which is the best way to break in surrounds and center speakers?

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mr_ro_co

Audiophyte
Welcome to the board:D

Audio myths, like other myths in consumerland, never seem to die, nor fade away like old soldiers;):D They just seem eternal:D

As you pointed out the weakness of your auto analogy, I cringe every time I see audio compared to a car :eek:
People hold dearly to their myths because otherwise they'd have to amend their world view, and that takes work. This is why people tend to throw the onus of proof on others, even when they don't intend on every changing their view.

I’ve had plenty of my myths shattered and so I try to remind myself that most of my assumptions are probably just that: Unchallenged assumptions.

Yes, good analogies are hard to come by, false or week analogies are everywhere and citing fact is often dismissed with "that's just your opinion, man." Welcome to the Internet! I'm just trying to do my part. ;)
 
R-Carpenter

R-Carpenter

Audioholic
Sarcasm is a good way of countering arrogance.
D'Appolito is the man I deeply respect and who's books and articles I read and I am not siting with him because he supports my opinion. It's the other way around. I pretty much take his opinion for granted. As I've said before, my limited measurements confirm it and so be it. I am not here to change your opinion or prove the fact. It's you who says: “And please don’t accost me with testimony about your personal measurements that prove me wrong. “, and where you are correct or incorrect, I find it arrogant. If I had a 100 drivers, enough time and care to prove or disprove this theory, I'd probably do it but I don't and simply measuring 2 or 4 drivers will not prove or disprove anything.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
Speakers are for listening, not doing meaningless tests that are NOT audible. That being said you go ahead and measure your 100 drivers and calculate your butt off and still not be able to pick which driver is broken in or not by listening to them. Numbers really don't mean jack squat. I am not looking for satisfaction for my measurements on paper, I am listening for my satisfaction. This is like beating a dead horse. Keep arguing the same thing over and over just makes you look like you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Thats not sarcasm by the way thats my Opinion.Arrogance, you are the one trying to force your point on everyone here . To me that is arrogance. You just keep contradicting yourself over and over. I am done with this thread and your useless arguement.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
I find some measurements quite helpful;)
I am of the opinion (use your ears) numbers are for reading. I can't hear your numbers.:eek: I can hear your speakers though. To many people reliy on specs numbers and charts. What happened, people forgot how to use their ears:eek::D:D

Measurements can be helpful in quite a few situations but listening should be the final judgment IMO of course......Ok now I am done.



Speaker break in is a myth use your ears....
 
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mr_ro_co

Audiophyte
Sarcasm is a good way of countering arrogance.
D'Appolito is the man I deeply respect and who's books and articles I read and I am not siting with him because he supports my opinion. It's the other way around. I pretty much take his opinion for granted. As I've said before, my limited measurements confirm it and so be it. I am not here to change your opinion or prove the fact. It's you who says: “And please don’t accost me with testimony about your personal measurements that prove me wrong. “, and where you are correct or incorrect, I find it arrogant. If I had a 100 drivers, enough time and care to prove or disprove this theory, I'd probably do it but I don't and simply measuring 2 or 4 drivers will not prove or disprove anything.
You don’t like a firmly asserted position, so you dismiss it as arrogant. You don’t like someone who bluntly states facts. That’s arrogant. You don’t like that. You counter this perceived arrogance with belittling sarcasm, using terms like “Mr. Expert” and “Professor,” because you don’t want to actually deal with cited references of widely accepted investigation on this matter because it doesn’t support your position.

So you’ll have to forgive my uncaring attitude towards the affront to your sensibilities that my unfortunate arrogance constitutes for you when you resort to name calling in your very first response to my post. And my favorite nugget in your last reply: “I am not here to change your opinion.”

I seem to hear this “that’s just your opinion” a lot these days from people who refuse to acknowledge facts. The widespread use of this tactic must be due to an education system that is failing to equip our populace with basic critical thinking skills.

As one of the most pompous, arrogant pseudo-intellectuals of our time was fond of saying: Let this be an opportunity for your education. A clearly stated position that is supported by factual references is usually called a factual argument. Not an opinion. An opinion is an articulated statement of preference.

Still not clear? Here, I’ll give you some examples.

Opinion: “I don’t think rehashing the loudspeaker break-in myth is useful.”

Fact: “Loudspeaker drivers reach their baseline TS parameters within seconds of signal application.”

How’s that for arrogance?

Finally, you refer to the loudspeaker break-in myth as a “theory” and indicate that you don’t have time and don’t care to prove or disprove it. Good news! It’s already been settled. Authorities on this issue like Pierce and Dunlavy (and there are many more) have tested thousands of drivers and complete loudspeakers over many years and have conducted formal, controlled studies, the findings of which are available to anyone. So no one is holding his breath waiting for you to prove or disprove anything. But hey, you are welcome to your opinion!
 
gliz

gliz

Full Audioholic
I just like to listen to the music or watch the movies and hear thee awesome bass!. no use getting you sox in a wad either way. I personally don't think that it take more than ten seconds to break in a speaker. But I like music better that the gear or fussing about stuff like that. In the long run it makes very little difference! For me it is all about the music not the gear. (although I do like the gear)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I am of the opinion (use your ears) numbers are for reading. I can't hear your numbers.:eek: I can hear your speakers though. To many people reliy on specs numbers and charts. What happened, people forgot how to use their ears:eek::D:D

Measurements can be helpful in quite a few situations but listening should be the final judgment IMO of course......Ok now I am done.



Speaker break in is a myth use your ears....
But I think you can hear the numbers, in a way. If that distortion number is high enough, tell me you won't hear that?;):D
Or, if that FR response deviates sufficiently from flat, you most likely will hear what those numbers represent:D
Or, any other measurement
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I just like to listen to the music or watch the movies and hear thee awesome bass!. no use getting you sox in a wad either way. I personally don't think that it take more than ten seconds to break in a speaker. But I like music better that the gear or fussing about stuff like that. In the long run it makes very little difference! For me it is all about the music not the gear. (although I do like the gear)
As it should be, unless one is a collector of TOYS:D You know, the one with the most wins, something;):D
 
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jsholland70

Audioholic Intern
They do break in and it can be heard on a direct comparison. Some speakers require a longer period than others while some sound as good out of the box than they ever will. It depends upon the materials used for one thing. Pink noise works well since it is a full bandwidth signal. If surround speakers are not installed yet simply face them toward each other, wired out of phase. Put on an radio station that has no signal and let them play for a while. If you just use them out of the box you most likely will not be disappointed.
 
R-Carpenter

R-Carpenter

Audioholic
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