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Bhyche

Audiophyte
Starting to finish out a couple of rooms in the basement. Are there any books / manuals about prewiring? Have not purchased any equipment yet. Looking to mount plasma on end wall. Receiver and all other components will be located below TV. 5.1 surround in main room, + 2 speakers in a back room, + 2 outdoor speakers. Would like to run all seperatly.
Want to be able to run TV in main room thru surround speakers as well as by itself - w/o surround. Not sure what cables to run - other than HDMI from receiver to TV and speaker cables. Also have questions on terminating speaker and other cables - use wall plates or ?
I know a lot depends on budget - just trying to get ideas for "mid-priced" system. Thank you,
 
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jamie2112

Banned
Welcome to AH, it sounds like you have to make a few decisions before we can help. First of all you don't have any equipment yet so you need to figure out what you want first and a price range so that we can start to make a gear list. I would audition as many speakers as you can. As far as cables go Bluejeans cables is the way forward. Do you want separates or an HT receiver? Budget is the main question....
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Hi Bhyche, welcome.
If you're putting a drop ceiling in the basement, you'll be able to run some vertical conduit in the wall behind the equipment, and run the wires above the ceiling.
If not conduit, at least leave several pull strings in the wall, to pull wires up into the ceiling.
For speaker wire, it will have to be CL2 wire (in wall rated)

It would be nice if your electrical panel was in the basement, either way; I would run a few dedicated 20amp circuits behind the equipment rack.
That should get you started.
 
crashkelly

crashkelly

Full Audioholic
Hi Bhyche and welcome to the institution, err... I mean forum :D

On your topic of prewire, and speaking from recent experience, wire for everything you can think of, speakers, sub(s), hdmi, component, composite, network (cat5e or cat6), standard audio (white and red), multichannel audio, .... and then when all that is done, run conduit so you can add in the future. Actually all the above wiring should be in conduit in case you need to change something out later.

I myself did not run conduit and now very much regret it. For example, at the time I wired, I had one device in my rack that required an internet connection. I thought I would be smart and run two cat5e wires so I would have one for the future. Well, basement is nearing completion and I now have three devices that "require" an internet connection. I now have to put a network switch in my rack to accommodate the devices, something I thought I was avoiding my running two connections to start.

When I mapped out my wiring, I included everything I could think of in terms of connections and therefore made the choice to not run conduit. Bad move on my part.

I also choose to build all the wires myself, except the HDMI which I purchased from Blue Jeans Cable. I chose to do this for both the experience and to save a little money. I purchased good quality RG6-QS coaxial cable, in-wall rated 12 gauge speaker wire, and various connectors. When it came time, I had somewhere in the order of 100 connections to terminate. It took a long time and my fingers were raw. Looking back, I would not do it again. I would purchase all cables from somehere like Blue Jeans Cables (just an example as I know they custom build cables to any length you choose, but I do recommend them). If you do choose to "roll your own" as they say, take a look at these HIP type of connectors. Basically they are your coaxial termination and wall plate connector all in one. I have not used them myself but I have read they are excellent.

I also choose to use termination wall plates as to me personally it gives a more finished appearance than having a cutout wall plate with wires hanging out of it. That is just my opinion however. A lot will say the later is better as it reduces the number of connections. In my case, and since I wired for "everything", I would have a significant amount of wires hanging out of the cutout wall plate that I would more than likely never use as my itention is that all components, other than speakers, will be connected via HDMI.

Another tip I thought might be worth sharing is to leave a service loop of wire at your main connection point(s) for TV, network, phone, ....
When I took on the task of developing my basement I decided to wire/rewire the entire house. Luckily, all services entered the house at the same point so I have one spot to connect all the fun to. I left about a metre (3 feet) extra on each "wire" so that if I ever come back in the future to change anything out I have enough slack to cut the old connector off and re-terminate with ease. Same goes with speaker wires, especially surrounds as it will/would be nice to have some extra wire there just in case you ever want/need to relocate them.

There you go. This was my first shot at creating an HT space and I cannot wait to do it again sometime as I know a lot more now than I did then.

Cheers and good luck
Michael
 
crashkelly

crashkelly

Full Audioholic
I would run a few dedicated 20amp circuits behind the equipment rack.
What he said :D

I did two dedicated 20amp circuits, one for the equipment rack, and one for the subwoofer and TV. The second was done moreso to avoid running extension cords as that is a no-no for asthetics and in general.

Cheers
Michael
 
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ChunkyDark

Full Audioholic
Something that helped me when figuring out my setup was looking at threads where people showed pics of their setups. There are a lot of good ideas and some good "bad" examples. It was also helpful so make a collection of the pics to show my wife so she had her chance for input. It brought her more into the process other than just the accounting side :)
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Conduit, conduit, conduit!

I know it's been said already, but you get the very unique opportunity to really make things future proof when you put in access ahead of time. This means 1" or larger conduit to most locations. Carlon conduit (orange) is available from a number of websites and isn't very expensive.

To any display location (TV) you want to make sure to run composite video, compoennt video, VGA video, and HDMI video. I would also run 2 or 3 pieces of CAT-5 cabling for future control capabilities.

For speakers, you want a decent gauge of cabling, I would call a minimum of 14 gauge, 2 conductor, a reasonable start, but you can do more/better if you want.

Don't forget power at where your subwoofer will be along with a piece of COAX cable to carry the audio signal.

Incoming audio/video from satellite, networking, etc. all needs to be considered as well.

Lighting is often taken for granted when A/V is considered. The two are not mutually exclusive and you should carefully plan your lighting in the room to maximize the video experience which may include 3-6 zones of lighting in any area of the basement with IR or RF control of the lights. It is about as easy to wire in a speaker as it is to put in a recessed light fixture. You cut a hole and connect a few wires.

Forget most other things about your components - they are generally very similar for conectivity, but the newest features, and desires for most A/V gear includes digital audio and video via HDMI, and networking via CAT-5/6 or wi-fi.

Think about if you ever may want to put in a front projector and where that may go and run a couple of pieces of conduit to that location.

But, running conduit, to all incoming/outgoing locations can really maximize your flexibility for just a couple hundred bucks. I ran about 200 feet in my home and wish I ran more than I actually did.
 
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