Ugliest speakers ever

[j_garcia]

Those are the expensive ring radiator tweeters. Something like $800/pr. IIRC. Nice looking speakers, but I thought this thread was about ugly ones? I think THESE are ugly:

 

[jwenthold99]

Those are the expensive ring radiator tweeters. Something like $800/pr. IIRC. Nice looking speakers, but I thought this thread was about ugly ones?

http://www.bmm-electronics.com/Product.asp?Product_ID=3706

These drivers are NOT in the ugly department

 

[haraldo]

Those are the expensive ring radiator tweeters. Something like $800/pr. IIRC. Nice looking speakers, but I thought this thread was about ugly ones? I think THESE are ugly:

Thanks for bringing the thread back on track, Sheep got me into this sidetrack
Well Bose doesn't only know how to make poor performing speakers, how is it possible to make bot so ugly and poor performing speakers ?

 

[yettitheman]

How about these beauties?

Every bit cheap and wonderful.

Not your cup of tea? How about the matching center channel/cd player/footstool?

^Those actually worked..... LOL.

 

[yettitheman]

I also can't rule out my first "HIGH END" attempt at electrostats:

Needless to say, they had a slight rattle at..oh.. pick a frequency

 

[haraldo]

How about these beauties?

Every bit cheap and wonderful.

Not your cup of tea? How about the matching center channel/cd player/footstool?

^Those actually worked..... LOL.

Wohow, real beauties

 

[yettitheman]

/thread lol

 

[haraldo]

The MBL speakers are from a different world, literally speaking

Words are unnecessary

http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1004mbl/

 

[Spkr_Bldr]

Hahaha! Those are classic ... gives me new ideas for future designs

 

[Spkr_Bldr]

http://www.bmm-electronics.com/Product.asp?Product_ID=3706

These drivers are NOT in the ugly department

I got a nice package deal on mine

 

[haraldo]

Those are the expensive ring radiator tweeters. Something like $800/pr. IIRC.

Interesting to realize though, how some people go backwards in time.....

Earlier versions of Audio Physic Avanti used exclusively custom Vifa Ring radiators, not the expensive Scan speak model.... but some modified version of the Vifa XT Ring radiator I think

Now Audio Physic have stepped away from the ring radiator and using solely soft domes for these speakers, and the reason I have been told, HOLD ON:
Audio Physic cannot find midrange drivers that are "quick enough" to match the ring radiator so they cannot make the transition work properly, so instead of improving their systems, they go back in time.....

Change for slower tweeters so that they better match the slow midrange drivers.....

Hell.... talk about improvement..... UGLY if you ask me

 

[Spkr_Bldr]

I would have a hard time believing that Audio Physic went away from the Revelator ring radiators for any reason other than to pad their profit margins. The flux density and acceleration factor on the Vifa and Scan ring radiators are nearly identical, so is the moving mass. I doubt one is faster than the other. I've also used both in designs, and measured them extensively. I'd have to look again at measurements, but I doubt there's any real difference in 'speed'.

Where did you get that they switched for that reason?

 

[haraldo]

I would have a hard time believing that Audio Physic went away from the Revelator ring radiators for any reason other than to pad their profit margins. The flux density and acceleration factor on the Vifa and Scan ring radiators are nearly identical, so is the moving mass. I doubt one is faster than the other. I've also used both in designs, and measured them extensively. I'd have to look again at measurements, but I doubt there's any real difference in 'speed'.

Where did you get that they switched for that reason?

The boss of the main distributor of Audio Physic in Norway said that he had that from Audio Physic chief designer himself..... he talks to him regularly.....

He has millions of dollars of Audio Physic equipment in the store, and it's the main product they sell.... besides incredibly expensive Burmester, Krell and other high profile brands.

Profit margins are of course important but they cannot tell that to customers, but just the fact that they say that they change to slower tweeters, is surprising.......

 

[TLS Guy]

Interesting to realize though, how some people go backwards in time.....

Earlier versions of Audio Physic Avanti used exclusively custom Vifa Ring radiators, not the expensive Scan speak model.... but some modified version of the Vifa XT Ring radiator I think

Now Audio Physic have stepped away from the ring radiator and using solely soft domes for these speakers, and the reason I have been told, HOLD ON:
Audio Physic cannot find midrange drivers that are "quick enough" to match the ring radiator so they cannot make the transition work properly, so instead of improving their systems, they go back in time.....

Change for slower tweeters so that they better match the slow midrange drivers.....

Hell.... talk about improvement..... UGLY if you ask me

This talk of fast speakers is nonsense! Just as fast bass is ridiculous. Transient response is purely related to frequency response and ringing (hangover).

There is not much to choose in terms of ringing when tweeters are operated in their design bandwidth, due to the fact that modern tweeters are damped with ferro fluid. So the choice of tweeter comes down frequency response on and off axis and resonant frequency.

The most important thing is the choice of drivers that will work well together, with a crossover that is not over complex. A cheaper tweeter may well sound better, than an expensive one when matched to a given driver, due to matching of off axis response and phase and time delay of the total design.

It is far better to select units that will blend well with a simple crossover, and have a seemless crossover on and off axis, with the least time, phase and lobing aberrations. This is MUCH more important than whether the tweeter is ring or otherwise.

 

[haraldo]

This talk of fast speakers is nonsense! Just as fast bass is ridiculous. Transient response is purely related to frequency response and ringing (hangover).

There is not much to choose in terms of ringing when tweeters are operated in their design bandwidth, due to the fact that modern tweeters are damped with ferro fluid. So the choice of tweeter comes down frequency response on and off axis and resonant frequency.

The most important thing is the choice of drivers that will work well together, with a crossover that is not over complex. A cheaper tweeter may well sound better, than an expensive one when matched to a given driver, due to matching of off axis response and phase and time delay of the total design.

It is far better to select units that will blend well with a simple crossover, and have a seemless crossover on and off axis, with the least time, phase and lobing aberrations. This is MUCH more important than whether the tweeter is ring or otherwise.

Very interesting, to hear that the most respected hi-fi dealer around here talks absolute nonsense

Thanks for clearing this up

 

[highfigh]

The sunny majestic is close to $100.000
I think the Wilson Alexandria is about $ 150.000

Not even close to a million, but severely overpriced if you ask me, the Wilson's uses "X" and "M" type cabinet materials that's sth like 25 times as expensive as mdf, It's not 25 times better than mdf, I even seriously doubt that it's better than mdf or plywood or whatever..... I'm quite sure that many of the current forums members could easily make designs that betters the Alexandia for less than a tenth the price of these incredible monsters......

If you look at measured performance, the frequency response looks something like grand canyon, very non-linear and the tweeter has significant resonances and rings like a whistle at 20KHz, don't tell me that we cannot hear such resonances.....

Well I don't have measurements of Alexandria, but look at the measured performance of Wilson Maxx 2, horrible !!!!
http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/805wilson/index4.html

How the h... can they call this a well engineered product !

-Harald

Apparently, they're engineered to generate profit and buzz among people who are interested in this kind of gear.

 

[highfigh]

This talk of fast speakers is nonsense! Just as fast bass is ridiculous. Transient response is purely related to frequency response and ringing (hangover).

There is not much to choose in terms of ringing when tweeters are operated in their design bandwidth, due to the fact that modern tweeters are damped with ferro fluid. So the choice of tweeter comes down frequency response on and off axis and resonant frequency.

The most important thing is the choice of drivers that will work well together, with a crossover that is not over complex. A cheaper tweeter may well sound better, than an expensive one when matched to a given driver, due to matching of off axis response and phase and time delay of the total design.

It is far better to select units that will blend well with a simple crossover, and have a seemless crossover on and off axis, with the least time, phase and lobing aberrations. This is MUCH more important than whether the tweeter is ring or otherwise.

Nice job of hitting the nail on the head. SIB-KISS comes to mind.

 

[haraldo]

The original Wilson WAMM's are real beauties.......

And so easy to hide away, for your spouse.....