It doesnt matter how good your speakers are if you cant hear: Tinnitus

MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

Tinnitus is a hearing disorder that can be caused by multiple things. One of the causes is exposure to extremely loud music/sounds for extended periods of time. If you are listening to music and are feeling "fullness" in your ears like they are being plugged STOP listening to the music because you are damaging your ears. Other more emmediate symptoms are buzzing and popping sounds in your ears. Some tinnitus sufferers have to deal with constant buzzing/frequencies on a daily basis. One well known musician that suffers from sever Tinnitus is Pete Townsend of the Who. A qoute from Pete Townsend. "I have severe hearing damage. It's manifested itself as tinnitus, ringing in the ears at frequencies that I play guitar. It hurts, it's painful, and it's frustrating." Townshend is completely deaf in one ear from an explosion when Keith Moon blew up his drum set live on stage in the early 1960's and loud amps. He has tinnitus, resulting partly from the band's live gigs but mainly the deafening volume in which he and Entwistle used to listen to playbacks over the studio "cans." There are reports saying that he is unable even to hear his phone ring.

I know many people on this board have awesome gear and I want their ears to enjoy it for years to come....if you love listening to music at extremely high volumes it might be wise to get some hearing protection.
 
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Exit

Audioholic Chief
Hearing protection makes sense for sound environments out of your control such as factories, jackhammers and live rock concerts. For listening at home you should just turn your volume down. There are tables of noise levels which list dB ratings that correspond to noise levels. If you don’t know what too loud is, you can use these tables with an RS SPL meter to keep the volume down to a reasonable level.
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Now you know why I stopped going to concerts around 25 years ago. The last concert I went to left my ears ringing for 3 days, and that is when I said "enough!".
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
Now you know why I stopped going to concerts around 25 years ago. The last concert I went to left my ears ringing for 3 days, and that is when I said "enough!".
Did you just get temporary sound induced hearing loss from the concert or has that incident manifested into a chronic hearing problem?
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Did you just get temporary sound induced hearing loss from the concert or has that incident manifested into a chronic hearing problem?
It was temporary. Who knows how many more concerts it would have taken to make it permanent, though? :eek:(My guess is not many.)
I had to have my hearing checked for my present job. It tested far better than average for my age.
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
It was temporary. Who knows how many more concerts it would have taken to make it permanent, though? :eek:(My guess is not many.)
I had to have my hearing checked for my present job. It tested far better than average for my age.
Those 3 days must have been pure torture...glad to hear (no pun intended) that it was not permanent:)
 
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remsleep

Audiophyte
Now you know why I stopped going to concerts around 25 years ago. The last concert I went to left my ears ringing for 3 days, and that is when I said "enough!".
Here ya go, Joe. Etymotic ER-20 plugs. Designed to give about 20 db reduction w/ flat response. Might just be enough to let you enjoy another concert or two. Sorry, but I don't have enough posts to be able to post a link.

Its been about 18 years since I've enjoyed any silence. One ear started when I picked up one of my kids - maybe a year old - and it cut loose with a scream right into the ear canal. (How can a kid that small be that loud?) The other ear started after watching True Lies at a theater that had the sound cranked up waaay too loud - all those gunshots, you know. I'm not about to complain though. Its not all THAT loud, and my hearing is otherwise pretty good. It doesn't keep me from enjoying music - you sort of learn to listen around it - but I do have to keep the volume down or the whining gets much louder for a couple of hours. I'm right there with you about the concerts - I definitely don't want to do any more damage.
 
moggi1964

moggi1964

Audioholic
Queen at Knebworth 1986: three days of ear ringing followed.

Gotta admit it WAS worth it :D

I remember having a hearing test for oil rig work and there was a lower end frequency that was almost inaudible to me; wish I could remember what frequency as it might have saved me a few dollars on a subwoofer!

I have a good friend with Tinnitus and he played me a tape once that someone had made that tried to replicate what his Tinnitus sounded like to him. It was very unpleasant to say the least.
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Tinnitus is VERY unpleasant. The ringing just never goes away. And there is nothing anyone can do about it once you get it. And it is especially horrible for people like us who enjoy good music. The pleasure of listening to those favorite recordings of yours is just gone, forever. What a horrible way to live.

So enjoy your music at moderate volumes. And be especially careful when you listen through headphones, NEVER crank up the volume too loud.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
I suffer from tinnitus, you're right it's incurable. My damage was brought on by medication at first followed by years of loud music exacerbate it, coffee, alcohol, chocolate, aspirin and soft drinks can make the ringing more pronounced, what happens is over time you get used to it, like a wall air conditioner, you don't realize it's there till someone brings up the subject, like this thread!;) Jeff Beck also suffers from tinnitus to the extent that he only plays with plugs and his monitors are set way low.
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
I've been thinking of getting some ear plugs to use in our server room (bloody noisy with all those servers) and for when I mow the lawn and those look like really cool ear plugs. :) I think I'll order some - they're inexpensive too.

As for the subject of the thread, well, as strange as it may seem I saw a guy at a HiFi show once demoing a lot of high end speakers and he was using 2 hearing aids... Yes, I mean, whatever speaker he's listening too isn't he really just listening to the speakers in his hearing aids anyway? :confused:

I'm lucky that I've escaped damage as I partied as a teenager and been to my fair share of concerts although I never found it fun to be down front and up close to the main speakers.

Here ya go, Joe. Etymotic ER-20 plugs. Designed to give about 20 db reduction w/ flat response. Might just be enough to let you enjoy another concert or two. Sorry, but I don't have enough posts to be able to post a link.

Its been about 18 years since I've enjoyed any silence. One ear started when I picked up one of my kids - maybe a year old - and it cut loose with a scream right into the ear canal. (How can a kid that small be that loud?) The other ear started after watching True Lies at a theater that had the sound cranked up waaay too loud - all those gunshots, you know. I'm not about to complain though. Its not all THAT loud, and my hearing is otherwise pretty good. It doesn't keep me from enjoying music - you sort of learn to listen around it - but I do have to keep the volume down or the whining gets much louder for a couple of hours. I'm right there with you about the concerts - I definitely don't want to do any more damage.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
Hearing protection makes sense for sound environments out of your control such as factories, jackhammers and live rock concerts...
Yeah, I seem to have that effect on people sometimes...:D



Seriously though, I wear ear plugz when I'm in loud environments to protect what little hearing I have left. Years of thinking I was cool standing next to the stacks at rock concerts paid off with a constant ringing in my ears that while not loud can be irritating at times. I carry a pair of soft plugs in a pocket with me at most times for whenever I may need them.

Jack
 
zhimbo

zhimbo

Audioholic General
Here ya go, Joe. Etymotic ER-20 plugs. Designed to give about 20 db reduction w/ flat response. Might just be enough to let you enjoy another concert or two. Sorry, but I don't have enough posts to be able to post a link.
I generally avoid Big Loud Concerts now, but when The Police went on tour I picked up some of those Etymotic plugs. Worked like a charm. They aren't truly "flat" in their response, but are far, far more so than ordinary plugs.

Enjoyed the show, no ringing afterwards. And you still feel the bass, so you get that aspect still.

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
I have a mild case of tinnitis probably from my days of standing next to jets in afterburner on a carrier flight deck. Even with hearing protection, it was an overwhelming experience. I seem able to block it out when listening to music, and several hearing tests have shown better-than-average hearing, but probably not in the highest frequencies.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
coffee, alcohol, chocolate, aspirin and soft drinks can make the ringing more pronounced
This is interesting. This I would like to have explained. Where is TLS when you need him? I do large doses of coffee and chocolate. That might be why I don't always notice the ringing. Now if the voices would go away .... ;)

At work I use ear muff style head protection. I get the $50 kind from HD that has a radio built in. The max volume on the radio is 72 db and the noise reduction is around 20 db. If things get really loud I'll use the ear muffs in conjunction with disposable in ear protection. Then I can barely hear the radio.
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
Stress and tobacco are another few things that contribute to tinnitus as well. Smoking narrows the blood vessels which supply oxygen to your ears and their sensory cells which could then increase your tinnitus. Stress just has an effect on everything in your body
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
This is hilarious!

I certainly hope that guy has some serious audiophile grade hearing aids!:D


Now that I think about it, what are the frequency responses of most hearing aids nowadays? Are they mostly tuned to the range of human voice? And in order to reproduce the full spectrum of sound, doesn't that also mean that the mic has to be super sensitive as well?


As for the subject of the thread, well, as strange as it may seem I saw a guy at a HiFi show once demoing a lot of high end speakers and he was using 2 hearing aids... Yes, I mean, whatever speaker he's listening too isn't he really just listening to the speakers in his hearing aids anyway? :confused:
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Some of those hearing aids cost more than some top of the line speakers!:eek:
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Along the lines of something like the Etymotic ER-20, you can try "musician's" earplugs. I think about $60 to $100. They are custom molded to your ears. Then they will have these very, very tiny modular pieces that can be swapped out to choose the db level of protection. The cost is not necessarily proportional to the quality. The biggest factor is how well the person can mold them. They are not perfectly "flat", but much better than typical ones.

A musician that I did a lot of work with had two different sets. The better pair he found by hazard at the NAMM show. I don't remember her name, but she worked out of Beverly Hills, CA. Hers were cheaper than his previous pair, yet worked better.

His brother, also a musician, was a professional stuntman for a while. He was not allowed to wear earplugs for his own "safety", believe it or not. You can imagine how bad his tinnutis can get. He even wears his plugs when he drives, which is illegal. He says his favorite use he's found is for long airplane trips. Put the plugs in, turn up the noise-cancelling headphones even more to compensate, and he can't hear the very loud airplane noise that we are all familiar with. Just music. Yeah, I find that I am probably most annoyed when I forget earplugs for an airplane trip.

Lastly, my new stereo room has a pretty bad slap echo. I haven't listened to it in a while, and just received my acoustic treatments today acquired from the 'gon. If this investment does not pan out, I'm afraid I'll sell my speakers. Last listening session gave me at least a half-day of ringing ears. Audiophilia is cool and all, but without healthy ears its tougher to appreciate live music I would think. I love dynamics, and those include the softer nuances of expression. Keeping fingers crossed.
 
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remsleep

Audiophyte
...coffee... can make the ringing more pronounced
NOOOOO!! You mean I can either put up with the tinnitus or go through life in a stupor? Screw it, I'm going for the coffee. They don't ring all that loud anyhow.
 
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