I need more power

[fmw]

You're a 100% right on, don't let these clowns get to you. A $500.-- Amp vs. $15000.-- and no difference. I guess they all hang out a BB. They never heard good equipment. Seems like all they know is Denon_Onkyo-Polk and Klipsch which is worth about 10 cents on a Dollar.

Since we're busy bashing people let me pile on and tell you you are just as wrong as Frizz. I used be a high end audiphile with very expensive gear - VERY expensive gear. I have actually tested $15000 amplifiers against $500 amplifiers in bias controlled listening tests. I don't make these things up for effect. I've done over 50 bias controlled amplifier comparisons over the past 10 years. You have not. Your opinion is guesswork until you do. You provide opinions and beliefs. I provide facts and the truth. I've proven it to literally scores of audiophiles. I'll offer to prove it to you just like I did to Frizz. Any interest?

 

[MidnightSensi]

Okay, here is what you do to settle this.

One person makes a paypal account, each better places 10 bucks in the account. Then a thread is made where you guys convince us one way or the other and there is a poll on top to vote the right answer at the end. Winners double their money.

 

[walter duque]

Since we're busy bashing people let me pile on and tell you you are just as wrong as Frizz. I used be a high end audiphile with very expensive gear - VERY expensive gear. I have actually tested $15000 amplifiers against $500 amplifiers in bias controlled listening tests. I don't make these things up for effect. I've done over 50 bias controlled amplifier comparisons over the past 10 years. You have not. Your opinion is guesswork until you do. You provide opinions and beliefs. I provide facts and the truth. I've proven it to literally scores of audiophiles. I'll offer to prove it to you just like I did to Frizz. Any interest?

I think it's better for me to just get out of this one before it get's to ugly, I am just trying to have a little fun. Good night. And besides you don't know what I have done or not.

 

[zumbo]

This debate will continue til the end of time. It's your money. Blow it as you wish. I have certainly blown mine, and still don't understand why I get caught-up in a post that makes no difference to me.

I don't care if any of you blow 5k on an amp. Everyone can buy one model-up receiver, and be blown away by it's dynamic sound. It's good for the economy.

 

[zumbo]

Okay, here is what you do to settle this.

One person makes a paypal account, each better places 10 bucks in the account. Then a thread is made where you guys convince us one way or the other and there is a poll on top to vote the right answer at the end. Winners double their money.

The proof is out there. Hell, it's in my HT.

 

[PENG]

I'll offer to prove it to you just like I did to Frizz. Any interest?

Leave them in Placebo land, it works for them.

 

[jamie2112]

X 2 on that Zummy..

 

[PENG]

I think it's better for me to just get out of this one before it get's to ugly, I am just trying to have a little fun. Good night. And besides you don't know what I have done or not.

Thank goodness!! Please go right ahead, thanks again.

 

[fmw]

I think it's better for me to just get out of this one before it get's to ugly, I am just trying to have a little fun. Good night. And besides you don't know what I have done or not.

I do in this case. Good night.

 

[cfrizz]

With Audiogon, flea markets on forums, ebay, etc. No one has to spend 5k on ANY piece of gear. I didn't come close to spending that on BOTH of my Sunfire pieces.

So people can easily get better gear for their money, and they aren't blowing it. They are simply spending as they wish.

This debate will continue til the end of time. It's your money. Blow it as you wish. I have certainly blown mine, and still don't understand why I get caught-up in a post that makes no difference to me.

I don't care if any of you blow 5k on an amp. Everyone can buy one model-up receiver, and be blown away by it's dynamic sound. It's good for the economy.

 

[zumbo]

With Audiogon, flea markets on forums, ebay, etc. No one has to spend 5k on ANY piece of gear. I didn't come close to spending that on BOTH of my Sunfire pieces.

So people can easily get better gear for their money, and they aren't blowing it. They are simply spending as they wish.

Your pre-pro is out-of-date. Blown money.
I dig your amp. Honestly.
I spend as I wish in this hobby as well.
I consider it blowing, as every component in my system works great.
Yet, I upgrade continuously.

Can you list for the members in this thread what makes your Sunfire equipment "better gear"?

 

[WmAx]

A few years ago class D amps were used only with subwoofers because subs have a high level of distortion so you couldn't hear the distortion in the amplifier itself. Today, class D amps are as clean as a whistle as the specs to the Yamaha pro amp show.

Uhm, just a minor correction.... the Yamaha pro amps (Pxx00S series) are not class D. They use standard class AB output stages and gain their high efficiency by a hybrid variable power supply system that continually adjusts the rail supply voltage to what is needed on demand. Also, the THD specs given are for a high output power conditions. In actual use, distortion is far far lower than the spec would lead one to believe; this is the case with MOST amplifier specs.

-Chris

 

[WmAx]

That's because it's a pro amp meant for concerts & what not. Small, ugly, but light weight oh and of course cheap.

The Emotiva will give you the power boost that you need. The sound won't change, (that is not an amplifiers purpose) there will just be a lot more of it being pushed out effortlessly.

Knowing and hearing your speakers operate to their full potential will bring a smile to your face!

I can assure you that those Yamaha pro amps are superb and fit for a 1st class audiophile class system. They are my current source of amplification(I use 3 of them - one for low, mids and highs in a full active system) and early on I started out with McIntosh amplification - which the only benefit I can find is the attractive cosmetics. But I get a lot more power(real performance) out of the pro amps for dollars spent. I don't really see any substantial difference in build quality either - it's just the external chassis that looks fancy on the McIntosh.

-Chris

 

[cfrizz]

My prepro has all the functions that I want it to have, therefore it is not blown money.

Thank you, I like my amp as well.

Yes, you probably are blowing your money since you are constantly upgrading. I don't.

Now that I have all the peices of gear that I want I will keep them till they die. My last complete system remained the same for 15 years!

For ME, I prefer separates over a receiver, which I consider to be better.

Naturally, everyone's opinions will differ from this, which is just fine. I couldn't care less what anyone on here thinks about my system.

My whole point is, I don't interject my opinion on people who are shopping for receivers, telling them that separates are better. That is what they want so let them get it.

I just wish the majority of you would do the same when it comes to people who come on asking for amplifier reccommendations. Let those of us who like & use amps provide the info that the person needs.

That way all this bickering will end.

Your pre-pro is out-of-date. Blown money.
I dig your amp. Honestly.
I spend as I wish in this hobby as well.
I consider it blowing, as every component in my system works great.
Yet, I upgrade continuously.

Can you list for the members in this thread what makes your Sunfire equipment "better gear"?

 

[zumbo]

So, in other words, you can't tell the members why your Sunfire equipment is "better gear"?

Don't get me wrong here, I am not knocking your equipment at all. But your pre-pro is not up-to-date. I see you accept that, so your system will not go any farther. Seems like you would be done here.

 

[fmw]

Uhm, just a minor correction.... the Yamaha pro amps (Pxx00S series) are not class D. They use standard class AB output stages and gain their high efficiency by a hybrid variable power supply system that continually adjusts the rail supply voltage to what is needed on demand. Also, the THD specs given are for a high output power conditions. In actual use, distortion is far far lower than the spec would lead one to believe; this is the case with MOST amplifier specs.

-Chris

Then they must be more like a class H. What confused me was this quote from the Yamaha website. "Class-AB sound quality, response and power with class-D efficiency. Exclusive Yamaha EEEngine (patented) technology delivers unprecedented performance in a range of stereo, multi-channel, and high-impedance amplifier models."

 

[fmw]

Naturally, everyone's opinions will differ from this, which is just fine. I couldn't care less what anyone on here thinks about my system.

You write as though you care a lot.

My whole point is, I don't interject my opinion on people who are shopping for receivers, telling them that separates are better. That is what they want so let them get it.

Like anyone else, you can offer any opinion you like. I don't remember anybody trying sell the OP a receiver. What we were trying to do was to suggest some amplifier options which, apparently, you didn't like. The receiver came up when you wanted to suggest that power was somehow different with an amp outside of a receiver than one inside a receiver. I was only trying to correct your misconception.

I just wish the majority of you would do the same when it comes to people who come on asking for amplifier reccommendations. Let those of us who like & use amps provide the info that the person needs.

That way all this bickering will end.

If this were your personal forum then I would respect your request. But it is a public forum from what I can tell. Perhaps you can get the owners of the site to ban me. Then I won't be able to post anything that disagrees with you.

 

[cfrizz]

Zumbo I don't know what you want me to say. It is better gear for ME. Whether it is or not for someone else, only they can say. I don't need to prove a damn thing to anyone on here.

There is NO rule that everyone HAS to have the latest, greatest, newest whatever that comes out on to the market.

I stay around to try to help other people get the best sound that they can out of their gear by helping them realize that there are many avenues to explore beyond just the newest receivers bells & whistles. Or by adding something along with that receiver will enhance their system immensely.

But it seems that some on here have a bad case of reverse snobbery. They for some reason bitter that they bought "hi end gear" and spent god knows how much money, that now that they know "the truth" they have to talk everyone out of going higher up the ladder.

The world exists with millions of different truths, if someone comes on here thinking & asking about exploring a different truth, they should be allowed to do so without being ganged up on by the pack who don't believe in that truth

But that is always a problem on these forums, sooner or later the most vocal develop a pack mentality & take it upon themselves to convert newbies to think like the pack or try to chase off others who are outside the pack. And don't want to be part of the pack. And that's just sad!

I'm out on this particular thread. There is enough info on here for the OP to make up his own mind now!

So, in other words, you can't tell the members why your Sunfire equipment is "better gear"?

Don't get me wrong here, I am not knocking your equipment at all. But your pre-pro is not up-to-date. I see you accept that, so your system will not go any farther. Seems like you would be done here.

 

[zumbo]

So, in other words, the gig is up.

Mucho-dollar gear doesn't translate to "better gear".

As you can see here, the member was not able to give 1 valid reason why their mucho-dollar gear recommendation was "better gear".

I took the members statement, and asked them to prove it. Instead of proving it, the member decided to quit. And in classic form, I look like the bad guy.

Nuf said.

 

[mtrycrafts]

And in classic form, I look like the bad guy.

Nuf said.

About time I have some help in that arena

Maybe he should have said it that it was better for him because it cost mucho dineros and the economy keeping those folks employed.