Treason

[jeffsg4mac]

It's the only reasonable explanation I have seen. I am not sure what else we are there for.

This is what we are there for http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

 

[jinjuku]

And that has what to do with Iraq?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

And that has what to do with Iraq?

I think maybe you should look the site over for awhile and then ask that question again?

 

[jinjuku]

I think maybe you should look the site over for awhile and then ask that question again?

You are the one postulating that Iraq = extreme islamist and the 9/11 attack. You need to prove it. It's already been proven the Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

You are the one postulating that Iraq = extreme islamist and the 9/11 attack. You need to prove it. It's already been proven the Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Like I said, take some time, read over the stuff there with an open mind. I said nothing about Iraq and 9/11. Then see if you still need to ask that question. I ask only that you look over the site really good and nothing more. There is a ton of stuff there to read.

 

[Halon451]

You are the one postulating that Iraq = extreme islamist and the 9/11 attack. You need to prove it. It's already been proven the Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

We're not simply fighting a revenge war for 9/11 - we are fighting a war on ALL terror, and to prevent another 9/11 from taking place on American soil. Are you going to argue that terrorists have not taken hold in Iraq? If so, then you really need to touch base with reality.

 

[jonnythan]

We're not simply fighting a revenge war for 9/11 - we are fighting a war on ALL terror, and to prevent another 9/11 from taking place on American soil. Are you going to argue that terrorists have not taken hold in Iraq? If so, then you really need to touch base with reality.

The Iraqi government, to my knowledge, was not harboring or funding organized anti-US terrorists. That was never a reason, or the reason, for overthrowing Hussein.

There are certainly anti-US terrorists there now of course.

 

[jinjuku]

We're not simply fighting a revenge war for 9/11 - we are fighting a war on ALL terror, and to prevent another 9/11 from taking place on American soil. Are you going to argue that terrorists have not taken hold in Iraq? If so, then you really need to touch base with reality.

I understand. I think there is distinct possibility that there isn't a country on the face of this earth that doesn't have a cell of terrorists hell bent on destruction of the 'Great Satan'.

My point being: with the 100's of billions being spent in Iraq, is that the best way to combat terrorism?

There are more terrorists there now than before we invaded. I want Iraq to be a free society, no second class citizens and no women that are treated like chattle. I just don't see it happening no matter what we do over there.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

The Iraqi government, to my knowledge, was not harboring or funding organized anti-US terrorists. That was never a reason, or the reason, for overthrowing Hussein.

There are certainly anti-US terrorists there now of course.

Have you ever read the book "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis? You might want to rethink your position after reading it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I understand. I think there is distinct possibility that there isn't a country on the face of this earth that doesn't have a cell of terrorists hell bent on destruction of the 'Great Satan'.

My point being: with the 100's of billions being spent in Iraq, is that the best way to combat terrorism?

There are more terrorists there now than before we invaded. I want Iraq to be a free society, no second class citizens and no women that are treated like chattle. I just don't see it happening no matter what we do over there.

Well that is even a more pessimistic view than what I have. While I generally think there is not much hope for them as a whole, I do think we can at the very least keep them in check and make impossible for them to ever pull off a 9/11 attack again.

 

[jonnythan]

Have you ever read the book "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis? You might want to rethink your position after reading it.

I read a couple of synopses. Fascinating theory, quite possibly true.... but I don't see where the Iraqi government had anything whatsoever to do with it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I read a couple of synopses. Fascinating theory, quite possibly true.... but I don't see where the Iraqi government had anything whatsoever to do with it.

Davis theorizes that Saddam Hussein, humiliated by his defeat in the '91 Gulf War, dispatched several members of his beloved Republican Guard to the U.S., where the infiltrators learned how to construct massive bombs at a terrorist training camp near Chicago. The author alleges several of these Iraqis moved to OKC, where they were employed by a sympathetic developer with Palestinian terrorist connections.

Her investigation and documentation on all of this is impeccable too.

 

[Matt34]

My point being: with the 100's of billions being spent in Iraq, is that the best way to combat terrorism?

That's the billion dollar question.

 

[jonnythan]

Davis theorizes that Saddam Hussein, humiliated by his defeat in the '91 Gulf War, dispatched several members of his beloved Republican Guard to the U.S., where the infiltrators learned how to construct massive bombs at a terrorist training camp near Chicago. The author alleges several of these Iraqis moved to OKC, where they were employed by a sympathetic developer with Palestinian terrorist connections.

Her investigation and documentation on all of this is impeccable too.

From what I gather, there's basically no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that Hussein dispatched these people, and that this part is basically a guess.

If there's real evidence of this claim, though, I'd love to see it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

From what I gather, there's basically no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that Hussein dispatched these people, and that this part is basically a guess.

If there's real evidence of this claim, though, I'd love to see it.

Why would that be so hard to believe rock solid proof or not? Some people even believe W planned the 9/11 attacks himself just to start a war and they have no evidence at all. This lady spent 9 years investigating this stuff and had to quit her job because she was told to stop.

 

[jonnythan]

A lot of things that are easy to believe aren't true.

The fact that it's not hard to believe doesn't add any veracity to the claim.

I tend not to accept "facts" unless there is some good reason to.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

A lot of things that are easy to believe aren't true.

The fact that it's not hard to believe doesn't add any veracity to the claim.

I tend not to accept "facts" unless there is some good reason to.

Well her book is pretty well loaded with facts. You owe it to yourself to read it before passing judgement. I had it, but brother in law stole if from me or I would send it to you.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

That's the billion dollar question.

I personally think there is a cheaper solution but I won't mention it here. I am sure Matt knows what I am talking about though

 

[Halon451]

A lot of things that are easy to believe aren't true.

The fact that it's not hard to believe doesn't add any veracity to the claim.

I tend not to accept "facts" unless there is some good reason to.

Then explain to me why it's so easy to rally behind other supposed facts that are in opposition to our involvement in the war, 9/11, Iraq, terrorists, etc. This is the most divisive issue America faces today - and there are a lot of people issuing statements from both sides of the fence; I for one, tend to believe those things that are in fact grounded in reality, and not conspiracy. I then look for evidence to back my point of view, and what do you know - I find them. To boot - I do have a very open mind and will gladly listen to anyone else's point of view, but I will challenge their notions when I feel that it's just another version of Hollywood politics taking hold of the overall mentality of America; the kind of politics that will ruin our country from the inside out and leave us open and vulnerable to god knows what in the future (probably within all of our lifetimes at the present rate).

Make no mistake about it - our involvement in Iraq is solidified. We simply cannot pack up and leave at this point, and we cannot under any circumstances allow our soldiers to believe they are dying for a lost cause. We committed ourselves to it, so it is our duty and honor as a nation to rally behind our troops and the decisions that have been made, and see it through to the end. Period.

 

[rnatalli]

Don't even start with the oil thing. That has already been proven wrong so many times it is pointless.

Nah, the politicians just don't know how to do math