velodyne SPL 1200 vs DLS 5000R

[tomd51]

Well tom, if you find that the opinions of

1) the owner of audioholics, and that of
2) the owner of avsforum

are not trustworthy, then honestly I don't understand why you are on these forums.

Furry, I think your missing the point of my posts. At no point did I say Clint wasn't trustworthy nor the owner of the AVS forum, I simply stated that if I nor anyone I know personally haven't had any reason to disbelieve a particular party , be it a forum owner, product manufacturer or regular Joe off the street, I would try to refrain from completely disregarding their product or service.

Not sure how that translates in to not trusting anyone and as such, not frequenting their forums, but if that's what you got from my input, you're a bit mistaken... -TD

 

[tomd51]

My experience was the *** wooping the the Elemental Designs A5-350 put on a Velodyne DLS-4000. Both are the same price.

I haven't heard the eD A5-350, but having built a sub for a friend using the 13OV.2, I wouldn't be terribly surprised at it performing well. In fact, I was surprised at how well it did with the Rythmik Basic amp I paired it with in a 25Hz tuning.

The DLS subs are definitely decent performers and are relatively attractive, but for sheer performance, other subs can do just as well if not better for a lower price. The difficulty I see for the OP is that he's got to not only find a solid performer, he's also got to consider the WAF, which for subs is pretty tough to do... -TD

 

[Sheep]

To the original poster, I warned you about these SVS and av123 "recommendations," here they come...


And just to put matters into a better perspective, I suggest you have a look at this post, quite illuminating.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29188&highlight=svs+banned


And as to the sub choices, I would stick with the Velodyne SPL 1200R, you have chosen a very capable subwoofer from a top notch subwoofer company.

Yeah, I've never seen Peter Marks form Hsu posting in threads pimping his products. He does it more then SVS.

Everyone, Furrycute is just raw that the ID brands sell better then B&M brands. Don't enable him, he just wants to ***** about it.

And this poster seems to be set with what he wants. He posted a thread asking for advice when he didn't want any.

I say both of you need to go.

SheepStar

 

[gus6464]

For AV123 dig up the old Rocket thread on AVS. It was found that there were av123 employees posting as customers praising the speakers. Then **** hit the fan.

 

[gus6464]

Everyone, Furrycute is just raw that the ID brands sell better then B&M brands. Don't enable him, he just wants to ***** about it.
SheepStar

Highly doubt ID brands sell better than the well known B&M brands. They still have a long way before that ever happens.

 

[Sheep]

Highly doubt ID brands sell better than the well known B&M brands. They still have a long way before that ever happens.

Sorry, on these boards, ID sells better.

SheepStar

 

[tomd51]

For AV123 dig up the old Rocket thread on AVS. It was found that there were av123 employees posting as customers praising the speakers. Then **** hit the fan.

I wouldn't put it passed a lot of companies. Doesn't make it right, but I wouldn't be too surprised by this kind of behavior. It could also be something that the employees take part in but the manufacturer's management may not condone at all as well. Not the most ethical behavior, but I can see how it can happen...

My stance is to essentially take all the advice I can, but with the understanding that while most if it can be truthful, it may also be slanted for one reason or another and hopefully with enough input, self-research and common sense (that's an important one ), you can make some decent decisions and offer some sound advice... -TD

 

[gus6464]

Sorry, on these boards, ID sells better.

SheepStar

Which is what % of total sales? I do give ID sub brands credit because they design their stuff from top to bottom so can talk all the smack they want. (SVS, HSU, eD)

But in all seriousness Sheep you always get bent out of shape when someone dislikes SVS. Everyone has their right to not like something, it's not like furrycute said that SVS is pure trash compared to velodyne.

 

[tomd51]

I think what Sheep's saying (lord knows nobody has to speak for him, but here goes.. ) is that for the most part, most of the B&M subs (not all, mind you) are pretty inferior to comparably priced ID subs.

Sure you can go to Consumer Reports to find out what their suggestions are for audio equipment, but wouldn't you rather go to a source that might be a wealthier in the knowledge dept. with what you're looking for? Just because something sells better doesn't necessarily mean it's a better product. Hell, McDonalds is the most profitable restaurant year after year, does that make them a better place to eat? -TD

 

[Sheep]

Which is what % of total sales? I do give ID sub brands credit because they design their stuff from top to bottom so can talk all the smack they want. (SVS, HSU, eD)

But in all seriousness Sheep you always get bent out of shape when someone dislikes SVS. Everyone has their right to not like something, it's not like furrycute said that SVS is pure trash compared to velodyne.

Can you quote me getting bent every time someone bashes SVS? I doubt it, because I don't post that many times a day.

I dislike it when people say stupid things such as this..

And just in case anyone jumps in with an SVS or av123 "recommendation," since every subwoofer post nowadays is flooded with SVS or av123 are the best threads, I would say go with the Velodyne SPL 1200, it has superior dynamics and transient response.

People recommend what they want. Hell, most people recommend what they have. It isn't right, but they do it. I don't care, but statements like this piss me off because it's just false. Lots of people like/have SVS subs. Are they not allowed to recommend them? I like how they measure. I have never heard one, but I state that every time I recommend one.

But in all seriousness Gus you seem to get bent out of shape anytime I post.

SheepStar

 

[bandphan]

I think anyone with a hair of brain understands whats going on, opinions are....... but if research is done to validate them from an outside stance, anyone should be able to make their minds up without much fail.

 

[furrycute]

Hell, McDonalds is the most profitable restaurant year after year, does that make them a better place to eat? -TD

Last time I checked,

1) a cheese burger at McDonald's sells for about $1 (on their value menu), no tip
2) a cheese burger at a diner sells for about $6 plus tip


Sure, the diner cheese burger is a superior burger. But a McDonald cheese burger gets rid of your burger craving just as well (albeit to a lesser extent). For the price of one diner cheeseburger, I can get 6 McDonald's cheese burgers. That's a full course lunch right there. I say McDonald's is a much better value. And that's why they are number one.

 

[gus6464]

Can you quote me getting bent every time someone bashes SVS? I doubt it, because I don't post that many times a day.

I dislike it when people say stupid things such as this..



People recommend what they want. Hell, most people recommend what they have. It isn't right, but they do it. I don't care, but statements like this piss me off because it's just false. Lots of people like/have SVS subs. Are they not allowed to recommend them? I like how they measure. I have never heard one, but I state that every time I recommend one.

But in all seriousness Gus you seem to get bent out of shape anytime I post.

SheepStar

This is the first time I have ever directed a comment toward you because of something you have posted. And the only reason I did was because furrycute didn't say that SVS subs are bad, yet you decided that he did and proceeded to attack. You are always the one with the short temper in this forum. And btw he didn't bash the subs, just the way they do business. I think you need to learn how to differentiate between the two. I don't understand why some people on this board have it in their head that ID is the end all, be all in home audio.

 

[jinjuku]

For AV123 dig up the old Rocket thread on AVS. It was found that there were av123 employees posting as customers praising the speakers. Then **** hit the fan.

So are you intimating that only the ID brands would get on an enthusiast board and post positive stuff about their product? Velo/Paradigm/PSB/ wouldn't/haven't, or have not been 'busted'. How does this change the fact that 100's of independent members have good experiences with the likes of Axiom/Aperion/AV123/Elemental Designs/HSU/SVS/Ascend Acoustics etc...

The real problem is that you have some axe to grind. The OP was asking about a choice between two Velo's. Everyone here was pointing out that they just might want to expand their search criteria. Then you come along with less than an honest goal and start what amounts to a smear campaign. Of course you are going to get batted down by the other forum members.

 

[gus6464]

So are you intimating that only the ID brands would get on an enthusiast board and post positive stuff about their product? Velo/Paradigm/PSB/ wouldn't/haven't, or have not been 'busted'. How does this change the fact that 100's of independent members have good experiences with the likes of Axiom/Aperion/AV123/Elemental Designs/HSU/SVS/Ascend Acoustics etc...

The real problem is that you have some axe to grind. The OP was asking about a choice between two Velo's. Everyone here was pointing out that they just might want to expand their search criteria. Then you come along with less than an honest goal and start what amounts to a smear campaign. Of course you are going to get batted down by the other forum members.

Tomd51 said that av123 wasn't known for these practices and I just pointed out that they had been accused in the past at AVS. And please quote where I said anything bad at av123 products. I guess you are right about being batted by other forum members when it comes to saying anything negative about your beloved ID companies.

 

[tomd51]

At no point did I say AV123 wasn't known for these practices, I noted that I wasn't aware, and again reiterate I wouldn't be surprised if it had happened in the past/continues to happen.

The issue I had was that a precursor was issued to anyone suggesting the use of an SVS or AV123 as an alternative being a corporate whore/troll and called BS on it. If I had a nickel for every time I kept track of other corporate trolls that behaved in this manner (e.g. bad mouth one product while shining up their own turd), I'd have quite the collection of nickels by now.

I personally like some of Paradigms product offerings, but I have more fingers and toes than the amount of threads I've seen started by hosebags pimping their own junk while dogging the competition.

ID isn't the "end-all, be all", but they sure have been able to provide high performance for the dollar products in comparison to the B&M business... -TD

 

[Sheep]

This is the first time I have ever directed a comment toward you because of something you have posted.

Thank you for proving my point.

And the only reason I did was because furrycute didn't say that SVS subs are bad, yet you decided that he did and proceeded to attack.

They're not bad, but they can't be recommended or mentioned and when mentioned the OP should not listen. If they're not bad, then why can't they be recommended? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to cut your search from certain brands if they meet all the criteria.

You are always the one with the short temper in this forum.

Really? How can you tell if I am having a tantrum if I only use plain type? Should be read as plain type no? You're the one adding the temper.....

And btw he didn't bash the subs, just the way they do business. I think you need to learn how to differentiate between the two.

A business model carried out by other companies on this same board. They were fingered, while others weren't. To dismiss one and not the others doesn't make sense, they all committed the same offense.

I don't understand why some people on this board have it in their head that ID is the end all, be all in home audio.

You don't have to, it's not your opinion. For the money, ID is usually is the be all end all. If you prefer non ID brands, fine. But make sure you state why, otherwise you will look pretty stupid.

SheepStar

 

[kenhoeve]

My neighbor got the svs pb13 ultra on my recommendation based on this forum. I have the velo 1500R and we paid almost the same $. The velo won hands down on music, it is just tighter. The svs was the cinema winner for impact. YMMV.

 

[gus6464]

You don't have to, it's not your opinion. For the money, ID is usually is the be all end all.

SheepStar

That was just most ignorant comment ever.

My neighbor got the svs pb13 ultra on my recommendation based on this forum. I have the velo 1500R and we paid almost the same $. The velo won hands down on music, it is just tighter. The svs was the cinema winner for impact. YMMV.

You shouldn't say comments like that ken as you will get battered down right away.

 

[Sheep]

That was just most ignorant comment ever.

Care to explain? Some people are content with their opinion and beliefs. You can argue all you want with them, but generally it doesn't change anything.

Way to respond to my whole post.

SheepStar