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[fmw]

I believe in experence over anything . Atleast he has tested the product and not taken the word by hearsay . That i can respect . The rest don't jive . I can't stand Human Politics of any nature , which includes rumours .
I guess thats my bottom line and point .

Wire, it isn't politics. It is science. Speaker wires don't alter the sound of an audio system. That is just a fact. Period. It has been tested over and over and over. Never - not once - has an audible difference between competently made cables been uncovered in a bias controlled test. The audible differences you experience are caused by preference and bias, not by an audible difference in the products. It is called placebo effect and it affects all of us - me and you included.

Accept the facts that science provides. Then, if you prefer to judge products through bias and preference, then help yourself. You will have plenty of company. The entire high end audio industry judges things that way. But don't call it politics or assumptions. It is the result of scientific testing.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I believe in experence over anything . ...

Be careful with that.
My experience is that every time I place that steel pipe in a 5gal bucket of water, the pipe is bent and when I pull it out, it is straight again.
What should I make of that personal experience?
Or, what should others think of personal experiences with psychics, homeopathic stuff, astrology, and on it goes

 

[JerryLove]

Wire, it isn't politics. It is science. Speaker wires don't alter the sound of an audio system. That is just a fact. Period. It has been tested over and over and over. Never - not once - has an audible difference between competently made cables been uncovered in a bias controlled test.

There are a few more caviats than that.

Gauge matters, especially over distance. EMI isn't much of an issue over a speaker wire usually (why they are unshielded), but is concieveable (I knew I shouldn't have run the unshielded wire through the microwave). The OP even suggested contact problems related to oxidation of leads (again, a real and possible issue... it's impedence).

I agree with your general statement, but let's not over-state either.

 

[fmw]

There are a few more caviats than that.

Gauge matters, especially over distance. EMI isn't much of an issue over a speaker wire usually (why they are unshielded), but is concieveable (I knew I shouldn't have run the unshielded wire through the microwave). The OP even suggested contact problems related to oxidation of leads (again, a real and possible issue... it's impedence).

I agree with your general statement, but let's not over-state either.

You need to remember to write like a lawyer on internet forums. Let me say again that an audible differences has never been uncovered in a bias controlled test of competently designed, manufactured and implemented speaker wires.

Better?

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I will give you 2k just to come and listen to my system with me, none of my friends are into this stuff and I feel all alone.....

St. Louis isn't that far away. I'll reduce the wager to $2000. Nobody seems to want to do it for $3000. I'll come to St. Louis. You take any two interconnect cables that you can identify in seconds and, as long as neither has significant capacitance or inductance and as long as neither is active and has no little black boxes attached, we'll make that the test using whatever system you like with as many listeners as you like. We'll do a genuine, scientifically valid bias-controlled listening test with 20 random iterations per listener. We will do everything so that everyone is satisfied that we're being fair. If you can score better than 65% correct ID's you will win my $2000. If you can't then I win your $2000. That will provide me with travel expenses and some compensation for my time. Are you in?

You see, wire has nothing to do with the edges of a soundstage shrinking inward. Absolutely nothing - ever. I'll prove it. Get your $2000 ready.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

On another note....

I am pretty old school and I dont think wires meake any difference what so ever....but...my dealer, who is a straight shooter with me, swears that bi-wiring the 100's is a good idea. (he knows I would never buy speaker wire from him) He said he is not a big believer in bi-wiring but only with the 100's has he noticed a change for the better.

For kicks (hey it's free) I just got finished doing this and I swear my speakers sound more "out front" or brighter. I really think I hear something different and the only thing that has changed is the bi-wiring and the fact that I have had 4 martinis since completing the wiring job.

Just so you dont think I am "way out there" for drinking this early, I have a good reason....I am tired of being SOBER....

 

[wire]

Be careful with that.
My experience is that every time I place that steel pipe in a 5gal bucket of water, the pipe is bent and when I pull it out, it is straight again.
What should I make of that personal experience?
Or, what should others think of personal experiences with psychics, homeopathic stuff, astrology, and on it goes

You should work 4 billionares like i did and find out what the world ( humanity ) is really like . Not what you think its like . So your right , everyone should be careful .

 

[wire]

Wire, it isn't politics. It is science. Speaker wires don't alter the sound of an audio system. That is just a fact. Period. It has been tested over and over and over. Never - not once - has an audible difference between competently made cables been uncovered in a bias controlled test. The audible differences you experience are caused by preference and bias, not by an audible difference in the products. It is called placebo effect and it affects all of us - me and you included.

Accept the facts that science provides. Then, if you prefer to judge products through bias and preference, then help yourself. You will have plenty of company. The entire high end audio industry judges things that way. But don't call it politics or assumptions. It is the result of scientific testing.

Everything in Humanity is politics , if it involves Money ( which is 90 % of our world , maybe more ) .

 

[Midcow2]

Okay I finally agree with you!

Barack said there would be change.

Now I know what he meant after following 11 pages of this thread....

The laws of physics are not dependent on the the inherent physical properties of copper, but are changed based on the cost of the cable.

Thanks to Barack ( and also Al Gore will probably stake some claim) the laws of physics have changed.

So I guess I am agreeing wire properties involve politics instead of science

JOKE

 

[pzaur]

Now I know what he meant after following 11 pages of this thread....

You need to change your settings. I only see 4 pages!
User PC - Edit Options - scroll down to "Thread Display Options" and select 40

-pat

 

[fmw]

Everything in Humanity is politics , if it involves Money ( which is 90 % of our world , maybe more ) .

Speak for yourself. Absolutely nothing in my life is politics.

 

[wire]

Speak for yourself. Absolutely nothing in my life is politics.

Do you work ? Do you vote ? Do buy into consumerisim ? Do you earn money ? Do you have a religion , couldbe faith , money ex . ?
Almost , 90 % of humanity is politics , it comes in all forms . My uncle once told me " since the start of Humanity , Humanity has not changed " , only are toys have changed , but we continue on the same path weve been on since the begining . This is what i have studied for the last 7 or 8 years and the past experences working for the real Rich and meeting just some Great ppl.( very few ) on the otherside of humanity .

 

[JerryLove]

My uncle once told me " since the start of Humanity , Humanity has not changed " , only are toys have changed

No big. Uncles have been saying that exact thing since the start of humanity.

 

[wire]

No big. Uncles have been saying that exact thing since the start of humanity.

Hehe

The only thing with mine , is he's got the Order of Canada and sold his bank to Hong Kong bank during the Asia crash .

 

[mtrycrafts]

... So your right , everyone should be careful .

Finally, I am right with you

 

[wire]

Finally, I am right with you

Alright finally mtry , we can alaways find common ground .

 

[Matt34]

...and a good place to end this derailment.