yettitheman

yettitheman

Audioholic General
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
I guess I'm lucky in that I don't really like acidic reds, like Cabernet or Chianti.

I like sweet wines, like White Zinfandel, Reisling, etc. And guess which wines are cheaper? :D

Lately I've really gotten into Sake. But even a pretty good bottle of Sake doesn't usually cost more than $20 or so. There's a local Sake brewery here in Berkeley, Takara, that makes a great little Nigori that Safeway sells for $5!!

No expensive wines or cables for me. Unless someone gives them to me for free.
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
I'm an oddball. I prefer Blue Nun to more expensive brands.

Mmm. Blue Nun. I think I'm out. I'll have to stop on the way home.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
No doubt, That is a great read. I guess that applies 110% to audiophiles....
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
As was once said on Laugh In, "verrry interesting..."

I guess what it partly comes down to is we assume 'more valuable = better' so when pressed with a choice between equals (or near equals) we subconsciously imagine that the more valuable (i.e. expensive) one is better.

I liked the observation they made;
Yet the rating system has bred an attitude toward wine that ignores context, which is perhaps more important a consideration to the enjoyment of wine than anything else. The proverbial little red wine, so delicious in a Tuscan village with your sweetie, never tastes the same back home in New Jersey. Meanwhile, the big California cabernet, which you enjoyed so much with your work buddies at a steakhouse, ties tucked between buttons, doesn’t have that triumphant lift with a bowl of spaghetti.
I think that context is something that is sometimes ignored by objectivists and subjectivists.
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Great article! Very interesting to see outside approaches to the "snob" mentality and just how quickly it can be discredited under fair, reasonable circumstances.

I have tasted wines of various categories, ages and origins (many in Italy). My wife and I are big fans of the 15 dollar bottles of Shiraz and Merlot that can be found at any local grocery store. No need to spend any more than that in our opinion. I actually prefer the taste over the more aged and expensive wines.

So I'm going to wrap myself in my blue jeans cables and down a bottle of cheap wine for this article. :D
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
I don't get wine but I'm a tequila snob. I've learned that you can get more if you spend more but there are some inexpensive tequilas that are pretty decent. A bottle of 1800 is about half the price of really premium brands and is almost as good. El Tesoro had a decent blanco and a really good reposado for much less than a premium brand.

Jim
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
I don't get wine but I'm a tequila snob. I've learned that you can get more if you spend more but there are some inexpensive tequilas that are pretty decent. A bottle of 1800 is about half the price of really premium brands and is almost as good. El Tesoro had a decent blanco and a really good reposado for much less than a premium brand.

Jim
My wife says I'm a Tequila snob too. I didn't really get into good alcohols until I started waiting tables at Maggiano's about 5 years ago. That's when I was introduced to Belvedere, Tanqueray 10, etc.

Now I won't touch a silver Tequila at all. I'll do a nice Reposado if I'm having a Margarita. I really like Herradura. The other day I had a shot of an EXTREMELY nice Jose Cuervo of all things. It was $15 a shot, and it smelled like Congac. NIIIIICE.
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
My favorite is Herradura anejo but it's kind of spendy. I probably buy it 3 or 4 times a year. My "regular" brand is El Tesoro reposado.

Jim
 
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Mort Corey

Senior Audioholic
I have tasted wines of various categories, ages and origins (many in Italy). My wife and I are big fans of the 15 dollar bottles of Shiraz and Merlot that can be found at any local grocery store. No need to spend any more than that in our opinion. I actually prefer the taste over the more aged and expensive wines.
Fifteen bucks for a single bottle?? Sheeze, you rich guys really like to brag. If I feel like puttin' on the ritz it's down to Trader Joe's for a case of Two Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw). By the time you're half way through the second bottle it's pretty good stuff. ;)

Mort
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
LOL :D Well, I never claimed to be rich that's for sure, and I've certainly been down that road once or twice... or many times. :D
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I have tasted wines of various categories, ages and origins (many in Italy). My wife and I are big fans of the 15 dollar bottles of Shiraz and Merlot that can be found at any local grocery store. No need to spend any more than that in our opinion. I actually prefer the taste over the more aged and expensive wines.
Ditto that. I'll take a $15 bottle of Chianti myself over virtually anything.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Fifteen bucks for a single bottle?? Sheeze, you rich guys really like to brag. If I feel like puttin' on the ritz it's down to Trader Joe's for a case of Two Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw). By the time you're half way through the second bottle it's pretty good stuff. ;)

Mort
I love Charles Shaw. It's dirt cheap so you can drown a roast with it and not care :D
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Fifteen bucks for a single bottle?? Sheeze, you rich guys really like to brag. If I feel like puttin' on the ritz it's down to Trader Joe's for a case of Two Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw). By the time you're half way through the second bottle it's pretty good stuff. ;)

Mort
In NYC it's actually Three or Four Buck Chuck (seen different prices at different stores) these days. It's almost starting to become less of a bargain :D!!

Personally, I look to generally spend in the $12-18 for a good California Red Zin or Petit Syrah.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Fifteen bucks for a single bottle?? Sheeze, you rich guys really like to brag. If I feel like puttin' on the ritz it's down to Trader Joe's for a case of Two Buck Chuck (Charles Shaw). By the time you're half way through the second bottle it's pretty good stuff. ;)

Mort

It has been a while since I had any 'Two Buck Chuck', but as I recall, the Sauvignon Blanc was the best offering they had, which compared with decent wines costing 4 or 5 times as much. And was better than many that cost 4 or 5 times as much. For the reds, I liked the Merlot best, which surprised me, because I am not a big fan of Merlot. It isn't very good, but it is drinkable, which is amazing for $2 (in California). I prefer drinking better wines, but the value, especially in California, of the Charles Shaw Sauvignon Blanc is amazing.

If you want to step up to a decent red that is commonly available, you might want to go with a Louis Jadot Beaujolais. You should be able to get it for $10 or less. Everything I have had from Louis Jadot is good, but the prices tend to go up faster than the quality. Their Beaujolais is a great value (though it may not seem that way to someone used to spending $2 for a bottle of wine).


With reference to the original article, some years ago Consumer Reports hired some professional wine tasters and had them do double blind tests with various sparkling wines. (Usually, the "blind" tastings professionals do are not truly blind, where they just cover up the label and pretend that one cannot tell by the bottle shape and color what it might be. So very often, the wine taster knows what it is before they ever take a sip.) In the Consumer Reports taste test, which was of Brut sparkling wines (only some of which were Champagnes), a Piper-Heidsieck beat out a vintage Dom Pérignon by the wine experts. The Piper-Heidsieck can sometimes be had for as little as $30 or occasionally even slightly less, though typically sells for a bit more, and the Dom Pérignon cost over $100. Both, however, were judged "excellent", and not significantly different in quality. I tried the Piper-Heidsieck based on that, and I must say, I think it is about as good as wine gets.

This reminds me of a documentary on wine I saw on PBS some years ago, in which it was said that the cost of wine was largely a matter of what the market would bear, and had little to do with the cost to make it. At that time (which was probably 10-20 years ago), they said that even a small vineyard did not have costs high enough to justify any wine costing more than $20 retail for a regular bottle. Anything higher than that was simply a matter of charging people what they are willing to pay, without any reference to any special expense in making it. Of course, with inflation for the past 10 or 20 years, now the cost is probably higher than just $20, but it still is no where near what some wines cost to buy. It might now justify a cost of $30 or even $40, but probably no more.

I have been less impressed with Consumer Reports more recent recommendations of wines; Yellow Tail reds tend to be syrupy sweet and therefore awful, in my opinion. But they have not tended to say how they have tested their wines more recently, and perhaps they have had just the regular staff taste the wines. Yellow Tail is, I am told, one of the most popular, if not the most popular, imported wines in the U.S. Apparently, syrupy sweet is considered to be good by many people. Of course, it is also quite cheap, so that helps with sales.

A good sweet wine that I have not had in many years was a Carl Graff Piesporter Goldtröpfchen Auslese. ("Carl Graff" is the winery, "Piesporter Goldtröpfchen" is the grape variety, and "Auslese" means that it was a late harvest of the grapes [later than "Spätlese", and earlier than "Eiswein"].) This is a white wine; I have never had a good sweet red wine. Its sweetness seemed to be derived from the fruit, whereas the syrupy sweetness of Yellow Tail tastes like they have added corn sweetener or some such thing to it. The difference in taste is significant.


Edited to add:

I just noticed that you said a case of Charles Shaw. So you are talking about spending $24 on wine. Some people prefer to get one really good bottle for that amount, instead of a lot of less than stellar wine. Of course, if you are talking about the Charles Shaw Sauvignon Blanc, it is hard to argue with your choice.
 
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Mort Corey

Senior Audioholic
I just noticed that you said a case of Charles Shaw. So you are talking about spending $24 on wine. Some people prefer to get one really good bottle for that amount, instead of a lot of less than stellar wine. Of course, if you are talking about the Charles Shaw Sauvignon Blanc, it is hard to argue with your choice.
Take a deep breath Pyrrho....it was a joke (hence the ;)) But if you're ever in my neck of the woods there is an area close by with fifty or more wineries that are starting to rival anything from the Napa/Sonoma area. I'll take you on a tasting tour :D

Mort
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Does Tequila even have a taste worthy of being a snob over?

I mean I understand whisky and scotch, and brandy. But Tequila? Guess I've never had it straight up, only in Tequila sunrises, back in the day.
Guess it's just what you're into. I LOVE Tequila, but never touch Brandy, Scotch or Whisky. About the only time I have whisky is if I want a cheap drink and go for the ol' Jack and Coke.
 

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