Look at what UPS dropped off today!!

[gus6464]

Wow, I just have to get a listen to them then. Maybe down the road own some. Those are some very impressive speakers you are comparing the MBS-01's to. SVS knows what their doing. Kudos to them! Thanks for the info gus.

Cheers,

Phil

No problem. I think I am just spoiled by the Dali tweeter though. While the Dali get hot in the upper range, the air and separation they put out can get quite addicting. I am still trying to figure out if it's because of the ribbon or because of something else. I really wish I had a mic and mixer right now to measure the FR I get of the MBS-01 in my room. The room is rectangular and listening position is only 4ft away at the most so I doubt room interaction is affecting much.

 

[gus6464]

DejaVu, I listened to those speakers with that same cd

It's the same one you gave me the link to.

 

[Soundman]

Wow, I just have to get a listen to them then. Maybe down the road own some. Those are some very impressive speakers you are comparing the MBS-01's to. SVS knows what their doing. Kudos to them! Thanks for the info gus.

Cheers,

Phil

Wow! Just reading through this thread makes me think about auditioning a pair. I'm happy with my current HT speakers, but I thought about getting a pair for my PC in the other room.

 

[speakerman39]

No problem. I think I am just spoiled by the Dali tweeter though. While the Dali get hot in the upper range, the air and separation they put out can get quite addicting. I am still trying to figure out if it's because of the ribbon or because of something else. I really wish I had a mic and mixer right now to measure the FR I get of the MBS-01 in my room. The room is rectangular and listening position is only 4ft away at the most so I doubt room interaction is affecting much.

Nice gus, now I want to hear the Dali's too. There is no doubt I need to hear the SVS MBS-01's as soon as I can. I hope to have my tv paid for soon and may make a speaker change then. Of course, it will probably be next Spring of after before such a change takes place. Thanks once again for your thoughts on the MBS-01's.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Nuance AH]

A bunch of us (including warp) spent a bunch of time with the SVS 5.0 package, including the 01's. You can check out the group impressions in the official Wisconsin GTG thread over at AVS.

In short, I am very curious how gen 2 will sound. From what I've heard they have completely revamped the crossover, which is a good thing IMO.

 

[gus6464]

I have been reading the Wisconsin GTG thread over at AVS and there are some complaints about the MBS-01 which I am not hearing in my room. Everyone seems to mention boomy bass but I just can't hear it. Also all the other bookshelves that were heard have F3's at least 10Hz above the SVS. I have heard the Dynaudio Contour S.14 and it does not go very low at all. Could it be that the boomy bass being heard was just the ability of the MBS to go lower than the rest so everyone wasn't used to it?

The MBS are voiced very similar to the Dynaudio Focus (neutral) which could explain why everyone thought the midrange was recessed compared to Digms which are forward speakers like the Rockets (from what I have read). Dynaudio speakers tend to be a very acquired taste because of their very neutral nature so it's always best to audition. I own or have owned very laid back speakers (Dali) and very forward speakers (Epos, Mirage).

BTW I am not looking to start an argument over this so this is just my opinion.

 

[Adam]

Gus, with your experience, would you be able to compare the MBS-01s to any NHT speakers (preferably the 1.5 model)? Just curious.

Thanks.

 

[gus6464]

Gus, with your experience, would you be able to compare the MBS-01s to any NHT speakers (preferably the 1.5 model)? Just curious.

Thanks.

I have never been able to hear an NHT speaker. There is a dealer in Austin but they don't have any for audition.

I honestly think that anyone looking for some speakers should listen to Dynaudio and use them as point of reference. From listening to the Focus line one can see if they would prefer either a forward or laid back speaker.

I have been listening to some horrible recordings I have and the MBS sound like crap. Whereas other tracks like the DTS recording of the Swedish National Orchestra sound absolutely wonderful. I really hope the new SVS crossover didn't make the speaker sound more forward because it would really be a shame.

 

[croseiv]

Sure does sound like a great speaker. Reading this thread really makes me wnat some. I like the finish on them too. Blu-ray plyer first, then new receiver, so maybe sometime before I retire....

 

[gus6464]

Sure does sound like a great speaker. Reading this thread really makes me wnat some. I like the finish on them too. Blu-ray plyer first, then new receiver, so maybe sometime before I retire....

If you want to get an idea of how they sound see if there are any Dynaudio dealers in your area. The Focus 140 and MBS-01 sound very similar.

 

[Nuance AH]

I have been reading the Wisconsin GTG thread over at AVS and there are some complaints about the MBS-01 which I am not hearing in my room. Everyone seems to mention boomy bass but I just can't hear it. Also all the other bookshelves that were heard have F3's at least 10Hz above the SVS. I have heard the Dynaudio Contour S.14 and it does not go very low at all. Could it be that the boomy bass being heard was just the ability of the MBS to go lower than the rest so everyone wasn't used to it?

The MBS are voiced very similar to the Dynaudio Focus (neutral) which could explain why everyone thought the midrange was recessed compared to Digms which are forward speakers like the Rockets (from what I have read). Dynaudio speakers tend to be a very acquired taste because of their very neutral nature so it's always best to audition. I own or have owned very laid back speakers (Dali) and very forward speakers (Epos, Mirage).

BTW I am not looking to start an argument over this so this is just my opinion.

My main complaint wasn't the bass at all, but for what it's worth I listened to them in two different rooms. My issue was more with the midrange and crossover. They were a completely unpredictable speaker, sometimes sounding "just right" and others way off base. This with similar listening material no less. However, we were listening to the 01's mainly, and they were far from "neutral," sounding nothing like the Dyns. My opinion, of course.

I also am not trying to start an argument. I do look forward to hearing what the second revision sounds like. SVS revamped them and seemed to admit they could have done better, so it should be interesting.

P.S. My comments about the SVS speakers were not made in comparison to the other speakers at the GTG. I've listen to dozens of speakers, but my reference is live sound, and that is what I used to judge what I heard. I did not like them, but I'm just one guy. YMMV.

 

[Adam]

Really can't even begin to imagine just how good the LTS line is going to be.

Tales of the one called "the Speaker Man" are known far and wide. Stories of him are told to young speakers everywhere. Even before they receive their veneer, they know of him. Dreams of upgraded crossovers and gold binding posts dance in their heads. As speaker designs mature, though, they tend to become more skeptical, thinking that their manufacturers are the ones who really put in the extras.

Likewise, the LTS line is often spoken of, but so far never seen. They bring excitement, but it is tempered by the thought they might just be a paper design, so far from reality.

This is how I envision Phil's first encounter with the new LTS bookshelves (slightly altered, of course):

 

[mazersteven]

New Crossover

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=90463

 

[speakerman39]

Tales of the one called "the Speaker Man" are known far and wide. Stories of him are told to young speakers everywhere. Even before they receive their veneer, they know of him. Dreams of upgraded crossovers and gold binding posts dance in their heads. As speaker designs mature, though, they tend to become more skeptical, thinking that their manufacturers are the ones who really put in the extras.

Likewise, the LTS line is often spoken of, but so far never seen. They bring excitement, but it is tempered by the thought they might just be a paper design, so far from reality.

This is how I envision Phil's first encounter with the new LTS bookshelves (slightly altered, of course):

LOL.........you know Adam this is right on! I mean, why not just write a book and maybe we can make millions. Just think of how many more Ultras that would buy. Heck, might even be able to buy our own LTS factory. Who knows, it could even work into a movie deal. Hope all is well my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Adam]

New Crossover

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=90463

Hmmm. Interesting information. I back off on my nudge to get the new crossovers.

 

[Nuance AH]

New Crossover

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=90463

Hmm...perhaps I won't like this version either.

After reading what SVS had to say about these now being "great" speakers instead of "good" speakers, I expected better measurements though the midrange. However, we all know great measurements don't a great speaker make.

 

[gus6464]

New Crossover

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=90463

That's sad that they decided to bump the midrange up. Pretty much the best thing I like about the old crossover is now gone with the new ones.

 

[gus6464]

Hmm...perhaps I won't like this version either.

After reading what SVS had to say about these now being "great" speakers instead of "good" speakers, I expected better measurements though the midrange. However, we all know great measurements don't a great speaker make.

Actually it just means that most people prefer a colored speaker to an accurate one. This quote by IG over at soundandvision pretty much sums it all up.

"This is purely speculation, but I think most of the vocal enthusiasts simply don't truly listen to music. Rather, I get the impression most listen to their gear. There was nothing very "exciting" about the old version of the MBS-01 because what you heard with them was music. The new MBS-01 is almost exactly as Ed and Ron have described, more "detailed" (due to the slight cut in the midrange and the boost in the treble) with more "sheen" (boost in the treble). Neither of those characteristcs relfect realism or accuracy."

 

[mazersteven]

What is great if you already own a pair of these is. SVS will send you the new crossover. Then you can decide which sound you prefer. No penalty, no foul.

 

[Nuance AH]

Actually it just means that most people prefer a colored speaker to an accurate one. This quote by IG over at soundandvision pretty much sums it all up.

"This is purely speculation, but I think most of the vocal enthusiasts simply don't truly listen to music. Rather, I get the impression most listen to their gear. There was nothing very "exciting" about the old version of the MBS-01 because what you heard with them was music. The new MBS-01 is almost exactly as Ed and Ron have described, more "detailed" (due to the slight cut in the midrange and the boost in the treble) with more "sheen" (boost in the treble). Neither of those characteristcs relfect realism or accuracy."

Interesting. I fall into the music lover category, so I'd definitely prefer the speakers to just disappear and have the music before me. Words like "disappear" and "transparent" describe what I like. Unfortunately the version one 01's didn't do that for me. I heard speakers trying (but not achieving) to reproduce music rather than just the music...if that makes sense. I prefer accuracy.

Still, I think it's cool SVS is sending out the crossovers to the owners; that is customer service.

P.S. I love SVS subwoofers!