Onkyo TX-NR905 vs Denon 4308ci

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Harrison476

Junior Audioholic
Running hot?

I have a new 875. I keep it on every day and night that I,m at home.. I dont really push it that hard but on have one in awhile. All my speakers are 4 ohm.
I wouldnt say it runs hot at all. Compaired to my Sony XBR its cold lol.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What did I miss? Where can you get the 5308 for $2500? I am ready any minute now to get the 4308 for $2000 but won't have to think if the 5308 can be had for $500 more. You guys are joking right?
No. I was not joking. But the problem is availability. As far as price-matching, I bet J&R will try very, very hard to earn your business.:D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I have a new 875. I keep it on every day and night that I,m at home.. I dont really push it that hard but on have one in awhile. All my speakers are 4 ohm.
I wouldnt say it runs hot at all. Compaired to my Sony XBR its cold lol.
Hmm. So some get really hot, but some don't...
 
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Harrison476

Junior Audioholic
Maybe

I tell yall what . I read you guys all the time an I have the greatest respect for y'all s technical knowledge with audio and video , it greatly exceeds mine. I shopped for a reciever for a while, and I know there are many things to consider when comparing in the stores. But I guess I go by how it sounds to my ears (mostly) and the denons clearly did not thave the punch the okyko's did to my sence of hearing.

BUt about the temperature thing, measuring temperature I am not a novice at so I tell yall what, I have a digital temperature measuring device with a K type thermocouple which is calibrated to NIST and if yall are really interested I will measure the temperature at a position you suggest.

But really I enjoy reading everyone stuff and Im impressed.
Thanks
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
But I guess I go by how it sounds to my ears (mostly) and the denons clearly did not thave the punch the okyko's did to my sence of hearing.
I all comes down to volume level matching and the speakers hooked to the receivers as well as placement and room acoustics.

When all things are equal, I don't think we can tell much difference between Denon & Onkyo.

But yes, please, measure that Temp on your Onkyo.
 
dobyblue

dobyblue

Senior Audioholic
What did I miss? Where can you get the 5308 for $2500? I am ready any minute now to get the 4308 for $2000 but won't have to think if the 5308 can be had for $500 more. You guys are joking right?
We're discussing manufacturer refurbs with 90-day warranty.

Dakmart is a Denon authorised eBay seller and they have several 5308CI's for around $3000-$3200 right now on their eBay store.

It comes with a 90-day warranty from Denon but also a 1-year warranty from Dakmart themselves, who are based out of Florida.

I believe they also have several 4308CI's for around $1400-$1500.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
We're discussing manufacturer refurbs with 90-day warranty.

Dakmart is a Denon authorised eBay seller and they have several 5308CI's for around $3000-$3200 right now on their eBay store.

It comes with a 90-day warranty from Denon but also a 1-year warranty from Dakmart themselves, who are based out of Florida.

I believe they also have several 4308CI's for around $1400-$1500.
I bought all my Denons from Dakmart, except for the 3800BDCI (J&R). I can tell you that it is good quality! The packaging inside/out is solid. The shipping by UPS is great. I trust Dakmart based on my experience.

You can haggle with them a little, so I would try and save $$.:D

Just tell them that eCost has it for this price and ask if he (the manager, forgot this name) would match the price or at least go half-way.:D
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
There is a suprisingly good article in HT mag this month about video processing in new receivers.

They tested:

Denon: 5308ci
Denon: 3808ci
Onkyo: 875
Yamaha: 3800
Yamaha: Z11
Sony: 4300

The test looked at scaling both SD & HD sources along with deinterlacing and resolution tests.

The best performer was the 5308 using the Realta and the 875 with the Reon was second although the scores they showed were identical.

The big suprise was the Z11 did poorly for scaling and deinterlacing both SD and HD sources.

A couple of them (3800 and 4300) have only SD scaling but both seemed to curb image quality even using passthrough for HD sources.

What video processor does the 4308 use? Is it the same as the 3808?
 
dobyblue

dobyblue

Senior Audioholic
Thanks for the tips on Dakmart Acu, I'll keep those in mind for sure!
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks for the tips on Dakmart Acu, I'll keep those in mind for sure!
You welcome.

The manager's name is Kevin. Call 1-877-325-6278, Ext# 226. Also try 954-456-7453 w/ Ext. 226. Dakmart is in Florida, BTW.
 
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Falcon124

Audiophyte
I just wanted to toss in my $.02 on this discussion about Onkyo heat issues and quality. I've owned several Onkyo and Integra components over the years and I've never had any of them fail for any reason, including overheating. When I have had to contact their customer service for a firmware related issue, I have always received prompt responses to my emails and good service. I currently have a TX-NR900 and a TX-SR605 and I've been happy with both. When you get a receiver like one of these, regardless of the brand, you really have to allow for plenty of air flow around them. I cerainly would not put any components on top of it or attempt to install it in a closed cabinet type of entertainment center. It needs to be in an open rack. And I think the same can be said for any brand receiver in the range of the TX-NR905, particularly if you're making maximum use of the upscaling capability. I am looking to replace the 900 and on my short list I have included both the TX-NR905 and Denon AVR-4308ci. I was ready to pull the trigger on the 905 recently with prices being what they are in anticipation of the 906's, but I've been apprehensive with all the issues the 905's have had. It appears that units currently shipping have the latest firmware and DSP updates and should not be plagued by issues experienced by many as discussed on the TX-NR905 thread over at AVS Forum (tried to include the link but my post count < 5 at the moment). But the fact that Onkyo expects customers to take their 905's to service centers to have firmware updates installed when needed is plain ridiculous in my opinion. I mean, even the firmware in my TX-NR900 can be updated through the ethernet port. Once I set one of these beasts up in a rack, and painstackingly hide all the cables, it becomes a big hassle to have to unplug and remove it. Not to mention, the risk to damaging it transporting to and from the service center. Denon on the other hand, seems to have designed a more elegant solution. Their technicians can remotely access the 4308ci via the internet and troubleshoot their little hearts out and upgrade the firmware while the receiver reamains at home in the rack. Plus one aspect of the 900 I definitely do not like and from what I can tell Onkyo has only slightly improved on the 905, is the OSD or so-called GUI interface. I say so-called because, the 900 doesnt' have a GUI at all, Onkyo uses a propietary server and network protocol called Net-Tune to stream music to the receiver. The OSD is cumbersome and a pain in the a$$ to work with. Onkyo has at least moved away from Net-Tune with the 905 and it is compatible with Windows Media Connect but from what I've read, the user interface or OSD is no where near as polished as the GUI that comes installed in the Denon. It even comes with a web server installed so that you can configure the receiver from any web browser. Obviously not a key consideration for purchasing a high end receiver but, something that sets it apart from the competition.

Andy
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
from what I've read, the user interface or OSD is no where near as polished as the GUI that comes installed in the Denon. It even comes with a web server installed so that you can configure the receiver from any web browser. Obviously not a key consideration for purchasing a high end receiver but, something that sets it apart from the competition.

Andy
You will love the HD resolution of the Denon GUI and the WIFI for firmware updates if you want to keep things up to date. The ability to update firmware wirelessly is a big plus.
 
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Panjsheri

Audioholic
I just wanted to toss in my $.02 on this discussion about Onkyo heat issues and quality. I've owned several Onkyo and Integra components over the years and I've never had any of them fail for any reason, including overheating. When I have had to contact their customer service for a firmware related issue, I have always received prompt responses to my emails and good service. I currently have a TX-NR900 and a TX-SR605 and I've been happy with both. When you get a receiver like one of these, regardless of the brand, you really have to allow for plenty of air flow around them. I cerainly would not put any components on top of it or attempt to install it in a closed cabinet type of entertainment center. It needs to be in an open rack. And I think the same can be said for any brand receiver in the range of the TX-NR905, particularly if you're making maximum use of the upscaling capability. I am looking to replace the 900 and on my short list I have included both the TX-NR905 and Denon AVR-4308ci. I was ready to pull the trigger on the 905 recently with prices being what they are in anticipation of the 906's, but I've been apprehensive with all the issues the 905's have had. It appears that units currently shipping have the latest firmware and DSP updates and should not be plagued by issues experienced by many as discussed on the TX-NR905 thread over at AVS Forum (tried to include the link but my post count < 5 at the moment). But the fact that Onkyo expects customers to take their 905's to service centers to have firmware updates installed when needed is plain ridiculous in my opinion. I mean, even the firmware in my TX-NR900 can be updated through the ethernet port. Once I set one of these beasts up in a rack, and painstackingly hide all the cables, it becomes a big hassle to have to unplug and remove it. Not to mention, the risk to damaging it transporting to and from the service center. Denon on the other hand, seems to have designed a more elegant solution. Their technicians can remotely access the 4308ci via the internet and troubleshoot their little hearts out and upgrade the firmware while the receiver reamains at home in the rack. Plus one aspect of the 900 I definitely do not like and from what I can tell Onkyo has only slightly improved on the 905, is the OSD or so-called GUI interface. I say so-called because, the 900 doesnt' have a GUI at all, Onkyo uses a propietary server and network protocol called Net-Tune to stream music to the receiver. The OSD is cumbersome and a pain in the a$$ to work with. Onkyo has at least moved away from Net-Tune with the 905 and it is compatible with Windows Media Connect but from what I've read, the user interface or OSD is no where near as polished as the GUI that comes installed in the Denon. It even comes with a web server installed so that you can configure the receiver from any web browser. Obviously not a key consideration for purchasing a high end receiver but, something that sets it apart from the competition.

Andy
On the first part yes Onkyo in my opinion are great and there is a little bias as I am a proud owner of a 905:D but I have had no issues with my receiver and that is the first time I have heard that I would have to take my receiver to the manufacturer to update the firmware:confused:. If that is the case then its gonna suck!!! But I will accept it even though it may be very annoying:mad: just cause I love how happy it makes me when I watch my movies with my family and friends:D
 

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