this display)


You have now basically setup the dcx. that will get you started.

A few more things though...

Your going to want to eq your in room response with the dcx, this is best done with room eq wizard software. Once you get more accustomed to using this thing it will be easy. Also the manual is a good help if perhaps a bit technical. I'll explain a little on the eq page..



you'll probably want to keep the eq to off for now, but at the top we have the first paramter which is NR, I dont know what that stands for but anyway thats the first band of eq. you can have up to 8 or 10 IIRC per channel. Type, just leave on BP, freq is the center frequency of what your are going to eq, next is the gain plus or minus in db, and Q which sets how "big" the eq is. You'll see what i mean by looking at the graph and playing with it.

Next page is Dynamic Eq. Just leave this set to off, (it should look like this screen)



Next page is more dynamic eq stuff. leave this set as it is on this page as well. The main thing is the Thresh, leave it on 0db



Next page is the limiter. also leave this off. as see on this page.



Now we get into something you want to play with which is page 7, containing phase. You can invert the polarity (180 degrees) or adjust it in smaller increments with the phase paramter. Just leave the polarity on normal for now but switch between normal and inverted and see if you hear any difference. For me inverted is much better.



Theres one more page, the delays that i didnt take a picture of, just leave it all off. Now go through and do the same thing for your other output channel.


One more thing is that you want to mute the inputs and outputs your not using. To do this press the mute button which brings you into sort of "mute mode" and then press the main button you hit to get into each channels menu's. A red light will come on for each muted output and input.

As for your hum, you may have to look into something like the art cleanbox or similar. I did not. I was able to kill any humm with using a star grounding system with my equipment. I reccomend trying this before investing in anything else or getting ground loop isolators. the idea is that you hook up an auxillary ground wire to the chassis ground of all your equipment with lengths of wire that are similar and as short as possible. And tie them all together at one central point, in my case its my power conditioner. The idea is that any stray ground currents which usually cause humm due to running through the audio circuitry are instead redirected through this ground wire because of a lower resistance to ground. It may or may not work for you but it is worth a try. Some equipment has ground lugs and others you simply need to attach the wire with a spade or ring lug and secure it with one of the chassis screws.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Thats a great step by step thanks Haoleb I am starting to get the hang of this thing but I cant keep my eyes open any more I'll look more into it tomorrow.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
If anyone would like to throw some more input,where should I set the crossover in the pioneer 1015 the choices are from 40 db to 200 db ,also the LFE can be set to off,att-0,att-10, any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Good Morning all,I'll start by saying I think I have something setup wrong,I have a loud hiss from my fronts turn everything off pull out the rca from pio sub out turn it back on no hiss deadly silent fronts so its in the dcx/2500 setup.when its all hooked up pio has crossover set at 80, fronts set small, LFE set at att 10, I dont know if they are all right but its the best sound so far,I dont get alot of sound from the subs until around -10 db and thats still not as much as I thought I would hear.when the master volume is changed from-3 to -2db there is a loud crackle pop heard in both subs and from -18db to about -8 db there is medium crackle and distortion at each increment ,-17,-16,-15,so on and so on until about -8db than nothing until the louder noise at-3db to -2 db.The input is set to A only with the gain set at 4,the outputs are 1 and 4 as they are both the L on the LMHLMH 1 thru 6 their gains are at 0 the two outputs are in the ten oclock position.with the fronts on I really have to crank this up to know that there is a sub so in that aspect I cant have this setup right can I ??
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Dang, Haoleb rocks!

It is too early for me to read through all of this but I still say skip the DCX for right now and hook up the sub just to make certain everything is ok. Once you know that it is hooked up properly and the toggles are correct on the 2500, then you can introduce the DCX.

I have my gain on the 2500 at almost the minimum setting to level match at 75db. I have hit 116db, (sub only) and my room is 8000 cubic/ft and my sub is sealed so you should have plenty of juice left in yours.

Oh and be careful if you bypass the DCX as it is also being used as your subsonic filter if I remember correctly.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Good Morning all,I'll start by saying I think I have something setup wrong,I have a loud hiss from my fronts turn everything off pull out the rca from pio sub out turn it back on no hiss deadly silent fronts so its in the dcx/2500 setup.when its all hooked up pio has crossover set at 80, fronts set small, LFE set at att 10, I dont know if they are all right but its the best sound so far,I dont get alot of sound from the subs until around -10 db and thats still not as much as I thought I would hear.when the master volume is changed from-3 to -2db there is a loud crackle pop heard in both subs and from -18db to about -8 db there is medium crackle and distortion at each increment ,-17,-16,-15,so on and so on until about -8db than nothing until the louder noise at-3db to -2 db.The input is set to A only with the gain set at 4,the outputs are 1 and 4 as they are both the L on the LMHLMH 1 thru 6 their gains are at 0 the two outputs are in the ten oclock position.with the fronts on I really have to crank this up to know that there is a sub so in that aspect I cant have this setup right can I ??
Connection is very simple. Reciever RCA outs to adapter cable to XLR input to DCX. DCX output to EP2500. I assume you have no mains amp hooked to the DCX; that is, your using the DCX only for subs.

It seems like you may have a defective DCX based on your comments about crackle/hiss/distortion sounds. I know that the primary defective trend in a DCX is a crackle/hiss/distortion sound output. If you ordered that DCX from zzounds.com (that I often recommend) they will probably ship out a new unit to you before you even send the defective unit back.

-Chris

-Chris
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Although I am not the audio tech like some I think I'm gonna have to agree with Chris,this DCX has some issues the crackling and hum/hiss,a strange noise to say the least only happens when the DCX is hooked up,then crackling and popping noises when I increase the volume.The biggest mistake now ,I went E-Bay on this piece so probably got beat,but thats the chance we take to save a couple a bucks,my ignorance to the whole warranty thing, DOH,:eek:.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
You say the hiss is through your main speakers though and the crackle when you change the volume on your pioneer, i dont see how the dcx can be defective with that information. Pretty much all recievers use digital volume control and i have heard quite a few times crackles or something similar when using such a type of volume control. It could be that somehow your shorting the output of your pioneer's sub out with the way its hooked up which could possbily cause similar problems.

What are you using for your XLR to RCA cable? There are a couple of ways it can be wired and if not done properly your going to have problems.

One more thing is that on the EP2500, I know alot of users only set the "gain" knob to like halfway or so and it seems to work fine for them. I keep the knobs on my sub amps all the way, both when i had the EP2500 and with the ones I have now. This way when everything is setup the sub amp acts more like a power amp would without first attenuating the input signal.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
You say the hiss is through your main speakers though and the crackle when you change the volume on your pioneer, i dont see how the dcx can be defective with that information. Pretty much all recievers use digital volume control and i have heard quite a few times crackles or something similar when using such a type of volume control. It could be that somehow your shorting the output of your pioneer's sub out with the way its hooked up which could possbily cause similar problems.

What are you using for your XLR to RCA cable? There are a couple of ways it can be wired and if not done properly your going to have problems.

One more thing is that on the EP2500, I know alot of users only set the "gain" knob to like halfway or so and it seems to work fine for them. I keep the knobs on my sub amps all the way, both when i had the EP2500 and with the ones I have now. This way when everything is setup the sub amp acts more like a power amp would without first attenuating the input signal.
Thanks again Haoleb,I am using an XRM-105 interconnect RCA to XLR 3 feet long by Live Wire from sub out on pio to input A on the DCX then number 1 and 4 outputs from the DCX to the the 2500 the interconnects for that connection are 3 foot long Dcx to Dcx Microphone cable by LIVEWIRE also.then from the 2500 to the subs I have 14 awg speakons to banana one is 6 foot long and the other is 16 foot long.The difference in length is because my units are not centered in the room. I have the gain on the input A set at 4 Thanks
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
I hope I am wrong about the DCX being defective! I would hate for the user to have to go through getting it fixed since he bought it from ebay.

BTW, I am not very good at trouble shooting remotely - I grow impatient trying to provide the necessary detailed steps to the person to eliminate potential fault points.

-Chris
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
I hope I am wrong about the DCX being defective! I would hate for the user to have to go through getting it fixed since he bought it from ebay.

BTW, I am not very good at trouble shooting remotely - I grow impatient trying to provide the necessary detailed steps to the person to eliminate potential fault points.

-Chris
Well Chris maybe you can give me some more settings to try and see if I get a different result maybe its my use of the dcx thats causing the problems I am not familiar with its setup at all if not for Haoleb I would have resorted to heavy drinking by now.:D
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Where should my crossover in the pio be set at ? what should the LFE be set at OFF,ATT-0 or ATT-10 ??I have the mains on small are the cables I described right?? I am going to plug the 2500 and the dcx and the pio all into my APC 15 in a few minutes here and see if that makes any difference with the Hum/Hiss/Crackle noise.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
the LFE should probably be set at -0

Also, on the EP2500 you are using one channel per sub correct? Its not in bridged mode is it?
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
the LFE should probably be set at -0

Also, on the EP2500 you are using one channel per sub correct? Its not in bridged mode is it?
I just checked that and everything is in the off position relating to those switches on the back of the unit could it be a lower quality rca to xlr from pre-out sub to input A causing this hum,with everything powered up and master volume at -15 I turn off the pioneer 1015 unplug the sub out no hum ,I mean to say that with the 2500 on dcx on subs hooked up no hum at all only when the sub out gets plugged in then the hum is there in the mains and the subs,I changed the interconnect with another of the same type and the hum in the mains was greatly reduced but it is still in the subs.
Will a bad solder at the subs binding posts cause anything like this ,I was not thrilled with my soldering abilities but they seemed o.k.

I also still have the stock fan in the 2500 and it is loud but I dont feel as if its causing this.
Everything except for the Emo is plugged into the APC-15 and thats plugged into the same outlet as the Emo a dedicated 20 amp circuit
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I just checked that and everything is in the off position relating to those switches on the back of the unit could it be a lower quality rca to xlr from pre-out sub to input A causing this hum,with everything powered up and master volume at -15 I turn off the pioneer 1015 unplug the sub out no hum ,I mean to say that with the 2500 on dcx on subs hooked up no hum at all only when the sub out gets plugged in then the hum is there in the mains and the subs,I changed the interconnect with another of the same type and the hum in the mains was greatly reduced but it is still in the subs.
Will a bad solder at the subs binding posts cause anything like this ,I was not thrilled with my soldering abilities but they seemed o.k.

I also still have the stock fan in the 2500 and it is loud but I dont feel as if its causing this.
Everything except for the Emo is plugged into the APC-15 and thats plugged into the same outlet as the Emo a dedicated 20 amp circuit
I'm concerned with your soldering at this point. I suggest a Monoprice cable.
Though I don't see that causing a hum. A bad connector might do it though.

You need to isolate the 2500's ground form your AVR. You should have a strip for each part of the outlet divide the external amps to it and put your avr/processors on the other.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
You need to isolate the 2500's ground form your AVR. You should have a strip for each part of the outlet divide the external amps to it and put your avr/processors on the other.

If you did that they will still be on the same ground.


It very well could be you have a bad cable. A bad solder joint at your binding posts in the subs wont cause a ground loop, You may want to try the star grounding as I suggested as it might fix your hum issues.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
I was just thinking if it was my soldering wouldn't I hear the hum when the rca is unplugged from the receiver.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
If you did that they will still be on the same ground.


It very well could be you have a bad cable. A bad solder joint at your binding posts in the subs wont cause a ground loop, You may want to try the star grounding as I suggested as it might fix your hum issues.
Yes, but it would move the loop to outside of the power strip. I think that would kill it. I suggest a different plug altogether. But in my setup the sub is in front while everything else is in back. So it's much easier. Ground loops are a part of life in Subs.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Thanks to both of you tonite but read this, YAHOO ,I found the source it was the digital in from the Motorola dch3200 yep my HD converter box I did the unplug everything again and start over one thing at a time as soon as I plugged that cable in bang Hum Hiss so now how do I bring sound from the converter box to my receiver clean and pure.
 
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