Top 5 things Best Buy doesn't want you to know

johndoe

johndoe

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wow! this thread has brought the worst in many an audioholic!
I don't own an Ipod, but my friend recently bought hers at BB and when apple reduced the price she just took it back. no questions asked, she got a full refund... it's not all bad at BB.
Another story, I ordered a set of athena speakers on the BB website and by the time I got them, let's just say I had changed my mind, so I took them to the store. I got my full refund (minus S&H), they put them back on the open item shelf. Last time I went there (about 4 weeks later), there they were, neatly packed inside the box, at a much discounted price... If they're still there next weekend I'll just buy them at 40% MSRP (because it's a best buy I wonder if they'll have me arrested.
 
pikers

pikers

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Mudcat said:
My complaint about both Beast Bum and Circuit $H!!tty...


The names are Best Lie and Jerkit Silly, which is a name I have oficcially compyrighted :D
 
pikers

pikers

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Tsunamii said:
Great Thread and great comments. This is why I never listen to the Sales people (no offense to any sales people here). I like to research on my own find the best dollar value and have a local store like Tweeter price match my item and buy from someone I know will stand by their product.

Tsunamii
You should let Tweeter chaarge what they charge, if you want to buy there so darn bad. :cool:
 
Tsunamii

Tsunamii

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pikers said:
You should let Tweeter chaarge what they charge, if you want to buy there so darn bad. :cool:

First: Its not that I want to buy there so bad. It is like I said, convenient.
Second: I don't own stock there I want the best price hands down.
:D
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Maybw this belongs in the "Rude Clerks" thread, but here's a recent Best Buy story.

A little over a year ago my wife prichased a AM/FM/CD walkman for a trip. We electrd to get a two year extened coverage plan for the pittance they charge (and knowing their construction and the anticipated abuse it will endure).

Well, you guessed it. It just ceased to function but she misplaced the paperwork for it (i.e.. receipt. Gotta love her though)

So, with another lonng journy coming up,we bought a cheapo CD only player and mentioned our plight to the nice salesgirl. She says that's no problem. Go to customer service and if we paid by credit card they can produce a copy of the receipt. Great salesgirl.

So, we amble on over to Customer service and this pimply faced kid comes out of the back room looking all kindsa disturbed. I never did get his name. He says they can't do it in the store and I have to call "1-800 BEST BUY" to do this and writes exactly that on a notepad and gives us the paper and walsk back into the back room. I said I think we can remember that number as he walked away.

So, I call that number. Didja ever call that number? It's phone maze hell. I spent over half an hour trying to get to where I needed to go and never did get there. I think it's purposly designed that way.

So, in frustration, I called the warranty agent (we DID have that piece of info) and explained the situation. The lady there was helpful and aid I needed a receipt. I said I justwentthroug hmaze hell there andshe giggled sweetly and agreed with me. She then told me the four numbers I needed to dial and, lo and behold, I was talking to a real person who helped me.

She also said the local store could have done this. I told her the story and she asked what store, when this happened and who did this. I was able to tell her the first two.

I then called the store and asked for the store manager and was given a couple of teenagers who tried to bury it.

Best Buy is fine if you know exactly what you want and they have it at the price you want to pay. Any interaction with the local inhabitants is at your own risk.
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
Bingo!!!...

markw said:
Best Buy is fine if you know exactly what you want and they have it at the price you want to pay. Any interaction with the local inhabitants is at your own risk.
...give dat man a big seegar...

Unfortunately, this seems to be the general rule for making a purchase of nearly anything, anywhere...

jimHJJ(...I think it's something in the water...)
 
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msmith855

Junior Audioholic
Words to live by! I always do my homework way before I step foot in a store for any major purchase.

markw said:
Best Buy is fine if you know exactly what you want and they have it at the price you want to pay. Any interaction with the local inhabitants is at your own risk.
 
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westcott

Audioholic General
Why am I treated like a criminal?

I am suprised no one but me seems to get offended when I try to leave BB or Fry's Electronics and they want to check the contents of my bag as I walk toward the exit from the cashier line.

I am not a thief nor do I appreciate being treated like one. I no longer do business at either one.

I would much rather be treated like cattle and coraled in an area after my purchase that prevents me from reentering the store easily and leads me directly to the exit. It works for the grocery store and other establishements.
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

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It's called loss prevention. Dont be offended by it.

Due to the creative ways people are stealing items these days it has become a necessary evil in some places. I dont like it as well. But im not going to stop shopping some place because they want to check my bag and protect themselves. Even Home Depot where I live does this and there a hardware store.
 
malvado78

malvado78

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Well maybe not where they just check you bags but my wife and I were shopping at Kaufmann's she went in the dressing room to try something on and in the dressign room there is a sign that informs everyone that they are being videotaped for loss prevention. I thought this was illegal or something. Taping women in a dressing room. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
Where their cameras aimed in the dressing stalls themselves ?

My bet is they are located in the aisle areas where people enter the stalls so security can see what people go in and out with. I would be seriously surprised if they where aimed in the stalls watching the women.

But who knows. Some companies are pretty damn stupid.
 
malvado78

malvado78

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I'm not sure I didn't look for the cameras (it was in the womens dressing room) and my wife only mentioned the sign not seeing the cameras. What you said would make more sense but I was think of the people who go into the dressing room and put clothes underneath theirs and wlak out. I thought this is what they would be looking for.
 
gellor

gellor

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malvado78 said:
I'm not sure I didn't look for the cameras (it was in the womens dressing room) and my wife only mentioned the sign not seeing the cameras. What you said would make more sense but I was think of the people who go into the dressing room and put clothes underneath theirs and wlak out. I thought this is what they would be looking for.
They could also be playing to people's gullibility. For instance when I was a teenager, I worked for a local grocery store who had signs up everywhere mentioning security cameras. What they had in actuality was several smokey plastic bubbles with red LEDs suspended in them.
 
pikers

pikers

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hopjohn said:
I should have posted this long ago. As a former employee, here is an insider's look at the top 5 things from the HT department of Best Buy (where I worked) that I guarantee they do not want their customers to know.

5. Barely legal bait and switch schemes. They push the limits of the laws with many of their flyer ads with some cheap product, like a 40 dollar DVD player to get you in the store, in hopes of encouraging you to buy something better, ie more expensive. That's the salesmen's job under any circumstance, so it doesn't change with these cheapo sales events either.

4. Open box items are usually returned items, not something that just happened to get opened in store, which rarely happens. I've seen many store employees try to avoid saying it was returned, in fear of losing the sale. Also most employees don't take the time to properly label the open box tags so you may think you are getting all accessories when you are not.

3. I've discussed this before, but here is more on this subject. As part of employee training, monster cables are drilled into employee's heads as a part of all applicable sales add ons from day one. In fact it is part of the "Total Solution" mechanism in place that all employess are to follow during their sales routine. Employees are told straight up that monster's products are superior, but never given any detailed reason why this is supposedly so. The employees I witnessed would typically memorize much of the fluff that was written on the package, on their own behalf, as a way to more quickly answer customer questions, preserve "expert" status, and eliminate possible reservations that the customer might have about spending more on something that was already provided in the box. In fact, this was often lied about. Employees don't like telling customers that zipcords come with their dvd player when asked. If they employees are forced into telling a customer, they will be quick to point how poor in quality they are in comparison to monster's products. One manager would actually say "The only thing (the customer) better be using zipcords cords for is to hold their trunk shut after they've just bought something". AR cables and recoton cables are seen as a failure of doing a proper sale at Best Buy and used only as a last ditch effort to get the customer to buy a little something extra. If an employee doesn't ask you "do you want cables, an antenna, blank discs, tapes, etc. with that?" when you are buying an applicable product, then they are simply not doing their job as instructed.

2. Employee know how. There was a recent Home Theater magazine article on the knowledge of Circuit City, Ultimate Electronics, and Best Buy employees. The rag was trying to determine how well each store knew their stuff. I knew what the results of this absolutely retarded article were going to be before I even began reading it, but as a former employee I read it anyway for curiousity's sake. The results, of course, depended on the individual knowledge of the employee that the writers happened to speak to.

Best Buys's policy is for each employee to know as much as they can about the products they sell in their primary area of responsibility. Yet, in order to do so they have to research the product almost entirely on their own time. During slow times throughout the day when you would think an employee could do a little studying, typically this is when the merchandising manager obegins running around being his/her most concerned about the store's cleanliness and the straighntess of the product on the shelves etc., so employees rarely get to know their products that well and also because of the constant product turnover. Also keep in mind when selling something such as a DVD player you can only know so much by looking at the box, the little tag, and the exterior of a product, never once getting a chance to operate its menus or analyse its performance on screen. For these reasons, the most knowledgable of employees are those who are interested in HT, music, etc. for their own personal hobbies and interests and know about these things from the time they spend reading learning, and using them outside of work. Best Buy would rather you think their "friendly experts" are well seasoned and well informed NOT some pimple faced kid, but usually that's exactly what they are. The technical training employees do get is nearly non-existant, and the little that is given is usually in the form of hurried-up computer modules so they can get you back to the sales floor. Also good training starts at the top, and when most employee's superiors know less about the produts than the salespeople do, it's a lost cause from the beginning.

1. PSP. This little acronym stands for Perfomance Service Plan, or better known to most as an extended warranty. It is the single biggest thing harped on by managers to their sales staff to be absolutely certain to sell. coincidentally, it is also one of the most lucrative things that Best Buy sales in terms of pure profit, (cables are up there also). The reason for this is because very rarely do customers take adavantage of the plan., and believe me they know this. If everything is done correctly an employees should try to sell you a PSP on any device which has one, and then the person at the register should also ask you,, though it is the sales persons job to sell it to you. The person at the register merely acts as a vocal reminder. Managers prefer employees to sell their products with PSPs at the register in the department so you can't walk and think alone, since this allows an opportunity for this pressure approach to fail.

The explanations of coverage by the PSP it is often errored, because the specific coverage varies from product to product. This causes a tremendous amount of confusion and often salespeople tell you that something is covered under the plan when in fact it is not. The employee probably doesn't do this consciously, but because the managaers are as confused about the specific coverage as anyone else their is no source for accurate information when making the sale, so employees might embellish when they aren't sure.

The status of a salesmen lives and dies by the ability to sale the PSP along with as many other related products as is possible.The more expensive the product, the more expensive the PSP, and consequently the more important it is for a salesmen to attach one to the sale. If a salesmen sales a big screen television without a PSP you can bet money that the manager is going to be wondering why, and you can bet the employee is going to be trying to avoid the manager for the next few hours. An employee would also be expected to sale cables, a dvd player, a surge supressor, and whatever else seemed logical as a result of answers to strategically asked questions during a big screen sale. This is the idea of the "Total Solution" I spoke of earlier. You didn't think they asked all these questions to be nice did you?, but that's how they try to play it off. Friendly experts with all the answers.

Most employees will probably tell you in private thet they hate selling PSPs because it is a contradiction to th view that the corporate office holds dear. The corporate ideolgy is that of a proper, friendly, non pressured sales approach. Unfortuately this happens only in theory compared with that which actually takes place. In practice, managers ride the asses of employees to sell the PSP. So much so that salespeople are basically forced into being very bullish in their approach to selling them, and that's when an employee is forced to be very "creative" in how they handle the situation, sort of be friendly, but persistant as hell approach.

Well I hope this post was informative, I wish all former employees would call out on their experiences. I think this only helps consumers understand the mendling that goes on behind the scenes.

Peace,
hopjohn

We love places like this; it serves us well as the minor leagues for shops like ours. At the very least, they know how to vaccuum... :rolleyes:
 
pikers

pikers

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hifiman said:
"I love this thread. I've spent many, many thousands of dollars at CC and BB over the years."

Whoops! Remind me to try and stop you from voting in '08!

"...And of course I think the internet has played a very large role as well. Anyone taking the time to browse the internet to investigate a purchase has empowered themselves as a consumer and has essentially made salespeople irrelevant to the purchase (though I admit I love to ask them questions just to see how ignorant they are of their own products, which is often very ignorant). The internet has forced other companies to adjust their pricing and customer service. Take Crutchfield for example. It wasn't all that long ago the Crutchfield charged a premium for the products they sell. Now I find them to have fairly competive pricing...."
The internet is irrelevant to a good store. BB and CC are your only options well, then for sure explore you online choices. Having said that, being a real authorized dealer and purchasing from them has its advantages, but the catch as always isn't the institution; it's the relationship with the place and a particular person that works there. Like the old saying about insurance companies - "It's not the company, it's the agent".

Find a local shop that you can trust, and don't beat them over the head with internet pricing. You know darn well they can't match it, and if they do it's to get you out of the store and the market for that item; they really probably don't want you back. :cool: Do not assume that the internet bothers real dealers.

They know like you that you didn't buy online because you didn't trust the proposition, then you presume to insult the dealer by asking them to match a place you don't/can't trust. :D
 
hifiman

hifiman

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Pikers,

Can you elaborate a bit? It's a little difficult to understand just what you are trying to say in your post.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Pikers, about the only reason I would have buy from a B&M store, is because the manufacturer insists on being bungwipes and not 'authorizing' online sales. I personally try to avoid ANY manufacturer that has this policy as it serves ME no good. Yes, I know I lose the in-store demo.... But, you get places like Axiom Audio who allow you to IN HOME demo. That holds some real value to me.

I have worked at a DC area high-end retailer and I know how clueless 90%+ of the staff was. Even guys who have been doing it for years... They are great sales guys, and worthless engineers. They don't even CARE about engineering, they just care about schmoozing with clients.

B&M stores have a purpose, but not for the DIY people and those who wish to actually be educated. They are for the people bringing in the $$$ who don't have time to set up a nice system, but have the cash to blow on a great setup.

As a Crestron programmer, you better believe that I ran across a LOT of those types of people on a regular basis. They don't bug me at all, I understand 100% where they are coming from.

But, those stores have no value to ME, a person who is willing to spend hours researching a DVD player and then some time searching for the best price.

Manufacturers not allowing online sales is a slap in the face to people like me. I do NOT want a relationship with a sales guy. I don't need to be SOLD a product, I just want to do research on my own and get the best product for the best price possible WITH a manufacturer warranty.

Denon, with a list on their site of authorized online dealers, is headed in the right direction in my opinion.
 
hifiman

hifiman

Audioholic
BMX,

Good post. I totally agree. Each passing day the bricks and mortar businesses are losing their relevance. On a side note, I never really understood the importance of going to a bricks and mortar store for a demo or information. The staff never seem to know anything but the most basic information (sometimes not even that). As for speaker demos - why bother? The speakers are going to sound different in my living room anyway.
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
BMX,

Your reasons, are one of the big reasons I am still in this business. I pride myself, and the store I manage, on proper information and knowledge. I have a no B.S. policy. You either tell the customer the truth, and answer their question, or find someone that does. Every customer that comes through the door, is an opportunity to educate and and make a friend. Setting the customer up proper the first time is what we are about. It is a shame that most B&M stores do not do things (what I feel is) the right way.

The worst part of it is though, some people are not even trying to go to shops like ours, because they have had too many bad experiences in the past. I feel bad for those people, and wish they would try to give it one last chance.
 
hifiman

hifiman

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annunaki said:
The worst part of it is though, some people are not even trying to go to shops like ours, because they have had too many bad experiences in the past. I feel bad for those people, and wish they would try to give it one last chance.
Years ago I used to go to a specialty shop in my area. I loved that place. They sold great products and had awesome customer service. Unfortunately they just couldn't compete with GoodGuys and CC. This was back when CC carried Carver products and GoodGuys carried Adcom. This shop switched product lines several times, but so did the big boys. Eventually this shop closed. Over the years we had one or two other open and close. Two places have managed to stay open for a very long time, but they both have the absolute worst sales staff. When I'm there I feel like I'm at a used car dealership. One of these places is just outright dishonest, but that's a long story in its own.

I recently decided to purchase a Rotel pre/pro. Of course one of the previously mentioned shops carried Rotel products. I tried to buy from them, but gave up when I realized things hadn't changed at that shop. Fortunately I found a Rotel dealer about 30 miles away. I never knew this place existed. This was a small shop, but I purchased my pre/pro from them with confidence. If it wasn't for them I would be strictly internet and even possibly purchasing (gasp!) gray market.
 
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