So Obama shows he is nothing new......

[speakerman39]

No I remember exactly where I was that moment.

I remember clearly where I was and what I was doing. In fact, I was at my Dr. office and in the waiting room. It was a scary day for all of us. Unfortunately, it is still a scary world if you ask me. Kinda begs the question are we any safer?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[mazersteven]

me too actually. i was coming home from school (law school) and saw the airplane hits on TV repeated continuously.

i remember the death estimates were said to be in the ten thousands.

What people don't realize is what an incredible job the Fire Dept did getting people out before the towers collapsed. If it wasn't for that and the fact it was before 9am when the planes hit. There most likely would have been tens of thousands.

 

[chadnliz]

Unfortunately, everything you just mentioned is basically true of EVERY politician. You just try and find me ONE politician that didn't change his position on an issue to suit his political goals. It sucks, but that's the way Washington works.

You slam Obama's tax plan, but you think grandpa McCain's idiotic idea of a temporary gas tax repeal is going to do anything? In your words, think again. Do you honestly believe that our war in Iraq has made us safer? In your words, think again. Do you think that the GOP won't make issue of Obama's race? Think again. Didn't McCain originally espouse his full support of Bush? Then as Bush's approval rating went in the toilet, what did McCain do? He slowly but surely distanced himself from good ol' GW. Funny how that works.

I find it disturbing that you choose to blindly follow a party that has run this country into the worst recession of my lifetime. But hey, this is America and you can do whatever the hell you want. No candidate is perfect, but we definitely need leadership that is VASTLY different than what we have now.

Ofcourse he is like every politician and thats my point so whats yours? Obama is the one who said he was different, about CHANGE and the fact your strongest arguement is "everybody does that" is a bit sad as it appears you dont even care that your being lied to so I ask you whats next?
To think it is one parties fault that we are in the mess we are in is simple minded and if you are going to insert a Clintion memory of surplus try not to forget he inherited alot of growth both Reagon and Bush one started (Clinton also rode a wave of false prosperity...remember the dot com bubble) AND when Bush took office the actions of Clinton were maturing and the downward spiral was upon us, then 911 and Katrina both happened.
The war was a bad idea but one we must see to its end, things are getting better and if our goals are meant history will look back at GW Bush kindly even if the ignorant public cant. I am not claiming the GOP, Bush or McCain are perfect as a matter of fact far from it but the Liberal mindset and agenda is good for no one, generally the public at large agrees seeing how the left has only held the White House 3 times of the last 9 election cycles, the only time they get into power in recent past is when the other side fails...not because of the lefts achievements, then after 4 or 8 yrs the public understands what a huge mistake they made and they loose.
Life will go on no matter who is in charge, hell as a disabled man the left may thrown more money at me but I may be one of the only ones who does not get charged more from a Democratic controlled White House, to be honest I have no idea why either would want to be President, there are so many issues that anyone is going to have an incredibley hard time and is promised to be hated by atleast half the country by day 1, get little done and back track on any number of promises as they just cant be realized. Meanwhile things continue to slide into the abyss, God Bless America as we sure do and will continue to need it!

 

[Rickster71]

A wise man once said:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative
and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.

 

[chadnliz]

I wonder who wrote that Rick, but I know it wasnt a Democrat!

 

[Audioholics]

Haha, Google is running McCain & Obama ads in this thread...

 

[aberkowitz]

I wonder who wrote that Rick, but I know it wasnt a Democrat!

It also wasn't any republican who's been in charge of anything for the past 8 years. Even though I tend to lean conservative (particularly from a fiscal standpoint), there's no bragging I would do about any of the republicans in Washington these days. Even look at the candidates who were in the primaries- did any one of them even get you excited about voting?? While Obama may still be a typical politician, he actually gets voters excited about coming out to the polls. We haven't had that in this country in a long time. Even though I disagree with a number of his policies and believe that he's a bit of a phony, I cannot argue with the fact that he energizes his supporters. For that I have to have respect for the man.

Speakerman & Mazer- I was in NYC on 9/11, exactly 4.5 miles north in the 3 month of my first job out of college. I remember getting a call from my best friend telling me what had happened- since my building was on 6th avenue I started circling the outside of the floor to get to the office that had a view down to the south. As I was walking around the floor I heard phones start ringing in every cubicle and office like they were on cue.

 

[Halon451]

Ofcourse he is like every politician and thats my point so whats yours? Obama is the one who said he was different, about CHANGE and the fact your strongest arguement is "everybody does that" is a bit sad as it appears you dont even care that your being lied to so I ask you whats next?
To think it is one parties fault that we are in the mess we are in is simple minded and if you are going to insert a Clintion memory of surplus try not to forget he inherited alot of growth both Reagon and Bush one started (Clinton also rode a wave of false prosperity...remember the dot com bubble) AND when Bush took office the actions of Clinton were maturing and the downward spiral was upon us, then 911 and Katrina both happened.
The war was a bad idea but one we must see to its end, things are getting better and if our goals are meant history will look back at GW Bush kindly even if the ignorant public cant. I am not claiming the GOP, Bush or McCain are perfect as a matter of fact far from it but the Liberal mindset and agenda is good for no one, generally the public at large agrees seeing how the left has only held the White House 3 times of the last 9 election cycles, the only time they get into power in recent past is when the other side fails...not because of the lefts achievements, then after 4 or 8 yrs the public understands what a huge mistake they made and they loose.
Life will go on no matter who is in charge, hell as a disabled man the left may thrown more money at me but I may be one of the only ones who does not get charged more from a Democratic controlled White House, to be honest I have no idea why either would want to be President, there are so many issues that anyone is going to have an incredibley hard time and is promised to be hated by atleast half the country by day 1, get little done and back track on any number of promises as they just cant be realized. Meanwhile things continue to slide into the abyss, God Bless America as we sure do and will continue to need it!

Very well said Chad, and I agree 100%. People need to wake up and realize the fashion show is about to end and the person they help elect the next President will have serious, incredible issues facing him in his first term, not the kind of job best handled by a beauty pageant winner (yes, referring to Obama here). McCain? Well, definitely not the perfect alternative, but at this point it's all we have to choose from, and it is what it is. It's not the politicians in Washington who are at fault with where we're at these days, it's us, the people, we've helped place ourselves in this predicament by an overwhelming majority apathy and inability to face reality for what it is, and continuing to put the same types of people in office that do nothing but represent all of our past failures as a nation. Obama is indeed nothing new, he's playing the textbook version of how to be a flashy politician in order to win votes.

Obama is the Pied Piper in this story, if ever there was a better analogy as I can see it - and we all know how that story turned out...

 

[Joe Schmoe]

V It's not the politicians in Washington who are at fault with where we're at these days, it's us, the people,

True. More specifically it is those people who elected (and, even worse, re-elected) Baby Bush.

 

[darien87]

Ofcourse he is like every politician and thats my point so whats yours? Obama is the one who said he was different, about CHANGE and the fact your strongest arguement is "everybody does that" is a bit sad as it appears you dont even care that your being lied to so I ask you whats next?
To think it is one parties fault that we are in the mess we are in is simple minded and if you are going to insert a Clintion memory of surplus try not to forget he inherited alot of growth both Reagon and Bush one started (Clinton also rode a wave of false prosperity...remember the dot com bubble) AND when Bush took office the actions of Clinton were maturing and the downward spiral was upon us, then 911 and Katrina both happened.
The war was a bad idea but one we must see to its end, things are getting better and if our goals are meant history will look back at GW Bush kindly even if the ignorant public cant. I am not claiming the GOP, Bush or McCain are perfect as a matter of fact far from it but the Liberal mindset and agenda is good for no one, generally the public at large agrees seeing how the left has only held the White House 3 times of the last 9 election cycles, the only time they get into power in recent past is when the other side fails...not because of the lefts achievements, then after 4 or 8 yrs the public understands what a huge mistake they made and they loose.
Life will go on no matter who is in charge, hell as a disabled man the left may thrown more money at me but I may be one of the only ones who does not get charged more from a Democratic controlled White House, to be honest I have no idea why either would want to be President, there are so many issues that anyone is going to have an incredibley hard time and is promised to be hated by atleast half the country by day 1, get little done and back track on any number of promises as they just cant be realized. Meanwhile things continue to slide into the abyss, God Bless America as we sure do and will continue to need it!

My point is that it's pretty disingenuine to expect one politician to change the entire system. One man, no matter how powerful, is not going to be able to get every other public servant to change. Unfortunately, to get anything done in Washington, you have to play the game. But what Obama can do, is change people's thinking. Change the country by starting with small increments and let those ripple out and lead to bigger things. But if you want real change, then change the system.

I love how Republicans ALWAYS say that the times under Clinton were so good, only because of what Reagan did. Please. Trickle-down economics worked out great didn't it? Clinton enacted quite a few revolutionary economic policies of his own. I for one, greatly benefited from his EIC credits and student loan programs.

So the only reason that things are so bad now, is because Clinton's efforts were "maturing"? That's a hell of a simplified view of the situation.

And I sure as hell don't see McCain as being for any type of meaningful change. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and all that.

 

[rnatalli]

If McCain wins, the rich will be happy. If Obama wins, the poor will be happy. Bottom line, everyone is the middle will continue to get screwed.

 

[aberkowitz]

If McCain wins, the rich will be happy. If Obama wins, the poor will be happy. Bottom line, everyone is the middle will continue to get screwed.

I'd alter that to say if McCain wins the rich are happy, if Obama wins the rich will still be happy just not as happy as they would have been under McCain, and everybody else gets screwed regardless.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

I'd alter that to say if McCain wins the rich are happy, if Obama wins the rich will still be happy just not as happy as they would have been under McCain, and everybody else gets screwed regardless.

Now that I can agree with!

 

[Rickster71]

My point is that it's pretty disingenuine to expect one politician to change the entire system. One man, no matter how powerful, is not going to be able to get every other public servant to change. Unfortunately, to get anything done in Washington, you have to play the game. But what Obama can do, is change people's thinking. Change the country by starting with small increments and let those ripple out and lead to bigger things. But if you want real change, then change the system.

And I sure as hell don't see McCain as being for any type of meaningful change. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and all that.

Wow, you really are an Obama supporter.
You've used the word 'Change' seven times.

 

[darien87]

Wow, you really are an Obama supporter.
You've used the word 'Change' seven times.

Guess I should have busted out the thesaurus.

 

[Halon451]

True. More specifically it is those people who elected (and, even worse, re-elected) Baby Bush.

Yeah, but it goes deeper than that. To the point, and I quoted Darien below, one man is not powerful enough alone to either ruin or save the nation, when you consider the massive, bloated juggernaut that is our democratic system in Washington - Congress in particular, even down to the Supreme Court. A good strong President should know how to navigate those waters with finesse and and focus on what is best for the country, acting as much like a conduit as a kingpin to keep the rest of the clowns in the circus on track and driven towards the betterment of our society and its people, as well as our place and role in the global community.

My point is that it's pretty disingenuine to expect one politician to change the entire system. One man, no matter how powerful, is not going to be able to get every other public servant to change. Unfortunately, to get anything done in Washington, you have to play the game. But what Obama can do, is change people's thinking. Change the country by starting with small increments and let those ripple out and lead to bigger things. But if you want real change, then change the system.

And I sure as hell don't see McCain as being for any type of meaningful change. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and all that.

I highlighted the above words to illustrate a point. While I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding McCain, I still believe he represents the better of two undesirable options, JMHO. The word 'Change' means nothing by itself, but Obama has built his entire campaign around a single word, and unfortunately there's not too much to read into it beyond that. He's captivated an entire nation of people simply because they're unhappy and disenfranchised, in many ways because they have been led to believe that they are in misery and dire straits, in other ways because there are legitimate problems that need fixing. He comes along and mentions 'Change' and suddenly everyone's in, no hesitation or thought.

I'd alter that to say if McCain wins the rich are happy, if Obama wins the rich will still be happy just not as happy as they would have been under McCain, and everybody else gets screwed regardless.

That is logic that I can definitely agree with.

 

[speakerman39]

I'd alter that to say if McCain wins the rich are happy, if Obama wins the rich will still be happy just not as happy as they would have been under McCain, and everybody else gets screwed regardless.

Amen bro. Great summation to say the least. Kudos to you.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[mazersteven]

If you haven't seen this. I think you should invest 1:15 minutes of your life watching, and listening to this.

The Energy Non-Crisis
Lindsey Williams

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

 

[chadnliz]

Well lets see? Who should we keep happy, folks who work hard and build a business that employess hundreds, thousands of men and women so they can buy homes, send kids to college who will pay more taxes because they make more further growing our economy or option 2......

Keep the poor happy, so they can not strive to try harder, have more un-educated kids that will be a brick tied to the feet of our economy for further generations so they can continue to call themselves victims of their own laziness, irresponsible behaivor and deficient values..........hmmm this is a tough one, I am really confused.........c cc cccaaaant decide, oh I have it!
"F" the poor,when they try we will help but if they wont (and are capable) then let them rot because there are many truely deserving men, women and children who WANT to become a success but they are equaled or even out numbered by the lazy and mortally ignorant and with Liberals in control they will stay that way.
Everyone thinks Liberals help but they lift you up with one hand while pushing you down on the other, create a mentality of entitlement which becomes a vicious circle because the left is acutely aware of the fact that if there are no more victims there is no need for them. The left further employs the idea of dong good and never really producing as just the intention of doing good seems to be sadly enough for the masses and the promise is still alive but never fullfilled.....that is Liberalism at its finest.

 

[Davemcc]

Everyone thinks Liberals help but they lift you up with one hand while pushing you down on the other, create a mentality of entitlement which becomes a vicious circle because the left is acutely aware of the fact that if there are no more victims there is no need for them. The left further employs the idea of dong good and never really producing as just the intention of doing good seems to be sadly enough for the masses and the promise is still alive but never fullfilled.....that is Liberalism at its finest.

This seems like a valid assessment of the liberal left.