Music Stealing?????

[Halon451]

In the context of this topic he doesn't have to answer your question. You made a statement that was mis-informed about copyright. You were corrected. That doesn't get invalidated because you ask if someone has ever done something against the law.

You are using a broad, extremely undefined question to bolster your own view, or to simply call someone hypocritical.

This thread has run it's course. Humans are creatures of ultimate utility as in getting something for nothing. I understand that. I don't worked up or lose sleep over it.

But I will leave you with this: The last business owner who infringed our copyright by pirating our $4K software product cost him self $36K in damages and $22k in attorney fees. I am not sure what he had to pay the firm representing him, but figure $22K-$44K since he used a big 'white shoe' firm.

Bulls**t jinjuku. It's you guys who got wrapped around the issue of what is constituted as distribution under copyright laws - I personally believe the law is not descript enough when it comes to single person to person sharing - despite your wikipedia links, I just didn't see it.

I targeted you guys specifically and yes - my question was entirely relevant because both of you found a need to stand up and start preaching, like usual, so I called you out, plain and simple. Go lick your wounds like men and stop trying to salvage whatever point you were trying to make in this circus of a thread.

I agree - this thing has run its course - we left the OP in the dust even. Mods, please shut it down at your discretion.

 

[jinjuku]

I guarantee everyone that has posted in this thread has infringed copyrights or plagarized something at one time in their life. I bet I can look at everyones history of what they have posted here on this website and could find some copyright they have infringed or plagarism. Alot of times we do not even know we are doing it. We are all guilty of this, I do think this is even worthy of an argument.

There was a famous saying about modern government and laws:

"Find me the most honest man and have him write six sentences in his own hand and I will find something there to hang him with"

That isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about the pointed distribution of copyrighted works were people damned well know better but do it any ways. Big difference.

I don't mind having this conversation, but to mutate it beyond what any reasonable person knows what we are all discussing is disingenuous.

There was a study about the amount of monetary damages that if tallied up over a year due to inadvertent copyright violations would be in the 100's of millions. Truly startling, so in a way Minus, you have a VERY valid point.

I am a proponent of FAIR copyright laws and FAIR use laws. The balance is so messed up in the favor of big business:

1. Insane copyright extensions
2. DRM
3. Broadcast Flag
4. HDCP

I will honestly get to the point that if they don't want me using it, I won't. The library is full of books, I like the outdoors, I like building speakers etc...

What I won't countenance outside of all of this is copying someones efforts and not rewarding them for it. It is simple as the golden rule. It's also something that I wouldn't teach my children.

 

[jinjuku]

Bulls**t jinjuku. It's you guys who got wrapped around the issue of what is constituted as distribution under copyright laws - I personally believe the law is not descript enough when it comes to single person to person sharing - despite your wikipedia links, I just didn't see it.

I targeted you guys specifically and yes - my question was entirely relevant because both of you found a need to stand up and start preaching, like usual, so I called you out, plain and simple. Go lick your wounds like men and stop trying to salvage whatever point you were trying to make in this circus of a thread.

I agree - this thing has run its course - we left the OP in the dust even. Mods, please shut it down at your discretion.

Licking wounds? The current law supports both Pyyro and my view point. You can either believe it or not...

Ask the people that got nailed by RIAA.

 

[Art_H]

The markets ACE up their sleeve should be...

What really gets me going is the industry's poor quality in music and movies. They expect that when they produce shody quality that the populace will just take it and happily shovel it into their mouths with a grin

What has hapenned here is that the industry has not kept pace with the technology and playing media. The government collects taxes on MP3 players, yet to get a quality mp3 to place upon it, you more often than not have to make it yourself. And if I want an MP3, why should I have to download it and pay for it when I already own the CD? Why can't I make a copy of a cd or DVD because they are fragile and the industry has not produced a quality plastic to package the aluminum substrate, that doesn't scratch.
There is not even an exchange program in the 25 years od cds being on the market. I just heard that there is a music retailer that will resurface scratched cds. Great. Been a long time coming.

I just bought a DVD player taht happens to play SACDs. The problem is that I now have the massive quest to try and find SACDs to play. SACDs can now be made with a dual layer, able to play in regular cd players. I would see this as a natural progression in tech, and for the love of the music and quality of sound. But the industry is more interested in making money any way it can. With their cut throat methods and tactics, who is really on the moral high ground here. A guy who makes a copy of a Disney DVD for his kid so they don't scratch it, or the record labels who have continualy screwed artists and the public.

I want high quality music. I want multi-channel music. I will buy your material, but dammit, make it fair priced, and a quality recording. MAybe with quality MP3 files as well. Let's embrace the beauty of the music and bring forth a revolution of quality that has been reduced to the old AM one speaker car sound systems with the MP3 phenomenon and head phones.

A great example is Neil Young, who is releasing his comilations on BluRay only. He was waiting for such a format to release his works. An artist who cares. There are currently just over 5000 SACDs in circ. Try and get some of them... Amazon has some but they are way overpriced. The local cd retailers hardly even know what they are... and good luck trying to find a good selection of music now in a retail store, over half the damn store is DVDs

I believe that artists should be able to make money from their talent and efforts. I'd like to see artist have more control with their work. Eliminating the record labels. The tech is there.

Just a quick example here. Who actually funded the movie "The Hottie and the Nottie"? with Paris Hilton. You gatta be kidding me. 'nuff said there.
Iron Man, on the other hand, was/is amazing. That is a movie to see in the theaters. That is what will/should stop people from downloading movies/cams.

Be fruitfull and create/listen to beautiful music...

 

[jinjuku]

What really gets me going is the industry's poor quality in music and movies. They expect that when they produce shody quality that the populace will just take it and happily shovel it into their mouths with a grin

What has hapenned here is that the industry has not kept pace with the technology and playing media. The government collects taxes on MP3 players, yet to get a quality mp3 to place upon it, you more often than not have to make it yourself. And if I want an MP3, why should I have to download it and pay for it when I already own the CD? Why can't I make a copy of a cd or DVD because they are fragile and the industry has not produced a quality plastic to package the aluminum substrate, that doesn't scratch.

Agreed. You can rip your CD's by the way. There is no one that will take you to court over it. All perfectly legal. DVD's should be the same way but remember: BIG business runs this country and sets the laws, not government. It is ridiculous that you aren't legally allowed to bypass CSS (technically it is doable) for DVD's that you own.

 

[Halon451]

What is today, the day for stirring up hornet's nests around here on topics that should have just been left to drift quietly off the radar?

 

[Art_H]

What is today, the day for stirring up hornet's nests around here on topics that should have just been left to drift quietly off the radar?

I don't think the gradual decay of quality music in the mainstream and the limited media quality for purists (or just informed people) a small thing.

Copyright issues aside, where's my 5.1 audio? It looks as if I'm going to have to buy online from Hong Kong to get my SACDs...

I'm looking around for the hornets flying around around, but don't see any here. I don't think that a mature discussion on the direction of media laws and formats to play in our quality equipment an issue, or stirring up a hornet's nest. Rather respectful concern as a quality oriented consumer, that the woould like to see the really simple changes come into play, de-escalating the tension around this industry.

Just as the heart of audioholics site/forum is quality and knowledge and sharing ideas of sound in all aspects, I think media is a big part of that.
The media is truly the heart and soul of the sound, and anythinng laccking there will result in poor sound no matter the speakers/system.

Hopefully with the BluRay scene, things will change. Toshiba has not given up either, and still has some sticks up their sleeve with which to smack Sony around.

Healthy competition benefits everyone.

 

[Halon451]

I don't think the gradual decay of quality music in the mainstream and the limited media quality for purists (or just informed people) a small thing.

That's not exactly what stirred the hornet's nest the first time around. I think we can all agree with you on the above statement. But it might be a good topic for a new thread. Feel free amigo, the floor's yours.

Oh and welcome to the forum.