Really to me, if it's not measurable within audio frequencies, or an octave thereof (for those that claim to have ears of god or some spiel), it's irrelevant and not worth the cash.
I just don't get the "mysticism" you see about how one cable is designed with "insert some weird theorem here" or other "exotic sounding" methods. This is a world founded on science, and everything that happens here has a logical and predictable explanation (although we may not have stumbled across the answer yet)....but if we have stumbled upon something different, we have to be able to prove it's that way...I never see this in the cable market. It's all word of mouth.....yes most of these exotic cable people have amazing systems, but I highly doubt it's the cables (one day if I ever get the gall, I'd love to replace all the cables in a system like that with some phoenix gold car interconnects or some of my hand-rolled cables ($4 for connectors, and 19c/ft for a stereo pair...how's that for reasonable?) and see if they notice the difference).
Steve,this thread was never about cables or exotic audio,audiophiles,golden ears,mysticism,faith,botique,or any other catch word,this thread was about being a decent person & acting like a member of an online community,not a hunter & yes there are hunters,i'll explain.
Hunters look for CATCH WORDS from posters that they can innocently respond to with a "loaded question" which is the BAIT QUESTION,the questions posed have pourposefull intent,the intent of the bait question is to lead the member into saying something else that the hunter can respond to with another loaded question,if the member answers any BAIT question the hunters response will ALWAYS end with another BAIT question,this is called leading the poster or STEERING the thread.
Here is an example thread with examples of hunting,baiting & thread steering.
Thread title.
Need help deciding on a Krell amplifier.
The word (Krell) in the title will catch the hunters/trolls attention because it's a well known audiophile brand.
The thread starts with a question something like this.
Hi,does anybody here use the new Krell XYZ amplifier in their system & if so what are your thoughts & how does it compare to other amps you've owned.
A member responds to the exact questions posed by the OP who is only asking for information from owners of the Krell XYZ model.
Hi,i own the Krell XYZ & i love it,im running it with a Mark Levinson #16 preamp,Shanling CDT-200 cd player & B&W 802 D speakers,it's a fantastic combonation.
Before i bought the Krell i was running a Mcintosh Mc402 amplifier,i found that in my system the Krell delievered much better bass response over the Mcintosh,the Mac was good but in my system the Krell outperformed the Mac,hope this helps.
Pretty straight foward explaination from the respondant but the trolls now have windows & they will take advantage of them asap,the windows(catch words) in the members response being THE KRELL HAD MUCH BETTER BASS AND THE KRELL OUTPERFORMED THE MCINTOSH.
The troll/hunter will now join the thread by quoting the catch words,one statement at a time.
The krell had much better bass.The hunters loaded question (bait question) will be something along these lines.
How did the Krell outperform the Mcintosh.
Now the member responds to the Bait questionsomething like this.
When i swapped out the Mcintosh for the Krell i noticed an improvement in bass response with the Krell.
Now the troll/hunter will respond to this with another bait question, designed to lure the member into saying something that will allow the troll to come back with another question,this is called THREAD STEERING,something like this.
And how did you judge that the Krell had an improvement in bass response over the Mcintosh.
Another seemingly innocent question right ???,not so,it was another bait question & if the member answers the trolls question the troll will have control of the thread, but the member is not aware of bait trolling methods so he falls for the trolls bait & responds honestly.
When i was running the Mcintosh i always felt as if there was something missing from the low end response,the bass was strong & clear but it was lacking depth,once i tried the Krell the music seemed more dynamic & the bass no longer lacked the depth that i did not have with the Mcintosh
Now the troll is allmost where he wanted to be at the start of the thread,a little more baiting & he's there,a complete thread hijack,the troll's response to the members answer will assuredly be another bait question,sometthing like this.
Did you just use your golden ear's to tell the Krell had better bass over the Mcintosh or did you use an all levels matched dbt.
This is perfect for the troll/hunter,the troll knows full well that the member did not do a dbt or he would have said so in the first place,if the member answers back to the last bait question the troll will have more leading questions,if not the trolls use of the phrases GOLDEN EAR'S & DBT has now opened the door for THE WOLF PACK to join in & start the banter.
Keep in mind that at no time has the troll/hunter ever mentioned having any hands on experience with the Krell amp in question.
The banter will now start with a WOLF PACK member responding to the trolls use of the phrases GOLDEN EARS & DBT.
YUP,thats the way it is with the golden ears,they buy audio jewerly & want it to sound better,instead of being subjective & doing a DBT with the amps they hear what they want to hear, because they spent alot of money,its called THE PLACEBO EFFECT.
Now wolf pack member #2 joins in the fun.
Why is it that no golden eared audiophile will take a DBT the Audio Critic publishes a challenge issued by James Randy offering one million dollars to any audiophile who can pick a component 9 times out of 10.
Now the OP is gettin bummed out & asks,Can we talk about the Krell guy's,does anybody posting here have any experience with the Krell,if not please stop posting.
This request from the OP will either be completely ignored by the wolf pack while they continue their banter or will be responded to by the troll ,something like this.
MY experience with the Krell is "IRRELEVANT",this member made a claim of hearing a difference & were trying to establish if he used a biased controled dbt protocol in his listening tests.
Now the banter is free to continue from the wolf pack & is joined by more members of the pack, all who have nothing to offer about the amp in question,only rehetoric.
Wolf pack member #3 joins in & posts a response,the response is of no use to the OP & is directed at wolf pack member #2's comments.
Speaking of The Audio Critic,i was reading where he did extensive testing on bi-amped speakers with gold plated audiophile speaker wires & no golden ear could hear a difference.
Now the troll inserts himself into the thread again to expand on the non issues broght up by the wolf pack.
Of course none of the guys with ears of gold could hear a difference because the testing methods were properly controled,did you really think anybody could hear a difference.
Notice how the troll always leaves off his post with another question,this way he can get more responses & keep the thread going.
Now wolf pack member #4 joins in the fun with the most useless post of all to the OP.
I dont care how much money i had or how rich i was,i'd never spend that kinda cash on any amplifier,my Behringer A500 is just as good as either the Krell or the Mcintosh
Here comes the troll again.
Your right,anybody who spends that aount of money is just getting adio jewerly which is ok if thats why they want it,theres notthing wrong with owning audio jewerly they just cant go around thinking its better,because they cant prove it.
Now more banter from the wolf pack back & forth between them selves,posting various links to dbt's,abx's,The Audio Critic,pics of non relevant high end gear with a big price tag,funny pics of bunny rabbits with pancakes on their heads,pictures of their cars ect,anything but posting something of relevance to what the OP asked in the 1st place.
Notice how my example thread has been hijacked to the point to where it has nothing to do with what the OP asked in the 1st place, with 90% of the responses being from members with nothing to offer, except to expound on their personal beliefs about audio,or to make fun of others.
This type of hunting/trolling/hijacking is rampant,all one has to do to see this is go to the amp forum & look for threads with high end names in the title or threads with a high post count,most of the time a high post count & a high end name in the title go hand in hand.An even easier way to see recent thread take overs in action,look at the Shanling thread in the Amp forum.
Once again my point has nothing to do with anything except the inability of trolls/hijackers & wolf pack followers to let other members enjoy their self.
