best receiver

[billy p]

Its funny what people read into a thread. I said best amplifier section. I didn't say best A/V receiver.

What speaker would intagrate well with a NAD in your opinion? JK I already know you answer. BTW I choose my curerent receiver over that NAD T753 because if it where only about the music, than I wouldn't go with an AVR.

 

[Seth=L]

I used NAD's histortical performance of them consistently beating their advertised specs by a large margin and I used interpolation to arrive at my conclusion.



More and likely? Who's speculating now? Geez, I say one thing against Yamaha and Denon and you guys are over me liek flypaper. FACT is NAD consistently beat their advertised specs, Denon and Yamaha did not. Fact is, NADs power supplies are more robust than Denon or Yamaha whether you like ot hear it or not.



I agree. Seperates offer better performance than NAD, Yamaha, and Denon's flagship model. I never disputed that fact and have been advocating this ever since I joined this site. But I got beat up for that statement too but it turns out I was correct after all.

I don't see how you could even think you are "right", unless you are completely blind. Enjoy your completely subjective view, hopefully it won't make you go broke.

I was attempting to get this thread back on track (by finding the best receiver out there) for the OP. But when dimwitted people intervene with a thread inserting incorrect information based on personal bias to a corporation I felt the need to put them in their place. Clearly putting the blind in their place isn't possible.

 

[3db]

I don't see how you could even think you are "right", unless you are completely blind. Enjoy your completely subjective view, hopefully it won't make you go broke.

I was attempting to get this thread back on track (by finding the best receiver out there) for the OP. But when dimwitted people intervene with a thread inserting incorrect information based on personal bias to a corporation I felt the need to put them in their place. Clearly putting the blind in their place isn't possible.

Money wasn't object apparently for the OP but I guess you forgot that.

Nice personal shot Seth. I didn't expect this from you of all people. Its too bad a difference of opinions has a brought this side out of you.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Its funny what people read into a thread. I said best amplifier section. I didn't say best A/V receiver.

The NAD may have the best Amp section. Who knows? However, unless we get a head-to-head comparison (like AH's Z11 vs 5308), we cannot prove that NAD has the best amplifier section based on extrapolated values. And we cannot prove that the Denon or Yamaha as better amps than the NAD.

And remember, the OP asked for the Best Receiver, not the best Amplifier Section in a Receiver.

Gene probably thinks the Denon 5805 has the best Amp section in a receiver.

It is a valid statement to say that you think the NAD is has the best amp section. But do you think the NAD is the best receiver?

Contenders IMO:

We have Pioneer Elite SC-09TX:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.SC-09TX.Kuro?tab=B

Denon AVR-5308CI:
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3755.asp

Yamah RX-Z11:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=558249

 

[itschris]

Take it easy there big guy. That might be a little overkill there for these speakers.

THat may be, but his wasn't isn't:

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/mcintosh-mc252-power-amplifier.asp

SWEEET

 

[markw]

Actually...

I was attempting to get this thread back on track (by finding the best receiver out there) for the OP.

...from his lack of serious input here ("It's gotta be 10x better than the rest") and the fire-fight he's started among the indiginous peoples here, I'm inclined to give him the troll-of-the-month award.

 

[Seth=L]

...from his lack of serious input here ("It's gotta be 10x better than the rest") and the fire-fight he's started among the indiginous peoples here, I'm inclined to give him the troll-of-the-month award.

Sure, sure. I just snapped because I tire of this fanboy crap. Fanboys can go home somewhere.

 

[Seth=L]

Money wasn't object apparently for the OP but I guess you forgot that.

Nice personal shot Seth. I didn't expect this from you of all people. Its too bad a difference of opinions has a brought this side out of you.

Yes, it's personal. I personally find your line of logic remedial. I apologize if that makes you think ill of me, but I don't really care. If I make my case, and I present it clearly you will still debate that which isn't debatable. It just illustrates your lack of vision. When you shed your "knowledge" on others about PSB or NAD when it's clear that you are basing your recommendation on no solid fact.

I say IHF is an improper institution to rate from, you don't argue against it. Instead you begin a new argument or just ignore the fact the IHF is a poor standard. I compared the lower line NAD you mentioned to an Onkyo that is less expensive with more features that outguns the NAD in real world conditions. Again, you didn't present a logical argument against that. You just dismissed it stating it wasn't the receiver you where talking about initially.

Any intelligent comments?

 

[3db]

Yes, it's personal. I personally find your line of logic remedial. I apologize if that makes you think ill of me, but I don't really care. If I make my case, and I present it clearly you will still debate that which isn't debatable. It just illustrates your lack of vision. When you shed your "knowledge" on others about PSB or NAD when it's clear that you are basing your recommendation on no solid fact.

I say IHF is an improper institution to rate from, you don't argue against it. Instead you begin a new argument or just ignore the fact the IHF is a poor standard. I compared the lower line NAD you mentioned to an Onkyo that is less expensive with more features that outguns the NAD in real world conditions. Again, you didn't present a logical argument against that. You just dismissed it stating it wasn't the receiver you where talking about initially.

Any intelligent comments?

1.) If you look back at alot of my speaker posts, I did recommend PSB but I also mentioned in alot of these posts that the sound may not be for everyone and that speaker purchase is subjective so leave PSB out of this thread.

2.) If you knew that I may missed an arguement, you could have reitterated your point and try to get me to understand it. I explained where I was coming from but I guess your remedial logic prevented you from trying to clarify your point of view. You imediately thru in the Onkyo post. I used the older model as an example of how NAD underates their amplifier sections since there are no independent tests done yet on the new NAD. Yes, the Onkyo outguns the NAD in features.

3.) You also came across very strong in your 1st rebuttal. If someone has urinated in your cornflakes, don't take it out others. Suck it up princess and be a bigger person for it.

 

[Seth=L]

1.) If you look back at alot of my speaker posts, I did recommend PSB but I also mentioned in alot of these posts that the sound may not be for everyone and that speaker purchase is subjective so leave PSB out of this thread.

2.) If you knew that I may missed an arguement, you could have reitterated your point and try to get me to understand it. I explained where I was coming from but I guess your remedial logic prevented you from trying to clarify your point of view. You imediately thru in the Onkyo post. I used the older model as an example of how NAD underates their amplifier sections since there are no independent tests done yet on the new NAD. Yes, the Onkyo outguns the NAD in features.

3.) You also came across very strong in your 1st rebuttal. If someone has urinated in your cornflakes, don't take it out others. Suck it up princess and be a bigger person for it.

You should know, I enjoy debating. For clarification, I am not angry.

The Onkyo outguns in features, price, and real world performance (in terms of power). The only advantage that NAD has is preouts. The big killer for the NAD is it weighs 53 pounds and has comparative power specs to a sub 30 pound AVR, wtf?

I also find it very funny that you where arguing with PENG, who is an expert on amplifiers.

 

[3db]

You should know, I enjoy debating. For clarification, I am not angry.

The Onkyo outguns in features, price, and real world performance (in terms of power). The only advantage that NAD has is preouts. The big killer for the NAD is it weighs 53 pounds and has comparative power specs to a sub 30 pound AVR, wtf?

I also find it very funny that you where arguing with PENG, who is an expert on amplifiers.

He understood where I was coming from so I will read-up on your points as i take this as a learning exercise.

 

[billy p]

You should know, I enjoy debating. For clarification, I am not angry.

The Onkyo outguns in features, price, and real world performance (in terms of power). The only advantage that NAD has is preouts. The big killer for the NAD is it weighs 53 pounds and has comparative power specs to a sub 30 pound AVR, wtf?

I also find it very funny that you where arguing with PENG, who is an expert on amplifiers.

He'll give you crap for calling him an expert.lol. I have bounced a few question off Peng and he is a very knowledgeable guy and FWIW I'd buy what he is selling.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

HTM head-to-head:

YAMAHA RXV-Z11:
HQV 90/130, 20 Hz – 20 kHz +/- 0.0dB, THD 0.007%, SNR 107dB, Crosstalk -99dB, 387wpc @4 ohms.

DENON AVR-5308CI:
HQV 130/130, 20 Hz – 20 kHz +/-0.0dB, THD 0.004%, SNR 110dB, Crosstalk -92dB, 339wpc @4 ohms.

 

[Alex2507]

...from his lack of serious input here ("It's gotta be 10x better than the rest") and the fire-fight he's started among the indiginous peoples here, I'm inclined to give him the troll-of-the-month award.

I don't think he's a troll. He's just young. Think way back and try to remember a time long ago ... .

The only people responsible for a fight are the people fighting.

 

[Seth=L]

I don't think he's a troll. He's just young. Think way back and try to remember a time long ago ... .

The only people responsible for a fight are the people fighting.

I hate being responsible. Ok, Sorry 3dB. I clearly got out of hand.

 

[Panjsheri]

Hmmm I dunno I love my Onkyo 905 All the other receivers people have mentioned are nice or better then mine (some!!) in some ways but mine does everything I will need it to do for a very long time and I am sure some if not most will agree. Its got HD audio, HD video, lots of inputs outputs, Reon chip, power, low THD, etc u get the picture.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If Mark Levinson or Krell made a $100,000 300 lb receiver, somebody will buy it.

Will it sound better than a $1,000 Onkyo, Yahama, Denon, Pioneer, or HK receiver? Probably not. But somebody will buy it anyway.

 

[3db]

I hate being responsible. Ok, Sorry 3dB. I clearly got out of hand.

Apology excepted. Do you have links to the readers digest version the two ways of rated powser. I didn't have time this weekend at all to anything but paint.

 

[Midcow2]

I don't think he's a troll. He's just young. Think way back and try to remember a time long ago ... .

The only people responsible for a fight are the people fighting.

Alex2507, It hurts to remember back that far, for two reasons: (1) It was so long ago and (2) Dr. Amar had led me sorely astray.

I always say: "Pick you battles, you don have to win every one, just the majors!"

 

[Seth=L]

Apology excepted. Do you have links to the readers digest version the two ways of rated powser. I didn't have time this weekend at all to anything but paint.

No, I don't.