$2000 or less Floorstanders

[bandphan]

Absolutely, my statement can apply to any number of brands around here; it just seems you guys have just been on a roll the most recently.

agreed, imo people should be able to point out what flaws their speakers have because they accutal expeirence, but most prefer to fan

 

[Gimpy Ric]

The OP mentioned other brands than just Def Techs. I vote he try out the Axiom 80's and the Aperions Audio 6T's

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Absolutely, my statement can apply to any number of brands around here; it just seems you guys have just been on a roll the most recently.

I wonder how many forum members own DefTechs vs. B&W vs. Paradigm vs. everything else?

But I'll make a better effort not to be sucked into the darkside the next time a negative remark is made.

 

[billy p]

Absolutely, my statement can apply to any number of brands around here; it just seems you guys have just been on a roll the most recently.

Not just here, it seems like every forum I have followed appear to have a DefTech owners thread. Its has a cult like following. JK

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Not just here, it seems like every forum I have followed appear to have a DefTech owners thread. Its has a cult like following. JK

They're awesome speakers. I just can't believe you guys don't like them.

If Audioholics would just do a detail review of DefTech's flagship BP7000SC, I would stop cheering for DTs.

By the way, DENON RULES!!!!!

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Not just here, it seems like every forum I have followed appear to have a DefTech owners thread. Its has a cult like following. JK

So now every excellent brand of speakers that has an owner's thread has a "cult following"? Weird logic.

 

[billy p]

Hi Joe, any new speaker reviews? Heh... I believe you belong to a few of those pride of ownership clubs.Otherwise, have a good day.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Hi Joe, any new speaker reviews? Heh... I believe you belong to a few of those pride of ownership clubs.Otherwise, have a good day.

Actually, I got some old speakers back. I gave a friend my Primus 250s after he had a fire. He recently returned them after buying a new system for himself. I am reminded of why I liked them in the first place, as they still sound fabulous. (I wish I could get silver grilles for them, though.)

 

[billy p]

Actually, I got some old speakers back. I gave a friend my Primus 250s after he had a fire. He recently returned them after buying a new system for himself. I am reminded of why I liked them in the first place, as they still sound fabulous. (I wish I could get silver grilles for them, though.)

Excellent and I hope he used one of your many referrals before he made that purchase.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Excellent and I hope he used one of your many referrals before he made that purchase.

Actually, he had heard the Def Techs in my HT and was blown away by them (rightfully so), so that is what he bought.

 

[billy p]

Actually, he had heard the Def Techs in my HT and was blown away by them (rightfully so), so that is what he bought.

I would never buy any speaker, unless I heard them first.

 

[cubbie5150]

agreed, imo people should be able to point out what flaws their speakers have because they accutal expeirence, but most prefer to fan

Yeah, I get a kick out of how so many people's self-worth is tied to objects they own.. weird

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I would never buy any speaker, unless I heard them first.

Neither would I, unless I could return them. (In the case of ID brands, that means returning them without having to pay shipping.)

 

[Midcow2]

I heard my latest Def Tech speakers Vicariously ,,,,

I would never buy any speaker, unless I heard them first.

I bought a CLR3000 without ever even actually hearing it.

I bought it Vicariously through the experiences of other Aduioholic member, especially AcuDefTechGuy!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I bought a CLR3000 without ever even actually hearing it.

I bought it Vicariously through the experiences of other Aduioholic member, especially AcuDefTechGuy!

Itschris touched on this in another thread, but I think it is possible that certain people may have slightly different hearing senses - just enough so that one person may perceive the sound as CRYSTAL CLEAR, DETAILED, SMOOTH, & FOCUSED, while another person may perceive the same sound as MUDDY & UNFOCUSED?

I know the difference in room acoustics and speaker placement is a huge factor, but it still makes me wonder a little.

I bought all my speakers based on all the amazingly exceptional reviews with the condition that I could return my speakers within 30 days.

 

[billy p]

Itschris touched on this in another thread, but I think it is possible that certain people may have slightly different hearing senses - just enough so that one person may perceive the sound as CRYSTAL CLEAR, DETAILED, SMOOTH, & FOCUSED, while another person may perceive the same sound as MUDDY & UNFOCUSED?I know the difference in room acoustics and speaker placement is a huge factor, but it still makes me wonder a little.I bought all my speakers based on all the amazingly exceptional reviews with the condition that I could return my speakers within 30 days.

I often use reviews as a basis for wanting to audition speakers. Before buying my speakers I auditioned them a couple of times but having the knowledge of being able to return them eases any doubts I may have.

PS: In case your wondering they're in my sig

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I often use reviews as a basis for wanting to audition speakers. Before buying my speakers I auditioned them a couple of times but having the knowledge of being able to return them eases any doubts I may have.

PS: In case your wondering they're in my sig

Yes, but how speakers sound in the store is usually different from how they sound in your own room. You keep your speakers based on how they sound in your home, not how they sound in the store.

 

[Spkr_Bldr]

Itschris touched on this in another thread, but I think it is possible that certain people may have slightly different hearing senses - just enough so that one person may perceive the sound as CRYSTAL CLEAR, DETAILED, SMOOTH, & FOCUSED, while another person may perceive the same sound as MUDDY & UNFOCUSED?

I think the answer is each individuals personal experience. I do a lot of critical listening with other people, either with the local guys or at shows, and my evaluations are quite often in line with others listening along as well. And in setting like that we all share similar past listening experience and histories. But when I have friends over and they listen to my designs, people who aren't audio guys, the ways they describe what they're hearing often seems strange to me. Their point of reference is so different.

Before I got into building speakers I had quite a few that I though were clear, detailed, smooth, focused, etc ... some Wharfedales, Paradigms, Energy, Mirage, and a pair of Dynaudio monitors. It was literally like flipping a switch when I finally did put something in the same room with them that WAS clear, detailed, smooth, and focused. Suddenly I realized just how off I was before, but I wasn't wrong for thinking that way before, I just didn't have a frame of reference to show me otherwise.

 

[fredk]

Ryan. I think you have it exactly right. For quite a while I wondered why there seemed to be such a variance in what people preferred and how differently people 'hear' the same set of speakers.

What you write is pretty much in line with what Dr. Toole wrote in one of his papers. He pointed out that people needed to be trained to hear properly. That is, exposed to the proper reference source to learn what uncoloured sound really is. AFTER they have been properly trained, most people prefer the same flat frequency response (whith high end roll off).

I actually wonder if our brain is capable of 'EQing' sound over time to normalize it. When I first got my system, I noticed some strong room effects on the low end in the way of boomy notes in some frequencies. I havn't done anything to the room or the system over the last month, yet I no longer notice those boomy notes as much as I did when I first set the system up.

 

[itschris]

I'm still not sure I buy this "golden ear" argument. For the moment, let's just talk about the Def Techs only because I have a frame of reference because I own them. I've read plenty of reviews by audiophiles who have had a tremendous amount of experience listening to all kinds of speakers in all kinds of environments... Def Techs included. Many of the reviews I have read have been extremely positive, actually 180 degrees different, from your assessment. I don't believe for one moment that you are flawed in that assessment, however. I do believe that how you perceive what you hear could be very different then someone else. What's pleasing to others, may not just be pleasing to you.

I don't believe you have the opinion of Def Techs that you do because you have a higher degree of refined hearing. There are plenty of others who have been in the industry and exposed to the finest equipment that also seem to think that Def Techs are fairly fine performing speakers.

And don't get me wrong, this really isn't about Def Techs at all, but just a general idea about how I'm starting to perceive all this. You constantly hear opposing viewpoints on just about everything and I just find it odd how that can be. With all things being completely equal, there simply has to be other factors in play beyond "I really do know what sound good and bad because I'm better experienced."

I think the answer is each individuals personal experience. I do a lot of critical listening with other people, either with the local guys or at shows, and my evaluations are quite often in line with others listening along as well. And in setting like that we all share similar past listening experience and histories. But when I have friends over and they listen to my designs, people who aren't audio guys, the ways they describe what they're hearing often seems strange to me. Their point of reference is so different.

Before I got into building speakers I had quite a few that I though were clear, detailed, smooth, focused, etc ... some Wharfedales, Paradigms, Energy, Mirage, and a pair of Dynaudio monitors. It was literally like flipping a switch when I finally did put something in the same room with them that WAS clear, detailed, smooth, and focused. Suddenly I realized just how off I was before, but I wasn't wrong for thinking that way before, I just didn't have a frame of reference to show me otherwise.