Top 5 things Best Buy doesn't want you to know

BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
annunaki said:
I pride myself, and the store I manage, on proper information and knowledge.
I think there are a LOT of people that benefit from solid B&M stores. They have a purpose which should be exactly what you stated. To provide a superior level of service than BB/CC and to save the customer from having to wade through websites (like this one even) to just setup their home theater or audio only system. I have been into a few good places in the Washington, DC area and am always impressed and wishing my pockets were deeper and my bills less. I would most definitely support them.

On the other hand, for those of us willing to do our own research and to fully immerse ourselves in the installation process, B&M holds no value and manufacturers not willing to sell w/warranty online at the best possible pricing is an insult.

Yes, there will be those who will go into your store, rape you for information, then buy online. But, those people are already doing that in many cases. It always sucks when that happens.

I live by my labor and my expertise. If I was a poor programmer or Crestron systems failed to wow people, I would not be employed for very long. Heck, I am most definitely in the upper 5% or less with what I am doing. But, I still consider it a huge value added product that comes with a premium price. But, for me, I don't care as much about where people BUY the product, as long as they are paying for the programming and any associated engineering and labor, then my job is done and a profit should be made.

One of the difficult parts with B&M is that brands are limited. It would be nice to go online and be able to choose from any brand of speaker that is manufactured. Rotel, B&W, Meridian, Axiom, Energy, Polk, Klipsch, etc. I have to go to half a dozen stores to see all those brands, and even then, they may not have what I want available right away. Then I still will need to take it home to audition it!

When I need help, B&M is where I go - and where I buy from. When I don't need help, I just want the best price and the manufacturer to honor their own warranty.
 
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MBauer

Audioholic
Educated Consumers

The bottom line is you have to be an educated consumer.

This is a great thread and it offers some outstanding insight into the high stakes world of retail.

I could offer up a similar experience that my father-in-law ran into at a high end independent retailer, a focus on moving the box and not on customer service or even the knowledgeable insights they are supposedly capable of offering.
 
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Methost

Full Audioholic
Being an educated consumer, I enjoy the big box electronics stores. I may be somewhat of an HT newb on these forums, but I know enough about BB and their monster cables, extended service plans and SI/EW subscriptions to enter their doors and not worry about getting screwed.

I also enjoy playing a game I call "Stump the staff". I don't need to tell you the rules as I am sure you could figure them out. I also like messing up a potential sale if I happen to over hear one. I have no qualms about sharing what I know with people that are about to spend a lot of money they shouldnt.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Resident Loser said:
markw said:
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Best Buy is fine if you know exactly what you want and they have it at the price you want to pay. Any interaction with the local inhabitants is at your own risk.
...give dat man a big seegar...

Unfortunately, this seems to be the general rule for making a purchase of nearly anything, anywhere...

jimHJJ(...I think it's something in the water...)
While reading this thread, I was thinking the same thing. I've encountered obnoxious, ill-informed sales staff at boutique shops, too. They are different, however, in that they are more likely to be snooty as well.

Naturally, these things are extremely variable, but it certainly is not a problem exclusive to big chains like Best Buy.
 
Khellandros66

Khellandros66

Banned
I still love BB and the big stores for alot things, such as quick fixes like my Harman Kardon FL8380 went the other day.. Rather wait 4 months + to get a nicer player i needed a cheapy one to take place. I bought the Sony DVP-NC80V and the 4y PSP (I know the plan wel enough to trust it). The way I look at it is I spend $400+ now but in 6-12months HD-DVD rolls out well I now have a outdated player that was $400+

Buying the cheaper play means i have something for now and once the HD DVD is out I bump to that.

Anyways. The death of most of these companies is cheap customers. Think about it when was the last time you went to best buy fora $400 anything?? So where do you think the pressure is to make money Insurance programs. I worked for CompUSA and the Drill 1000x harder then Best buy did. The managers receive a quarterly bonus if they are over 6% average attachments. Well who do you think they want to hiar. Well OOOPPS we don't have the payroll to get the big saleman because avg consumer is a cheap..SOB..

~Bob
 
pikers

pikers

Audioholic
sgtbyls said:
Wow, I feel so guilty now about wanting to save money and not get screwed. I think I'm gonna head over to a few of these stores and just give them some money just so they can continue to have the opertunity to sell something to me.
Well, yes. When you walk into someone's store, you are in their house, and your job, if nothing else, is to be respectful of the reciprocation that is expected of a business relationship.

I will agree that some kid chasing you to the front counter pushing a warranty is a little excessive...:p
 
pikers

pikers

Audioholic
Stryf3 said:
This I don't understand. Is it such a big deal to say no? It's their job to ask a couple of times and try to convince you. It always cracks me up when I deal with people like this. It's as though I have magic words that will MAKE you invest in an extended warranty (or whatever) unless you get very angry and threaten to leave the store.
He must be getting used to this :rolleyes: from employees at these stores.

That small bonus the salesperson *might* get is small in comparison to the skrill saved in case you're staring at a dead TV three months after the manufacturer's warranty runs out.
 
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acv19602

Audiophyte
bb

i know this is not completely relevant, but to the guy that said there is barely any markup on tvs... that is completly false.. as a best buy employee (purley for discounts) its one of the most markedup items in the store.. trust me we get 5 percent over cost and thats like 50% discount on tv.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
i know this is not completely relevant, but to the guy that said there is barely any markup on tvs... that is completly false.. as a best buy employee (purley for discounts) its one of the most markedup items in the store.. trust me we get 5 percent over cost and thats like 50% discount on tv.

Welcome but your about three years late to this party.;)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Just to reiterate... I hate best buy :D
Hee, hee. Yeah, I'm not a fan, either. However, when I bought my receiver back in 2005, they were willing to match the total price from an internet dealer. So, I was quite pleased with that because I could go get it and have it the same day.

And the thread rises from the ashes...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I wouldn't hate BB except for the fact they push Monster cables down your throat. I got duped before I knew any better, and I still see that manager/salesman time to time when I find myself wandering in there.

I don't have any inkling to physically harm him anymore, but I still resent him. I probably know as much, or more, about AV than he does he now. All within the time span of 1.5 years or so.

I guess he's just doing his "job". However, I think its bad business. I'm sure fellow audioholics are regarded the same way by their friends as I am by mine, and a lot of negative feedback from a trusted source is plain bad business I would think.

I just gave my friend 15 ft and 6 ft Monoprice HDMI cables. Total was less then $25. I'm not sure if you can even get a 3ft optical from BB for that price. Don't even get me started on BD prices. :eek:
 
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Twingy

Audiophyte
I'd have to agree on all these points. The no-interest financing has been the selling point to me for Best Buy purchases over anywhere else. But I've also gone in to the store each time knowing what I want and also why I want it. I went in yesterday to pick up a Yamaha VXR663 receiver because my old one didn't do HMDI audio and with the PS3 I want to get HD audio from my Blu-Rays (*damn* by the way, what a difference in sound quality). Anyway, I was browsing the racks and saw the HK AVR247 and was curious about its capabilities. So I asked the button pusher at the counter if it could do DTS HD and Dolby HD over HDMI. He messed around with the computer then told me the best it would do is 720p. I pretty much knew at that point that he was completely useless. So I just grabbed the Yamaha and paid.

Now about the PSPs... I get them but I read the little brochure first to know whats included for each product. I bought a Mio GPS from BB with a PSP. When it broke I called the 800 number and they said they would send me a gift card for the original amount of the purchase and that I should discard the broken product since it was discontinued. It was still under the manufacturer warranty and they fixed it for me and sent it back, so that worked out well.

Just know your stuff before you go in there and don't let them sell you all that other crap we all know you don't need and you'll be ok.
 
Soundman

Soundman

Audioholic Field Marshall
I should have posted this long ago. As a former employee, here is an insider's look at the top 5 things from the HT department of Best Buy (where I worked) that I guarantee they do not want their customers to know.

5. Barely legal bait and switch schemes. They push the limits of the laws with many of their flyer ads with some cheap product, like a 40 dollar DVD player to get you in the store, in hopes of encouraging you to buy something better, ie more expensive. That's the salesmen's job under any circumstance, so it doesn't change with these cheapo sales events either.

4. Open box items are usually returned items, not something that just happened to get opened in store, which rarely happens. I've seen many store employees try to avoid saying it was returned, in fear of losing the sale. Also most employees don't take the time to properly label the open box tags so you may think you are getting all accessories when you are not.

3. I've discussed this before, but here is more on this subject. As part of employee training, monster cables are drilled into employee's heads as a part of all applicable sales add ons from day one. In fact it is part of the "Total Solution" mechanism in place that all employess are to follow during their sales routine. Employees are told straight up that monster's products are superior, but never given any detailed reason why this is supposedly so. The employees I witnessed would typically memorize much of the fluff that was written on the package, on their own behalf, as a way to more quickly answer customer questions, preserve "expert" status, and eliminate possible reservations that the customer might have about spending more on something that was already provided in the box. In fact, this was often lied about. Employees don't like telling customers that zipcords come with their dvd player when asked. If they employees are forced into telling a customer, they will be quick to point how poor in quality they are in comparison to monster's products. One manager would actually say "The only thing (the customer) better be using zipcords cords for is to hold their trunk shut after they've just bought something". AR cables and recoton cables are seen as a failure of doing a proper sale at Best Buy and used only as a last ditch effort to get the customer to buy a little something extra. If an employee doesn't ask you "do you want cables, an antenna, blank discs, tapes, etc. with that?" when you are buying an applicable product, then they are simply not doing their job as instructed.

2. Employee know how. There was a recent Home Theater magazine article on the knowledge of Circuit City, Ultimate Electronics, and Best Buy employees. The rag was trying to determine how well each store knew their stuff. I knew what the results of this absolutely retarded article were going to be before I even began reading it, but as a former employee I read it anyway for curiousity's sake. The results, of course, depended on the individual knowledge of the employee that the writers happened to speak to.

Best Buys's policy is for each employee to know as much as they can about the products they sell in their primary area of responsibility. Yet, in order to do so they have to research the product almost entirely on their own time. During slow times throughout the day when you would think an employee could do a little studying, typically this is when the merchandising manager obegins running around being his/her most concerned about the store's cleanliness and the straighntess of the product on the shelves etc., so employees rarely get to know their products that well and also because of the constant product turnover. Also keep in mind when selling something such as a DVD player you can only know so much by looking at the box, the little tag, and the exterior of a product, never once getting a chance to operate its menus or analyse its performance on screen. For these reasons, the most knowledgable of employees are those who are interested in HT, music, etc. for their own personal hobbies and interests and know about these things from the time they spend reading learning, and using them outside of work. Best Buy would rather you think their "friendly experts" are well seasoned and well informed NOT some pimple faced kid, but usually that's exactly what they are. The technical training employees do get is nearly non-existant, and the little that is given is usually in the form of hurried-up computer modules so they can get you back to the sales floor. Also good training starts at the top, and when most employee's superiors know less about the produts than the salespeople do, it's a lost cause from the beginning.

1. PSP. This little acronym stands for Perfomance Service Plan, or better known to most as an extended warranty. It is the single biggest thing harped on by managers to their sales staff to be absolutely certain to sell. coincidentally, it is also one of the most lucrative things that Best Buy sales in terms of pure profit, (cables are up there also). The reason for this is because very rarely do customers take adavantage of the plan., and believe me they know this. If everything is done correctly an employees should try to sell you a PSP on any device which has one, and then the person at the register should also ask you,, though it is the sales persons job to sell it to you. The person at the register merely acts as a vocal reminder. Managers prefer employees to sell their products with PSPs at the register in the department so you can't walk and think alone, since this allows an opportunity for this pressure approach to fail.

The explanations of coverage by the PSP it is often errored, because the specific coverage varies from product to product. This causes a tremendous amount of confusion and often salespeople tell you that something is covered under the plan when in fact it is not. The employee probably doesn't do this consciously, but because the managaers are as confused about the specific coverage as anyone else their is no source for accurate information when making the sale, so employees might embellish when they aren't sure.

The status of a salesmen lives and dies by the ability to sale the PSP along with as many other related products as is possible.The more expensive the product, the more expensive the PSP, and consequently the more important it is for a salesmen to attach one to the sale. If a salesmen sales a big screen television without a PSP you can bet money that the manager is going to be wondering why, and you can bet the employee is going to be trying to avoid the manager for the next few hours. An employee would also be expected to sale cables, a dvd player, a surge supressor, and whatever else seemed logical as a result of answers to strategically asked questions during a big screen sale. This is the idea of the "Total Solution" I spoke of earlier. You didn't think they asked all these questions to be nice did you?, but that's how they try to play it off. Friendly experts with all the answers.

Most employees will probably tell you in private thet they hate selling PSPs because it is a contradiction to th view that the corporate office holds dear. The corporate ideolgy is that of a proper, friendly, non pressured sales approach. Unfortuately this happens only in theory compared with that which actually takes place. In practice, managers ride the asses of employees to sell the PSP. So much so that salespeople are basically forced into being very bullish in their approach to selling them, and that's when an employee is forced to be very "creative" in how they handle the situation, sort of be friendly, but persistant as hell approach.

Well I hope this post was informative, I wish all former employees would call out on their experiences. I think this only helps consumers understand the mendling that goes on behind the scenes.

Peace,
hopjohn
This is very interesting information and reminds me of a visit to BB i had a couple weeks ago. I was looking around at the televisions, and the salesman, came over and was talking to me for a while (he was obviously trying to sell me something). An elderly couple approached us and asked the salesman, "What does the 'P' in 720P and 1080p mean?" A simple question, right? Well, apparently not. The salesman responded with, "Hold on a moment. I'll have to look that up." I about died. I tried so hard not to laugh. I couldn't believe this guy was selling HDTV's and he didn't know even the most basic questions about them. I then watched the whole conversation unfold and it was quite funny. This post reminded me of the whole thing and I must say, the knowledge of the sales staff is very limited. :)
 
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fiosmeup

Audioholic Intern
I had a customer at Circuit City that signed up for Verizon Fios- they had just bought a HDTV and a HDMI cable, I told them they do not need the HDMI cable because verizon gives you one for free, so the customer returned it to the sales person. The Home theatre Manager wanted to throw me out of the store for telling the Customer to return the HDMI Cable.
I've worked in 20 or so Best Buys and Circuit Citys- Some are bad, but most are pretty good.
Open Box- I bought a Harmony remote, the guy that returned it started to open the box and realized it was not an IF remote and returned it, the plastic was cut but the remote looked like it was untouched.
Open Boxes can be good deals on some products- I was always told they were returns when I was in the store,.
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Wal-Mart does most of this same crap in their electronics department. Always try to get the customer to sign up for a credit card, always try to get the customer to purchase cables, surge protectors, and other accesseries, and always try to get the customer to purchase the service plan. We sell many service plans on our TVs, not so many credit cards (as I don't typically even mention it), and we sell plenty accesseries as well. We wheren't carrying Monster cable for some time, but they just put them back in the inventory.:mad:
 
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mudrummer99

Senior Audioholic
I guess I'll chime in as a current BB employee. I have worked in 4 different stores over the past couple years. Each store has its own vibe and goals that its management imposes upon its sales people. Some stores push PSP, some install services and some accessories. I am fortunate that my last couple of stores have been relatively easy going. They set goals for basket attachment like every other retail business out there. I don't get reamed if I don't sell PSP's or enough accessories. My managers realize that it is a numbers game, those that want it will buy it, those that don't, won't. The people on the fence are where asking questions helps figure out what it is they are trying to do in their setup and then getting them there within the budget they have. I personally don't sell monster cables if I can avoid it. I usually default to Rocketfish, and have even been given crap from other employees for doing so, but that is how I do it. At my store, most of us are very honest with our customers, my supervisor has a very strict "don't BS the customer" philosophy. I like this since I hate telling people what they want to hear for a sale. I mean, since BB has a 30 day return policy, what good is it to sell someone something they don't want just to have it come back 2 weeks later? But I do understand where most of you are coming from. Again I have been fortunate to work with relatively competent people in my time with this company but I have also had extremely bad experiences in other stores. Its hit or miss, and is almost completely dependent on the people that work in the store. There are BBs that I refuse to shop in since the customer service is so bad. I guess its just a luck game, and sometimes you just have a good store that happens to be a couple miles from your store. Well there's my two cents. Thanks for reading

Mike
 
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