Building a home starting December. Various ideas/input wanted.

ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Well, my wife and I scored a nice bit of property in an upcoming subdivision. We’ve decided to go ahead and push our build date up a few months. Details, details, yada, yada. Bottom line is that the house we’re building will have a dedicated ‘theater room’ about 15x20’. I feel this is plenty of room. I’d like to go larger, but it’ll do.

I’ve got a plethora of ideas in my head and I need to start capturing them down on paper, so this thread will be my ‘therapy’ and catch-all. I’d really appreciate input where you can.

First, let me state that I do love movies/music. BUT, being realistic, this theater room won’t get used more than once a week; tops. It might occasionally be used to watch TV on (NCAA football/basketball) but that’s about it other than movies. Therefore, I’m not really into spending a terrible amount of money on prepwork (insulation, mainly). I’m considering going with a drywall-based sound insulation system. I’ve read a few sites and have found a few interesting companies. I’ll have to do some searching on the forums about them. Besides the drywall, I’ll do some wave-catching, acoustical foam treatments here and there. This will be the last thing to go in, as I need the speakers in place to determine where I need to place the foam pieces. I figure the KISS approach in this case is the best in most regards, and especially to the budget.
One concern I do have is the subwoofer frequencies permiating throughout the house, though. Being it’ll be on a top floor, I’d think this would definitely be an issue.
I will be prewiring. I’ll use terminals at every output in the wall. Basically run the wires behind the wall, and have a terminal where I would connect to the speaker. Would make things cleaner.
Lighting and carpet are a couple other things. Probably go with in-ceiling lighting. Carpet will be very plush to calm reflection.


As for TV I’m looking at rear or front projection. Obviously front has a larger screen, but rear (DLP LED) seems to be the best bang for the buck. Would definitely get something close to 70”+.


Speakers are a toss up at this point. I’ll be going 5.1. I have a set of Aperion 432 L/R’s in my 2-channel living room setup right now. I might use those for rear surrounds to save a few bucks, or I may just go with an all-new setup in the HT room. I have a local DIY guy who sells Scanspeak stuff and will be able to assist me should I go that route. I do like Scan drivers; have some in my car. I’ve heard a lot of DIY setups and Scan always is my favorite. The drawback to the DIY route is just that it’s DIY and would take a bit longer to get things up and running. If I don’t go this route I’m looking at Aperion. I’m happy with their product and pricing. Will definitely be looking into other options as well, such as Def Tech, av123, and a few others that pique my interest. I will say that $2k will probably be the limit with speakers. I'd really like to keep it at about $1500, though. Since my budget will be an 'overall', it would cushion other items as well. Subwoofer will be a DIY JL Audio 12w7. I have it left over from a car install. Might as well use it.

Receiver… who knows. I like Pioneer Elite, Denon, and Yamaha. I’d like to have something with auto-eq or a good bit of DSP for me to tune if it’s not auto. I have an RTA so it’ll help with manual tuning. But, auto-eq’s seem to have come a long way and if they’re priced *right* I’ll go that route. No pre-amp for me. Too much $, and most receivers will get the job done.


That should cover it for now. Again, this is a ‘thinking out loud’ thread, but I implore and encourage you guys to step in. I really want to do this right the first time.



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Location of equipment. If this will be in the back of the room then I need to have this set before wiring goes in the house. I like the idea of putting it behind everything. That way you won’t be distracted from the movie by the blue LED’s glowing on the receiver/dvd player. ;)
 
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ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
^ Thanks.

I'm happy about it. I want it to have a movie theater 'feel' so there will be some thought going into the ambience. I have quite a few movie posters. I'm thinking of doing in-ceiling lighting in the hallway and directing them down onto the posters as you come up the stairs.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
And one important thing to remember about HT rooms is the heat issue. With all the electronics, amp and projectors. Ventilation is an issue. These rooms can get very hot. Make sure you plan ahead to adequately A/C this room.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
And one important thing to remember about HT rooms is the heat issue. With all the electronics, amp and projectors. Ventilation is an issue. These rooms can get very hot. Make sure you plan ahead to adequately A/C this room.
Nice. I'll definitely talk that over with my contractor (father-in-law) :D

Thanks.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I want it to have a movie theater 'feel' so there will be some thought going into the ambience. I have quite a few movie posters. I'm thinking of doing in-ceiling lighting in the hallway and directing them down onto the posters as you come up the stairs.
www.htmarket.com
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
And one important thing to remember about HT rooms is the heat issue. With all the electronics, amp and projectors. Ventilation is an issue. These rooms can get very hot. Make sure you plan ahead to adequately A/C this room.
Yeah, I need to remember the A/C.

My current room gets kind of hot, especially in the Summer!

My list in addition to Awesome A/C & Ventilation + Acoustic Panels:

1) Two 20-amp circuits dedicated
2) High Ceiling (13-15 ft)
3) Big size (500-800 s.f.)
4) Good insulation (decrease noise leaking to other rooms)
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Another good guy for all this movie theater prop stuff is Majorloser.
I need to talk with my wife and set a budget. A while back I tied myself to $5k for EVERYTHING. I'm thinking now that $8k is probably more in line with what I want.

Just a very ROUGH estimate, and let me know if you'd change things:
$2 - 3k - Video (DLP, projector/screen, etc)
$1.5 - 2k - Speakers
$1k - Receiver
$0.5 - 1k - Props

All other stuff, like drywall, furniture, lighting will be part of the build cost. Hopefully the budget enforcer will agree with that.


FWIW, I'll be buying used wherever I can. Hope to catch a good used receiver. I have quite a while to keep an eye out.
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Yeah, I need to remember the A/C.

My current room gets kind of hot, especially in the Summer!

My list in addition to Awesome A/C & Ventilation + Acoustic Panels:

1) Two 20-amp circuits dedicated
2) High Ceiling (13-15 ft)
3) Big size (500-800 s.f.)
4) Good insulation (decrease noise leaking to other rooms)
1) could look in to
2) Can't do that. Plans are set. I believe it's 9' ceilings. not happy about it, but can't do much as it's on the top floor.
3) 15x20 = 300sq ft. Might be able to change it up a bit and use the attic space.
4) Definately
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
I think for now we're just going to have 4 seats. Probably one row to start with. Bring in some cheap Target beanbags for others. ;)


I just started browsing receivers and to my surprise, most of what I want can be had for under $1k. I like the look of Denon receivers and found this one for $675 from Dakmart on e-bay.
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?showAll=N&g=10420&i=033AV2808C&tp=179

I'm thinking by the time I'm ready to buy this stuff, I could probably get away with $700 on a receiver and be doing fine. Heck, my budget may not be as high as I thought.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
HT and house wiring

Since you are building a house, make sure you get all the wiring right the first time. It is easy to upgrade furniture or gear down the road.

* Run speaker wiring for 7.1 (or more) speakers with multiple sub locations.
* Run HDMI to the front of room and ceiling locations. Run a few analog A/V cables and cat5 for good measue and consider installing conduit for future upgrade.
* Designate a closet or location for all your gear. It is nice if you can access the back for wiring.
* Consider 2 layers of drywall with acoustic calk inbetween for added noise isolation. If the room is a basement, consider a floating floor or thick carpet with extra pad.
* DIY room treatments are a cheap upgrade to the room acoustics.
* Make sure the HT room has good light control

* run 14/4 speaker wire and cat5 from a central location to a low voltage box in every room for a VC or keypad. Run 14/2 x 2 from the VC to future in-ceiling speaker locations. With wiring in place for a future distributed audio system, you can enjoy music throughout the house every day, not just once a week.

* Run RG6 coax and consider other video distribution options throught the house.

With all of the wiring in place and construction under way, you can worry about specific gear for the HT. If I had a dedicated room with good light control I would definately consider front projection with a >100" screen. There are some good 720p models for around $1k and 1080p for >$2k.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think for now we're just going to have 4 seats. Probably one row to start with. Bring in some cheap Target beanbags for others. ;)


I just started browsing receivers and to my surprise, most of what I want can be had for under $1k. I like the look of Denon receivers and found this one for $675 from Dakmart on e-bay.
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?showAll=N&g=10420&i=033AV2808C&tp=179

I'm thinking by the time I'm ready to buy this stuff, I could probably get away with $700 on a receiver and be doing fine. Heck, my budget may not be as high as I thought.
Here is the Denon AVR-988 (2808 equivalent) @ ecost for $421:

http://www.ecost.com/Detail/Receivers/Denon/AVR988+REF/39388170.aspx
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Let’s pretend that one day I’ll actually have a home theater… well, should have one in May/June.
I'll definately keep this updated as things progress with the house. Framing should start late this month and we're shooting to be moved in by May.


Originally, I thought the budget was going to be quite nice; enough to accommodate a nice mcintosh amp, denon pre/pro, and some scanspeak fronts, using my current bookshelves for surrounds in 5.1.

Well, the times, they are a changing, and so is my budget. It’s not set in stone, but it definitely has taken a hit. Thus, I’m being more sensible about things, but at the same time, I do want the higher-end gear (honesty, right?).


For now, I’m just trying to nail down the basics.
1. 5.1, no 7.1 I don’t have the budget, nor do I have the need. BUT, I am going to wire everything for 7.1 for resale value/future proofing.

2. No sound deadening/isolation. This room is the ONLY room on the top floor. I don’t really care if other rooms hear it. I’ll definitely stuff the walls with as much insulation as I can, but I’m not going the route of vinyl and floating walls. I might experiment with bass traps, but that’s probably where I’ll stop. I just don’t see the use in it right now, nor do I have the budget.

3. Video: Still trying to decide between rear projection (DLP) or front projection. I’ve found a solid Epson projector I like for a good price. But, quite honestly, these guys are somewhat in the same price ballpark. I could get a 72” Samsung DLP (LED) and be done with it. Plus it would go with me. But, the front projection seems like a good selling point, too. Either would be fairly easy to upgrade.

4. Power!!! I wanted as much as I could get, so this was where I planned to spend some good money. I really like Denon receivers and am considering the avr-4308ci or 3808ci. Haven’t had a chance to see the REAL differences other than 10w/channel and wireless vs. LAN. I do want auto EQ. Wireless would be nice, but not detrimental (streaming music from PC).

5. Speakers: I think I can still do a DIY scanspeaker L/R/C setup, but not 100%. Quite honestly, that’ll probably be one of the last things I put in. I could always go the buy it and try it route, with other brands, too. Subwoofer will likely be a DIY JL 12w7 with a plate attached to it. Had even considered going with 2 12w7’s, but that’ll be at a later time. Will pre-wire for this, though.

6. Construction/wiring. I’m going to run some 2” conduit (father in law has HUNDREDS of feet he’ll give me) for future proofing wiring runs. I’m going to add one of these for making the runs a bit cleaner, and also add a terminal at every point in the room where I need speaker wire to come out of the wall, rather than just having a hole in the wall with speaker wire, or running wire under carpet. I think it’ll be a nice touch, and won’t cost me much more than $30 to do. I also plan to leave a few boxes blanked out for future upgrades.
The A/V rack will be in the back of the room and house the receiver, BD player, PC, and maybe a cable box.

I’m thinking of running cat5 cable throughout the house to the main rooms, so I don’t necessarily have to worry about wireless. Either that, or I buy a wireless repeater for my router.

Btw, the room is ~ 25x25x8’. Upstairs directly above the garage. Carpeted floor. A few acoustical panels here and there to help smooth out the FR.

If I could do this all for under $5-6k, I’d be VERY happy.


Thoughts, opinions?
 
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XEagleDriver

XEagleDriver

Audioholic Chief
Sub isolation for upstairs applications

2. No sound deadening/isolation. This room is the ONLY room on the top floor. I don’t really care if other rooms hear it. I’ll definitely stuff the walls with as much insulation as I can, but I’m not going the route of vinyl and floating walls. I might experiment with bass traps, but that’s probably where I’ll stop. I just don’t see the use in it right now, nor do I have the budget.
Erin,

I suggest you at least consider placing your sub(s) on one of these (or similar) for only about $50:
Auralex GRAMMA Amplifier and Monitor Isolation Platform

My upstairs media room was built with standard drywall construction and you could hear/feel the sub through most of the house during typical movie volumes. It didn't really bother me, until my "audio $$ upgrade approval authority" pointed out plaster pops over some of the drywall screws in adjacent rooms. She was not happy. :eek:

Put the sub on an isolation platform and it greatly reduced transfered vibrations, noticeably quited the rumble in the rest of the house, and most importantly protected future upgrade $$ options. SQ in the media room was not negatively affected. :)

There is a larger size for larger subs for about $100:
Auralex Great GRAMMA Speaker Isolation Platform

Available at Musician's Friend, ZZsounds, among others . . .
 
ErinH

ErinH

Audioholic General
Thanks for that suggestion!

I might go the route of a high-STC rated drywall, but plans of making a floating floor and vinyl on the walls is now officially out the window.
 
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