So Obama shows he is nothing new......

MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
I don't know about Obama or McCain. But did you see who is putting his name in the hat for President.

He has my vote.

It puts a huge smile on my face everytime I see highlights of the New York Giants defense pounding the crap out of Tom Brady in the superbowl.

“Because you know what we did to you? We stomped you out!”

Oh baby I love that!!!
 
C

chadnliz

Senior Audioholic
Today the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 to lift gun bans by city Government in Wasington DC with Kennedy being the swing vote, now if Obama was in office at this point and the two likely seats were retired and filed with what would no dount be Liberal Judge's do you realize how likely it would be that the gun ban could have been perhaps upheld and the flood gates would open across the country? As of today Washington DC, Chicago, and SanFransisco were all major areas where this ban was in some form in affect, it would spread like wild fire.............those who like Obama really need to think about issues just like this.
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Ok here you go but to be honest you would have to be in a coma or blinded by liberal faith not to see this,
When Obama runs on "Change" that implies that he is not going to do what all politicians do and that is say one thing and do another, he said his campaign wasnt about race and the other day he predicts the GOP will make issue of his skin color, he gives a big speach on race because of what his radical church and Rev Wright said that many found divisive and offensive claiming he could no more disown him than his own Grandma, yet a week or so later he quit the church because the heat was on. Very early in his run for Democratic nominee he wrote in a questionaire and again addressed the same issue in the Cleveland Democratic debate when both times he asked if he would accept the 84 million we tax payers give when we check that little box on our tax returns to donate to the Presidential race. Twice he said he was all for it and poof he changes his mind so he can try to purchase the Presidency by spending perhaps 4 times that amount from donations than McCain can by keeping his word and limiting himself to $84 million. That is proof that he is just another Politician that says what everyone wants to hear then changes his views to meet his own needs....same old same old.
It appears the only thing different about Obama is his skin color and for far too many thats all that they vote on. It is going to be a hard road for the GOP to tow seeing how the media is firmly in his camp, this issue of Rolling Stone is the second time since March this idiot is going to be on the cover, MTV for the first time in its 27 year history is going to allow Political ads on its network and countless children who can vote are going to cast a vote for him with no real idea of what the hell they are doing, same with the Black community. The White House is for sale this year and Obama is going to be getting a ton of help to purchase it, god help us if he wins.

Seth has some key points above that many need to understand, if you think doing anything with NAFTA will bring jobs back, think again. If you think fuel is going to drop in price or that his idea of taxing Oil with a "Winfall" tax wont raise all our prices.....think again. If you think his tax happy party is going to stop at the rich and not raise everyones taxes........think again. If you think we will be safe and sound by pulling out of Iraq and Afganistan, think again. But hell lets just see how screwed up he can make things if he wins, after 4 or as many as 8 years of the lefts B.S. the GOP will be back in power, and thats IF they loose this election but it is going to be very hard to do for sure.

If I have not made my case there is no help for you as you are blind to reality but I figured I would atleast show you I actaully know what I am talking about......................cheers
Unfortunately, everything you just mentioned is basically true of EVERY politician. You just try and find me ONE politician that didn't change his position on an issue to suit his political goals. It sucks, but that's the way Washington works.

You slam Obama's tax plan, but you think grandpa McCain's idiotic idea of a temporary gas tax repeal is going to do anything? In your words, think again. Do you honestly believe that our war in Iraq has made us safer? In your words, think again. Do you think that the GOP won't make issue of Obama's race? Think again. Didn't McCain originally espouse his full support of Bush? Then as Bush's approval rating went in the toilet, what did McCain do? He slowly but surely distanced himself from good ol' GW. Funny how that works.

I find it disturbing that you choose to blindly follow a party that has run this country into the worst recession of my lifetime. But hey, this is America and you can do whatever the hell you want. No candidate is perfect, but we definitely need leadership that is VASTLY different than what we have now.
 
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darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Today the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 to lift gun bans by city Government in Wasington DC with Kennedy being the swing vote, now if Obama was in office at this point and the two likely seats were retired and filed with what would no dount be Liberal Judge's do you realize how likely it would be that the gun ban could have been perhaps upheld and the flood gates would open across the country? As of today Washington DC, Chicago, and SanFransisco were all major areas where this ban was in some form in affect, it would spread like wild fire.............those who like Obama really need to think about issues just like this.
Isn't this the same Supreme Court that drastically reduced the fine imposed on Exxon, because they're all in Bush's oil buddies pockets?

Gimme a break. :rolleyes:
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
I
Had Enough?

Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course."

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

My friends tell me to calm down. They say, "Lee, you're eighty-two years old. Leave the rage to the young people." I'd love to—as soon as I can pry them away from their iPods for five seconds and get them to pay attention. I'm going to speak up because it's my patriotic duty. I think people will listen to me. They say I have a reputation as a straight shooter. So I'll tell you how I see it, and it's not pretty, but at least it's real. I'm hoping to strike a nerve in those young folks who say they don't vote because they don't trust politicians to represent their interests. Hey, America, wake up. These guys work for us.

Who Are These Guys, Anyway?

Why are we in this mess? How did we end up with this crowd in Washington? Well, we voted for them—or at least some of us did. But I'll tell you what we didn't do. We didn't agree to suspend the Constitution. We didn't agree to stop asking questions or demanding answers. Some of us are sick and tired of people who call free speech treason. Where I come from that's a dictatorship, not a democracy.

And don't tell me it's all the fault of right-wing Republicans or liberal Democrats. That's an intellectually lazy argument, and it's part of the reason we're in this stew. We're not just a nation of factions. We're a people. We share common principles and ideals. And we rise and fall together.

Where are the voices of leaders who can inspire us to action and make us stand taller? What happened to the strong and resolute party of Lincoln? What happened to the courageous, populist party of FDR and Truman? There was a time in this country when the voices of great leaders lifted us up and made us want to do better. Where have all the leaders gone?

The Test of a Leader

I've never been Commander in Chief, but I've been a CEO. I understand a few things about leadership at the top. I've figured out nine points—not ten (I don't want people accusing me of thinking I'm Moses). I call them the "Nine Cs of Leadership." They're not fancy or complicated. Just clear, obvious qualities that every true leader should have. We should look at how the current administration stacks up. Like it or not, this crew is going to be around until January 2009. Maybe we can learn something before we go to the polls in 2008. Then let's be sure we use the leadership test to screen the candidates who say they want to run the country. It's up to us to choose wisely.

So, here's my C list:

A leader has to show CURIOSITY. He has to listen to people outside of the "Yes, sir" crowd in his inner circle. He has to read voraciously, because the world is a big, complicated place. George W. Bush brags about never reading a newspaper. "I just scan the headlines," he says. Am I hearing this right? He's the President of the United States and he never reads a newspaper? Thomas Jefferson once said, "Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter." Bush disagrees. As long as he gets his daily hour in the gym, with Fox News piped through the sound system, he's ready to go.

If a leader never steps outside his comfort zone to hear different ideas, he grows stale. If he doesn't put his beliefs to the test, how does he know he's right? The inability to listen is a form of arrogance. It means either you think you already know it all, or you just don't care. Before the 2006 election, George Bush made a big point of saying he didn't listen to the polls. Yeah, that's what they all say when the polls stink. But maybe he should have listened, because 70 percent of the people were saying he was on the wrong track. It took a "thumping" on election day to wake him up, but even then you got the feeling he wasn't listening so much as he was calculating how to do a better job of convincing everyone he was right.

A leader has to be CREATIVE, go out on a limb, be willing to try something different. You know, think outside the box. George Bush prides himself on never changing, even as the world around him is spinning out of control. God forbid someone should accuse him of flip-flopping. There's a disturbingly messianic fervor to his certainty. Senator Joe Biden recalled a conversation he had with Bush a few months after our troops marched into Baghdad. Joe was in the Oval Office outlining his concerns to the President—the explosive mix of Shiite and Sunni, the disbanded Iraqi army, the problems securing the oil fields. "The President was serene," Joe recalled. "He told me he was sure that we were on the right course and that all would be well. 'Mr. President,' I finally said, 'how can you be so sure when you don't yet know all the facts?'" Bush then reached over and put a steadying hand on Joe's shoulder. "My instincts," he said. "My instincts." Joe was flabbergasted. He told Bush, "Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough." Joe Biden sure didn't think the matter was settled. And, as we all know now, it wasn't.

Leadership is all about managing change—whether you're leading a company or leading a country. Things change, and you get creative. You adapt. Maybe Bush was absent the day they covered that at Harvard Business School.

A leader has to COMMUNICATE. I'm not talking about running off at the mouth or spouting sound bites. I'm talking about facing reality and telling the truth. Nobody in the current administration seems to know how to talk straight anymore. Instead, they spend most of their time trying to convince us that things are not really as bad as they seem. I don't know if it's denial or dishonesty, but it can start to drive you crazy after a while. Communication has to start with telling the truth, even when it's painful. The war in Iraq has been, among other things, a grand failure of communication. Bush is like the boy who didn't cry wolf when the wolf was at the door. After years of being told that all is well, even as the casualties and chaos mount, we've stopped listening to him.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
A leader has to be a person of CHARACTER. That means knowing the difference between right and wrong and having the guts to do the right thing. Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you want to test a man's character, give him power." George Bush has a lot of power. What does it say about his character? Bush has shown a willingness to take bold action on the world stage because he has the power, but he shows little regard for the grievous consequences. He has sent our troops (not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens) to their deaths—for what? To build our oil reserves? To avenge his daddy because Saddam Hussein once tried to have him killed? To show his daddy he's tougher? The motivations behind the war in Iraq are questionable, and the execution of the war has been a disaster. A man of character does not ask a single soldier to die for a failed policy.

A leader must have COURAGE. I'm talking about balls. (That even goes for female leaders.) Swagger isn't courage. Tough talk isn't courage. George Bush comes from a blue-blooded Connecticut family, but he likes to talk like a cowboy. You know, My gun is bigger than your gun. Courage in the twenty-first century doesn't mean posturing and bravado. Courage is a commitment to sit down at the negotiating table and talk.

If you're a politician, courage means taking a position even when you know it will cost you votes. Bush can't even make a public appearance unless the audience has been handpicked and sanitized. He did a series of so-called town hall meetings last year, in auditoriums packed with his most devoted fans. The questions were all softballs.

To be a leader you've got to have CONVICTION—a fire in your belly. You've got to have passion. You've got to really want to get something done. How do you measure fire in the belly? Bush has set the all-time record for number of vacation days taken by a U.S. President—four hundred and counting. He'd rather clear brush on his ranch than immerse himself in the business of governing. He even told an interviewer that the high point of his presidency so far was catching a seven-and-a-half-pound perch in his hand-stocked lake.

It's no better on Capitol Hill. Congress was in session only ninety-seven days in 2006. That's eleven days less than the record set in 1948, when President Harry Truman coined the term do-nothing Congress. Most people would expect to be fired if they worked so little and had nothing to show for it. But Congress managed to find the time to vote itself a raise. Now, that's not leadership.

A leader should have CHARISMA. I'm not talking about being flashy. Charisma is the quality that makes people want to follow you. It's the ability to inspire. People follow a leader because they trust him. That's my definition of charisma. Maybe George Bush is a great guy to hang out with at a barbecue or a ball game. But put him at a global summit where the future of our planet is at stake, and he doesn't look very presidential. Those frat-boy pranks and the kidding around he enjoys so much don't go over that well with world leaders. Just ask German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who received an unwelcome shoulder massage from our President at a G-8 Summit. When he came up behind her and started squeezing, I thought she was going to go right through the roof.

A leader has to be COMPETENT. That seems obvious, doesn't it? You've got to know what you're doing. More important than that, you've got to surround yourself with people who know what they're doing. Bush brags about being our first MBA President. Does that make him competent? Well, let's see. Thanks to our first MBA President, we've got the largest deficit in history, Social Security is on life support, and we've run up a half-a-trillion-dollar price tag (so far) in Iraq. And that's just for starters. A leader has to be a problem solver, and the biggest problems we face as a nation seem to be on the back burner.

You can't be a leader if you don't have COMMON SENSE. I call this Charlie Beacham's rule. When I was a young guy just starting out in the car business, one of my first jobs was as Ford's zone manager in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. My boss was a guy named Charlie Beacham, who was the East Coast regional manager. Charlie was a big Southerner, with a warm drawl, a huge smile, and a core of steel. Charlie used to tell me, "Remember, Lee, the only thing you've got going for you as a human being is your ability to reason and your common sense. If you don't know a dip of horseshit from a dip of vanilla ice cream, you'll never make it." George Bush doesn't have common sense. He just has a lot of sound bites. You know—Mr.they'll-welcome-us-as-liberators-no-child-left-behind-heck-of-a-job-Brownie-mission-accomplished Bush.

Former President Bill Clinton once said, "I grew up in an alcoholic home. I spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world—and I like it here."

I think our current President should visit the real world once in a while.

The Biggest C is Crisis

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. Where was George Bush? He was reading a story about a pet goat to kids in Florida when he heard about the attacks. He kept sitting there for twenty minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's all on tape. You can see it for yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest route back to Washington and immediately going on the air to reassure the panicked people of this country, he decided it wasn't safe to return to the White House. He basically went into hiding for the day—and he told Vice President **** Cheney to stay put in his bunker. We were all frozen in front of our TVs, scared out of our wits, waiting for our leaders to tell us that we were going to be okay, and there was nobody home. It took Bush a couple of days to get his bearings and devise the right photo op at Ground Zero.

That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was paralyzed. And what did he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us down the road to Iraq—a road his own father had considered disastrous when he was President. But Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a higher father. He prides himself on being faith based, not reality based. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, I don't know what will.

A Hell of a Mess

So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, competence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when "the Big Three" referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen—and more important, what are we going to do about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bobblehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises—the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horseshit and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises—the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the horseshit and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had enough.
Amen brother!!!! This is about as real as it gets people. Very well written. Could not have done it any better myself. Thank you for posting this as it is a very interesting read. Kudos to you mazer for doing so. Lee sure brings up a lot of good points in his book.

Cheers,

Phil
 
obscbyclouds

obscbyclouds

Senior Audioholic
Amen brother!!!! This is about as real as it gets people. Very well written. Could not have done it any better myself. Thank you for posting this as it is a very interesting read. Kudos to you mazer for doing so. Lee sure brings up a lot of good points in his book.

Cheers,

Phil
You do realize that it's a quote from a book and Mazer didn't write that, don't you? ;)
 
speakerman39

speakerman39

Audioholic Overlord
You do realize that it's a quote from a book and Mazer didn't write that, don't you? ;)
Yeah I do. Just read the last sentence in my post as I mentioned Lee. Did not even attempt to spell his last name. But, I do agree with much of what was in mazer's reference to Lee's book. In fact, I now want to read it. Thanks once again mazer.

Cheers,

Phil
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
you mean mazersteven HASN'T lived through the great depression and WWII? ;)
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
you mean mazersteven HASN'T lived through the great depression and WWII? ;)
Hey now. Why did you just stop there?

The Korean War, The Kennedy assassination

I remember the Vietnam War but was a very young Mazer at the time.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
LOL. fine.

Mazersteven was in the classroom being read the goat story by Bush when 9/11 happened. :D
 
obscbyclouds

obscbyclouds

Senior Audioholic
The problem I have my Mr. Iacocca (while I respect what he did as a CEO) is that he doesn't seem to offer any ideas! It's all talk of "Stand up and make change". That doesn't help us. Maybe he should be running for president also?

The whole thing reads like an attack on George Bush. That's fine, no one likes him, I understand that. I have no particular care for him either. However, he didn't "regain his composure" after 9/11, and then send us to Iraq. There was (and still is) this place called Afghanistan that everyone seems to have forgotten. We are still there, battling the Taliban and Al-Queda fighters. You don't hear about it on the news, because it's going relatively well. The same thing is true about Iraq when it is going well.

I'm not trying to defend GWB here, he's made some stupid mistakes: "Mission Accomplished" for one, Border Security and amnesty for another. BUT, it wasn't as though he was the only one who thought there were Nuclear/Chemical Weapons in Iraq. It was pretty much thought to be the case throughout the world intelligence community. He didn't invade Iraq to get more oil, or to get contracts for Haliburton. To suggest so is just mindless speculation and partisanship.

Either way, there's not much of a chance in this election. People are complacent, until something terrible happens to us again (read: 9/11 with 100 times the deathtoll, or an outbreak of Ebola, etc.) nothing will change. People need a wake up call, it's happened time and time again throughout history. Until it effects their daily lives, things will continue and everyone will be apathetic. Read up on the fall of the Roman Empire if you don't believe me.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
No I remember exactly where I was that moment. :(
me too actually. i was coming home from school (law school) and saw the airplane hits on TV repeated continuously. :(

i remember the death estimates were said to be in the ten thousands.
 

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