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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I actually wonder if our brain is capable of 'EQing' sound over time to normalize it. When I first got my system, I noticed some strong room effects on the low end in the way of boomy notes in some frequencies. I havn't done anything to the room or the system over the last month, yet I no longer notice those boomy notes as much as I did when I first set the system up.
That is one interesting theory. I suppose it is possible. We can't rule it out.

But if I went to a showroom and listened to the B&W 800Ds and found them very "muddy", "bloated", "compressed", "congested", and unfocused sounding, does that mean my ears are untrained to this "good" sounding that's I'm not hearing?:D

And is it possible that after listening to this bad sound my brain could EQ it and then the bad sound will turn into clear, smooth, and focused sound?

It is possible. But I did notice IMMEDIATE sound improvement with speaker placements with my own speakers.
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
I don't believe you have the opinion of Def Techs that you do because you have a higher degree of refined hearing. There are plenty of others who have been in the industry and exposed to the finest equipment that also seem to think that Def Techs are fairly fine performing speakers.
Noone's opinion of anything is ever a result of having "a higher degree of refined hearing". Those who make such claims clearly have overinflated egos.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
My comments wern't really directed at Ryan necessarily or anyone in particular. Again, it's more that his comments just got me thinking which is never a bad thing in my book.

I do believe there are performance differences in speakers.... don't get me wrong. In no way would I choose my speakers over a setup of top an Dynaudio for instance, but at that point, your comparing two drastically different animals. I've heard those speakers and loved them. That doesn't mean my speakers sound like crap however... just different and yes... not quite as good, but very good in their own way.

I've really got to the point where I think our preference to what we hear varies just as much as our taste in cars, music styles, clothes etc. It's not finite or necessarily tangible. I love Ferrari, but don't really care at all for Lambo's. Yet others find Lambo to be the true Italian art of cars. I think when we all judge and give our opinions on equipment, not just speakers, we are largely speaking to our own personal prejudices, personal tastes, and most importantly the internal perceptions or workings in our head that make one thing pleasing over another... and all of these factors may be at different level of subconscience.

I also think that all of this is good. It creates discussion, and descriptors that can at least narrow a person's focus toward a set of similar perceived judgements. Most importantly, however, I dont have to have someone agree with me to value their opinion. I just can't learn if I keep a closed mind like that. Anyway, I think this has been a solid 9 pages of good discussion by everyone.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Why can't they do a "shoot-out" with B&W vs Revel vs Paradigm vs DefTech vs. Dynaudio, etc., like they do with cars in Car & Driver, Road & Track, or Motor Trend?:D
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
Why can't they do a "shoot-out" with B&W vs Revel vs Paradigm vs DefTech vs. Dynaudio, etc., like they do with cars in Car & Driver, Road & Track, or Motor Trend?:D
I think we all want Audioholics or some other mag (but preferably Audioholics!) to do the following shoot-outs.

Mid-range receivers:
Onkyo TX-SR606 vs. Yammy RX-V363 vs. equivalent Denon vs. equivalent Sony vs. equivalent Marantz vs. equivalent Pioneer

$1k receivers:
Onkyo TX-SR805/6 vs. Yammy RX-V863 vs. Denon AVR-988 vs. equivalent Pioneer vs. equivalent Marantz, etc.

$500 subwoofers

$500 pair towers

$1k speaker packages

etc.
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
It's a fun exercise for sure... but do we really wanna know for sure that there's little difference between one thing over the next... if that's the outcome? Or, do we like believing that there are in fact very real sonic differences between a $250 receiver vs a $2500 one. I would think there are and that those differences would be clear, but imagine if they weren't?
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
wouldn't that finally lay to rest the wire cable question once and for all ?

..real sonic differences between a $250 receiver vs a $2500 one. ...
wouldn't that finally lay to rest the wire cable question once and for all ?

Because we all know the $2,500 one, uses Monster cables and wiring :D :D
so that is the reason the $2,500 is so much better sonically :rolleyes:



:D JOKE :D:D
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I think we all want Audioholics or some other mag (but preferably Audioholics!) to do the following shoot-outs.
wouldn't that finally lay to rest the wire cable question once and for all ?

Because we all know the $2,500 one, uses Monster cables and wiring :D :D
so that is the reason the $2,500 is so much better sonically :rolleyes:



:D JOKE :D:D
It certainly would for some but for some members "they can't handle the truth";). Sorry, I watched "A Few Good Men" the other night.:eek:
 
itschris

itschris

Moderator
So OP, after all of this rambling, what have you conculed?

HA! In all our (read: My) self gratuitous ramblings, I actually had to go back and read what the original post was about.

Talk about hijack. It's good though how discussion evolve. It makes things interesting. But I would like to hear the OP's thoughts on all this.
 
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armaraas

Full Audioholic
Hm. Well, it may be a little late, I decided to stay out of it once the conversation headed the Def Tech direction since I do not have any experience with them (their setup in store by me was not good, they acted as if they would not budge from MSRP, and they didn't fit the one criteria I was given to meet- no black). But just in case the OP is still around and since he did mention some interest in internet direct brands I figure I might throw my 2 cents in anyway, because it's either that, or I keep working.

I would suggest if there are some local dealers with brands you liked when you heard them in store, see if they have anything they'll let you take home and audition for a couple of weeks or if they have a good return policy. If you find something that works out, and you're interested in a couple of internet direct brands, feel free to order them at the same time to compare. Keep in mind Aperion will pay shipping both ways, as will AV123. Axiom you may have to pay return shipping. I knew this up front, and ordered M80's with the expectation I'd pay up to $80 to send them back (I was ok with this since I could audition them in home for convenience).

I decided to return the M80's and called Axiom up. It was very easy, no questions asked (well they did, but I was not obligated to give them an answer, but I did). They offered to send me shipping labels for $20 each for the towers, so I took that offer to save some money. They also offered to call the courier to schedule a pickup. So basically all I had to do was box them up and be home when the courier came back. A lot easier than I expected (I thought I'd have to take them in somewhere). As a bonus, I was never actually charged for return shipping and received a full refund. I don't know if this is common, or if it is because I did order a couple of other sets of speakers from them, but it was a nice surprise. Since I saved that money, I kind of wish now I would have ordered another set of speakers or two to audition. Not that I have any regrets with what I have, it just would have been cool to be able to listen to some other brands that are not prominent around me.

As a couple of others have mentioned, if you keep the speakers closer to $1000 than $2000, you would have some money left over to put towards a nice sub. I'm not sure how you feel about a sub right now, but it's something to keep in mind especially for movies.

Someone mentioned NHT Classic 4's earlier. I did like those when I heard them in store, so if you can find those they might be worth a listen and also include a built in sub if that's your preference. There are a couple of places online where you can sometimes find open box or demos of them for well below the $2000 MSRP.

Another brand that has not been mentioned yet I think are Energy RC-70's. I really wanted to get those, MSRP is $2000 and was out of my price range and I just missed a sale on them, otherwise I would have ordered them. If you can find them near you they're probably worth checking out as I've heard a lot of good things about them too. Not that that means anything since I hardly hear anything bad about too many brands, other than 1 or so...
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...Someone mentioned NHT Classic 4's earlier. I did like those when I heard them in store, so if you can find those they might be worth a listen and also include a built in sub if that's your preference...
That was me.:D

The thing about the NHT Classic 4 is that the built-in sub can be Active or Passive. If you want it to be Active, you will have to buy an additional NHT amp. It goes to about 50 Hz Passive, and down to 27 Hz Active +/- 3dB.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
That was me.:D

The thing about the NHT Classic 4 is that the built-in sub can be Active or Passive. If you want it to be Active, you will have to buy an additional NHT amp. It goes to about 50 Hz Passive, and down to 27 Hz Active +/- 3dB.
That doesn't make sense. How can the frequency limit of the speaker be determined by which amp is driving it?:confused:
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
That doesn't make sense. How can the frequency limit of the speaker be determined by which amp is driving it?:confused:
Well, because with the amp, which I did not mention also has the active crossover, you can crank up the subwoofer volume -- just like in the DefTech BP7006-7000s. I guess without the dedicated NHT subwoofer amp/crossover, it would be like the BP7006-7000 with the subwoofer volume down to ZERO (but plugged in).
 
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DD66000

DD66000

Senior Audioholic
Why can't they do a "shoot-out" with B&W vs Revel vs Paradigm vs DefTech vs. Dynaudio, etc., like they do with cars in Car & Driver, Road & Track, or Motor Trend?:D
What makes you think deftect belongs in that league? They don't.

And these will blow them all away. JBL Everest, described as playing real music, not just hifi.

 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
What makes you think deftect belongs in that league? They don't.
Because Home Theater Magazine, Sound & Vision Magazine, and Audio-Video Revolution, among many sites believe DefTech belongs in the big league with all of them, and they have A LOT more CREDIBILITY than YOU do.

And who are you to say that any speaker is not in a certain league? That's just your opinion. And you know what? You are WRONG.:eek:

I'm going to Cancun for the next week. You can bash all you want while I'm gone because I won't read a word of anything you have to say.:p
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
Because Home Theater Magazine, Sound & Vision Magazine, and Audio-Video Revolution, among many sites believe DefTech belongs in the big league with all of them, and they have A LOT more CREDIBILITY than YOU do.

And who are you to say that any speaker is not in a certain league? That's just your opinion. And you know what? You are WRONG.:eek:

I'm going to Cancun for the next week. You can bash all you want while I'm gone because I won't read a word of anything you have to say.:p
It's time...already.:D
 

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