How long will styli last?.. TLS or anyone else in the know?

3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I play on average 7 to 10 albums a week. I purchased the turntable last year around this time and I'm wondering if its time to replace the stylus. TLS, any advice you can share would be appreciated.
 
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AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
The stylus should last for many years if handled properly.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

Audioholic Field Marshall
On average you can expect a few hundred hours out of a stylus, Depending on how its been setup and cared for as well as simply how good it is. The best way to check is with a microscope. Do not wait until you hear it going bad otherwise you'll already be damaging your records. I'd say if youve got around 2-300 hours on it, its time for a new one.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I play on average 7 to 10 albums a week. I purchased the turntable last year around this time and I'm wondering if its time to replace the stylus. TLS, any advice you can share would be appreciated.
Time to switch to CDs and forget the worry:D
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I play on average 7 to 10 albums a week. I purchased the turntable last year around this time and I'm wondering if its time to replace the stylus. TLS, any advice you can share would be appreciated.
It depends on a number of factors.

First the quality of the diamond. Cheaper cartridges have softer diamonds, generally.

The tracking force, being correct. Cartridges are best set to the upper end of their tracking force range rather then the lower end. Some cartridges especially moving coils require a higher tracking force, and this shortens like a bit.

The quality of the pickup arm. A well balanced arm like those from SME help prevent one side of the stylus, getting excessive ware.

Very careful turntable set up, so that tracking error is minimized, tracking force is optimal, vertical and azimuth tracking angles are optimal, and the lateral balance of the arm also being properly set. Skating force also needs to be compensated. Many arms do not allow for all of these adjustments.

The final and important issue is the condition of the discs. Scratched dirty discs really shorten stylus life.

Under optimal conditions, playing clean discs in good condition, with a high quality cartridge, in a good arm properly set up, at tracking forces around 1.5 GM or a little less, should have a life of at least 2000 disc playings and often more.

On the other hand, poor disc quality on an inferior poorly setup low quality turntable, can and does, reduce it to 500 disc playings or less.

The problem is that by the time a stylus has enough ware to sound bad, irreparable damage is done to the discs. Therefore regular stylus inspections are important. This service is hard to obtain these days. I keep a good operating microscope on hand for the purpose of stylus inspection.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Its so much easier......hehehe:D
Actually, I have played gramophone records since I was about four. They really are very convenient. The initial set up takes a while, but I have found once set up turntables hold their adjustment for years.

I just pick a disc take the record out of he jacket and sleeve, place it in the turntable, start the turntable, place the Dust Bug, lower the pick up and there you go. Very little more trouble than playing a CD. And for most discs you would not know you were not listening to a CD.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
It depends on a number of factors.

First the quality of the diamond. Cheaper cartridges have softer diamonds, generally.

The tracking force, being correct. Cartridges are best set to the upper end of their tracking force range rather then the lower end. Some cartridges especially moving coils require a higher tracking force, and this shortens like a bit.

The quality of the pickup arm. A well balanced arm like those from SME help prevent one side of the stylus, getting excessive ware.

Very careful turntable set up, so that tracking error is minimized, tracking force is optimal, vertical and azimuth tracking angles are optimal, and the lateral balance of the arm also being properly set. Skating force also needs to be compensated. Many arms do not allow for all of these adjustments.

The final and important issue is the condition of the discs. Scratched dirty discs really shorten stylus life.

Under optimal conditions, playing clean discs in good condition, with a high quality cartridge, in a good arm properly set up, at tracking forces around 1.5 GM or a little less, should have a life of at least 2000 disc playings and often more.

On the other hand, poor disc quality on an inferior poorly setup low quality turntable, can and does, reduce it to 500 disc playings or less.

The problem is that by the time a stylus has enough ware to sound bad, irreparable damage is done to the discs. Therefore regular stylus inspections are important. This service is hard to obtain these days. I keep a good operating microscope on hand for the purpose of stylus inspection.
I clean my records before each and every play. The cartridge I have is an Ortofon SM-20 and the turntable. a ProjEct XpressionII equiped with a carbon fibre tone arm. So I think as far as a decent set=up goes, I think I'm Ok.
I've calculated that so far I've spent about 390 hours listening to music on the turntable. Thats one year's use. Maybe I'll replace it next summer based on listening to 10 albums a week.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I clean my records before each and every play. The cartridge I have is an Ortofon SM-20 and the turntable. a ProjEct XpressionII equiped with a carbon fibre tone arm. So I think as far as a decent set=up goes, I think I'm Ok.
I've calculated that so far I've spent about 390 hours listening to music on the turntable. Thats one year's use. Maybe I'll replace it next summer based on listening to 10 albums a week.
Ortofon, use really good diamonds. You should be able to double your estimate at least.
 
F

fmw

Audioholic Ninja
The stylus will last long enough for you to dub the records to digital. That's what I did and what I suggest you do.

The argument about compressed CD's is a red herring. That is an issue of music production, not the CD medium. I don't get overly compressed CD's because I don't listen to pop and rock music. Vinyl records are even more heavily compressed then CD's to keep the stylus from jumping the groove.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The stylus will last long enough for you to dub the records to digital. That's what I did and what I suggest you do.

The argument about compressed CD's is a red herring. That is an issue of music production, not the CD medium. I don't get overly compressed CD's because I don't listen to pop and rock music. Vinyl records are even more heavily compressed then CD's to keep the stylus from jumping the groove.
FMW, did you realize that you are telling me to change my music taste becuase the compression is only found on rock and musical CDs? Doesn't make alot of sense to me. Thats like avoiding the job one hates to do.

I also never said that it was a fault of the medium. I know CD is a better medium but the bonehead record execs just can't seem to get it right. The CD will never replace vinyl when it comes to invovlement with one's setup from the cleaning of the records to the readbility of the sleeves and artwork as a whole.

Actually I found the opposite to be true. When listening to a record, my wife is always telling me to run it down vs the same recording in a CD where the volume is more or less constant. Thats not all cases either and I'm not about blanket statements. It actualyy depends on the recording

I'l keep my turntable because I love the sound of my vinyl. Wether its better medium or not, I don't give a flying hoot. I just like it. :)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
The stylus will last long enough for you to dub the records to digital. That's what I did and what I suggest you do.

The argument about compressed CD's is a red herring. That is an issue of music production, not the CD medium. I don't get overly compressed CD's because I don't listen to pop and rock music. Vinyl records are even more heavily compressed then CD's to keep the stylus from jumping the groove.
I don't think it is about which medium is best.

I think the whole issue is about psychological issues. I love to take out an old vinyl album. It feels like a nice handful. Then placing it on a well machined turntable, especially a vintage one, is a great pleasure. Then let the well damped lift gently lower the stylus. It's the ritual you see.

The other issue, is you are using a device in which engineering and craftsmanship count for just about everything. When you get the feel of the beautifully crafted arm in your hand, you know you got something for your money. To top it off, just by looking at it you have a very good idea how it works. The latter is I believe satisfying to the human condition.

I would far rather see people blow dollars on beautifully crafted equipment, that gives a livelihood to skilled craftsmen, than blow it on sham cables and power cords.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
...The other issue, is you are using a device in which engineering and craftsmanship count for just about everything. When you get the feel of the beautifully crafted arm in your hand, you know you got something for your money. To top it off, just by looking at it you have a very good idea how it works. The latter is I believe satisfying to the human condition.

I would far rather see people blow dollars on beautifully crafted equipment, that gives a livelihood to skilled craftsmen, than blow it on sham cables and power cords.

Well, yes, these are of utmost importance, exactly where the rubber meets the road. :D
 

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