Treason

[rnatalli]

In regards to the cheaper solution, to war in Iraq:

When 9/11 happened, and it was determined who the perpetrators were.
I have to admit, I was in favor of mass deportation.
It's cheaper, we would be safe, and it would send a message
to the countries that harbor terrorists. To clean up their acts;
or they will no longer reap the benefits of living here.
I'll bet the "Hand Wringers" won't like that solution either.
IMHO

Just like annihilation, this is an extreme solution that would probably work.

 

[rnatalli]

Mass deportation is a great idea.

The problem is figuring out which ones are the terrorists we're supposed to be deporting.

I think he meant anyone who has a bloodline to a country with extremists.

 

[mudrummer99]

I think what most people miss with this is that we are quoting people who will damn near anything to save their job and get re-elected. Seriously, we are listening to people that, for a living, tell us what they think we want to hear. They have dozens of people on their staff that do polls asking people what they think about this statement or that statement, the verbage or how this candidates hair looks. This is ridiculous, can we take the people seriously when they spend more on getting a job than they will ever make in it? If these people were really looking out for the common man's interest, there wouldn't be requirements for debates, it would be straight questions that only can be answered just as concisely without double speak or word arounds that don't really answer the original question at all, but are designed to get a response from the crowd with buzz words. Conservatives, liberals, reps, dems, independents, it doesn't matter. They try to ally themselves with the most people that they think will get them into office and once there, follow their own agenda. This is an in general statement of course, there are a few that actually do do what they said they were going to accomplish. But these are too far and few to make a true change until more straight shooting people that actually give a damn about the middle class America appear.

 

[jonnythan]

I think he meant anyone who has a bloodline to a country with extremists.

So we deport everyone in the country?

Except the Native Americans, of course.

 

[Rickster71]

Mass deportation is a great idea.

The problem is figuring out which ones are the terrorists we're supposed to be deporting.

My plan didn't have any monies in the budget for any 'Figuring"

 

[rnatalli]

So we deport everyone in the country?

Except the Native Americans, of course.

You saw where I was going with this

 

[Rickster71]

You saw where I was going with this

We all know what happened to the Native Americans
when they didn't manage their immigration problem!

 

[mudrummer99]

We all know what happened to the Native Americans
when they didn't manage their immigration problem!

I actually laughed out loud at that. That's awesome!

 

[rnatalli]

We all know what happened to the Native Americans
when they didn't manage their immigration problem!

Good point, LOL...

The solution is really simply, but would be painful to do. But with a trillion dollars already spent, I'm not so sure. Get out of the Middle East. I used to work with Prof. at Harvard who said all we need is two areas about 100 miles squared full of solar panels in the Mojave Desert and that would power the entire US. Lots of oil companies would lay workers off, but they would find new jobs. Hanging onto oil today when so many doable alternatives is the same as siding with horse/chariots and candles back 100 years ago.

 

[Rickster71]

Just like annihilation, this is an extreme solution that would probably work.

Sending people back to their home people.
To police their own; is light years from annihilation.
(Do I detect hand wringing?)

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I wonder if most of you guys posting your thoughts about this have even been to Iraq and let alone been in the military. I was in the Army for 5 years from 2001 to 2006. Spent over 2 years in Iraq in two different deployments. First one was right at the start of the war and second one was OIF III. I was part of the 16th Signal Battalion which was the main communications battalion for 3rd Corps in Ft. Hood.

On the first deployment we were so underfunded and unprepared that we got sent up north past Tikrit without any protection. Our trucks were not armored and all they did was bolt a metal plate to the vinyl doors on our humvees. That is what they considered armored. During my first deployment I was there for 14 months and spent time in Tikrit, Mosul, Fallujah, Al-Asad, and other small places setting up communications.

On my second deployment I spent 12 months mostly by the Syrian border, Baghdad, and south of Baghdad at an Air Base. While the conditions where a lot better on my second deployment food and living wise, everything else was the same. We still got bombed everyday, lost a lot of troops on patrol, and still managed to have a lot of aircraft shut down. In 3 years between my first deployment nothing had changed.

Now I got out of the military 3 months after I returned from my second deployment on April, 2006 but I still had a lot of friends whose contract wasn't up. All of them went back 8 months after I got out and were there for over a year yet again. They came back on Dec of 2007 and I have kept in contact with some of them and they tell me that it was still the same as our first two deployments. We still lost as many troops and got bombed the same no matter where they were at. Just because the news doesn't report it as much anymore doesn't mean troops aren't still dying.

So if you ask me I consider Iraq a total and complete failure. From what I have experienced we haven't accomplished much of what we set out to do when we first invaded. Sure the living conditions are a lot better as is expected with the amount of money we are spending in the country, but nothing else has changed.

Your are certainly entitled to your assessment, but I have talked to others who are or were in Iraq and Afghanistan and they don't share you view. Perhaps Matt might want to respond to this post.

At any rate thank you for your service

 

[jonnythan]

Perhaps Matt might want to respond to this post.

Perhaps you'd like to ring this soldier up on treason charges for speaking out against the war and saying things that may demoralize our troops.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Perhaps you'd like to ring this soldier up on treason charges for speaking out against the war and saying things that may demoralize our troops.

What he said and what Harry Reid, Pelosi and Murtha said are two entirely different things. Saying that we lost the war while we have troops fighting and dying is TREASON no matter how much you want to ignore it.

 

[jonnythan]

What he said and what Harry Reid, Pelosi and Murtha said are two entirely different things. Saying that we lost the war while we have troops fighting and dying is TREASON no matter how much you want to ignore it.

gus6464:
"I consider Iraq a total and complete failure. From what I have experienced we haven't accomplished much of what we set out to do when we first invaded."

Pelosi:
"There haven't been gains, Wolf. The gains have not produced the desired effect, which is the reconciliation of Iraq. This is a failure. This is a failure."

 

[Rickster71]

Perhaps you'd like to ring this soldier up on treason charges for speaking out against the war and saying things that may demoralize our troops.

He walked the walk.
He can talk the talk.

 

[rnatalli]

What he said and what Harry Reid, Pelosi and Murtha said are two entirely different things. Saying that we lost the war while we have troops fighting and dying is TREASON no matter how much you want to ignore it.

Based on friends and family of mine, I'd say there are quite a few troops that feel and voice their opinion as Gus does. Should we consider them traitors while they're on the ground doing the actual fighting?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

gus6464:
"I consider Iraq a total and complete failure. From what I have experienced we haven't accomplished much of what we set out to do when we first invaded."

Pelosi:
"There haven't been gains, Wolf. The gains have not produced the desired effect, which is the reconciliation of Iraq. This is a failure. This is a failure."

You also seem to be ignoring the fact that Gus is not in a position of power, and I am not the only one who suggested that pelosi, reid and murtha may in fact be considered traitors. Several prominent figures have stated such. Reid especially should watch what he says.

Lets face it, Gus is not influencing anybody or demoralizing them. The same can not be said of the others.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Based on friends and family of mine, I'd say there are quite a few troops that feel and voice their opinion as Gus does. Should we consider them traitors while they're on the ground doing the actual fighting?

That would not be for me to decide. That would be up to the military.

 

[Rickster71]

all we need is two areas about 100 miles squared full of solar panels in the Mojave Desert and that would power the entire US.

I worked, fifteen years for the company that invented the Photovoltaic.
They aren't the great panacea that some think they are.

 

[rnatalli]

I worked, fifteen years for the company that invented the Photovoltaic.
They aren't the great panacea that some think they are.

Regardless, the technology to get off oil certainly exists. Take a look at Switzerland. Last I saw they were 60% hydro, 30% solar, and 10% nuclear out of France. Granted, Switzerland only has 8-10 million people, but like Sun Tzu said, managing a large group is no different than managing a small one; it's simply a matter of organization.