Is it me, or are these responses just plain out there?

[timetohunt]

Once and a while I post similar or identical threads to the ones I post here on other forums. I try to get all perspectives as I grow in the hobby.

I am not looking for any validation or backup on this, but if you care to, read this thread I posted on Stereofile. Very similar to one I posted here. Is it me, or are some of these responses rather out there. If its me, please tell me, it won't hurt my feelings.

I am the original poster on the thread, name is moon.

http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=32403&an=0&page=0#Post32403

 

[highfihoney]

Not that it bothers me at all but i do question your motives,you say your looking for different perspectives,then when you get a different perspective at stereophile you act shocked in that thread.

There are only 3 perspectives in home audio.

1 perspective = all like equipment (except speakers) sounds the same in a DBT.

2 perspective = measurements mean nothing,only what you hear makes a difference.

3 perspective = if it can be easily & accurately measured then it can be heard.

The perspective you got at Sterophile is #2.

 

[Seth=L]

Uugghh, is this where the forums are going?

 

[Johnd]

Uugghh, is this where the forums are going?

Do you now see what your leaving does Seth?

 

[davidtwotrees]

I think timetohunt comported himself in a good manner and carried the objectivist flag quite admirably throughout the thread. The subjectivists always have a reason why others can't "hear" the differences they wax so eloquently about. It's really a waste of time on both sides of the fence.....kind of like a conservative telling a liberal what a great president Ronald Regan was......or the lib convincing the con that Hilary Clinton is the best choice for president..............a waste of time on both sides......

 

[gus6464]

I just find it funny that at one point they were saying that your Rotel CD player was better than your speakers so that is why there wasn't much of a difference in sound.

 

[timetohunt]

Not sure what motives that I could have that might be underhanded.
Sorry if this is bad forum protocol or unworthy for discussion.

Its just that I am still new, and do question myself, background and experience in this, not trying to bang heads.

After what I thought was a tooth pulling line of responses, I guess my question boils down to this:
Is that analog/preamp stage in my low end receiver really going to make my listening evaluation null and void as suggested by those folks?
Is the preamp electronics really that important these days when trying to hear differences and evalution such as I did?

Sorry folks, I did not mean to add a bad smear to our forum. I really like this place and don't want to come up like and idiot.

 

[gus6464]

Not sure what motives that I could have that might be underhanded.
Sorry if this is bad forum protocol or unworthy for discussion.

Its just that I am still new, and do question myself, background and experience in this, not trying to bang heads.

After what I thought was a tooth pulling line of responses, I guess my question boils down to this:
Is that analog/preamp stage in my low end receiver really going to make my listening evaluation null and void as suggested by those folks?
Is the preamp electronics really that important these days when trying to hear differences and evalution such as I did?

Sorry folks, I did not mean to add a bad smear to our forum. I really like this place and don't want to come up like and idiot.

Since your receivers pure direct mode doesn't turn off everything except the amplification I would say that it makes sense what they are saying. I know my yamaha's pure direct mode turns everything off so would there be a way for you to go to a store with the rotel and use a receiver with a a true pure direct like a yamaha or denon?

 

[timetohunt]

Since your receivers pure direct mode doesn't turn off everything except the amplification I would say that it makes sense what they are saying. I know my yamaha's pure direct mode turns everything off so would there be a way for you to go to a store with the rotel and use a receiver with a a true pure direct like a yamaha or denon?

Well, I can get the same result using the 5.1ch ins.

 

[timetohunt]

Actually, this too then. Is the preamp section (or analog section, not sure if that is the right phrasing) that much better in a high end receiver than a low end receiver? My guess was that ampification is more stable/robust, plus all the additional processing available, connectivity, and video cabablity are the real differences. But preamp? I don't know.

 

[Nomo]

Do you now see what your leaving does Seth?

Yup, you walk away for 2 or 3 hours and the place just goes to hell.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Not sure what motives that I could have that might be underhanded.
Sorry if this is bad forum protocol or unworthy for discussion.

Its just that I am still new, and do question myself, background and experience in this, not trying to bang heads.

After what I thought was a tooth pulling line of responses, I guess my question boils down to this:
Is that analog/preamp stage in my low end receiver really going to make my listening evaluation null and void as suggested by those folks?
Is the preamp electronics really that important these days when trying to hear differences and evalution such as I did?

Sorry folks, I did not mean to add a bad smear to our forum. I really like this place and don't want to come up like and idiot.

Nothing wrong with your approach as you have no idea who has the right answers. That is where your research comes in handy, and much more of it.
You need to be skeptical and need to become a critical thinker.
Science and its method of inquiry will get you there, unless you are in too much of a hurry to find out.

Step one: you have to know the source of your info.
In case of that link, Stereophile is a very subjective magazine and board, so is AA, audioasylum, a most appropriate name. They have very little regard for science and its methods of discovery. And, even if one has some sort of higher education and one tries to push that in your face, is no indication of the accuracy of the info as they may have also abandoned critical thinking when it comes to their dear hobby, audio.
Step two: as I indicated, read the articles at the home page here. If you are really into discovery, it may cost you. You need to try to get some of the citations that we post from time to time, Journal papers
Step three: follow the scientific method

ps: as to those responses, way out in left field, or even further than that.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Actually, this too then. Is the preamp section (or analog section, not sure if that is the right phrasing) that much better in a high end receiver than a low end receiver? My guess was that ampification is more stable/robust, plus all the additional processing available, connectivity, and video cabablity are the real differences. But preamp? I don't know.

Hi-end is meaningless. A marketing trap to brain wash. What are the standards it is graded against? How?
Hearing is very limited. Audiophiles do not want to accept that.
If you want transparent components, you do need to compare but using the scientific methods, DBT, in this case. Hi-enders don't, don't want to hear about it and try to discredit it at every chance.
So, it is up to you which road you will travel.

 

[Johnd]

Yup, you walk away for 2 or 3 hours and the place just goes to hell.

Is that all it was? I thought it was 2 or 3 months.

 

[timetohunt]

ps: as to those responses, way out in left field, or even further than that.

thank you. Thats all I really posted that for. I wanted to see if I was the ony one who thought those posts were out there.

 

[highfihoney]

Not sure what motives that I could have that might be underhanded.
Sorry if this is bad forum protocol or unworthy for discussion.

Its just that I am still new, and do question myself, background and experience in this, not trying to bang heads.

After what I thought was a tooth pulling line of responses, I guess my question boils down to this:
Is that analog/preamp stage in my low end receiver really going to make my listening evaluation null and void as suggested by those folks?
Is the preamp electronics really that important these days when trying to hear differences and evalution such as I did?

Sorry folks, I did not mean to add a bad smear to our forum. I really like this place and don't want to come up like and idiot.

I didnt think your motives were underhanded but i do think they were misguided.

You went to the 2nd largest lunitic hang out of all the forums & expected answers that made sense ,you will get much the same answers at Audio Asylum which gets my vote for the number one lunitic hang out.

What i was getting at was this,did you really expect realistic answers from a bunch of whack jobs who spend $100 a gallon on water to clean their records with.

 

[Warpdrv]

You went to the 2nd largest lunitic hang out of all the forums & expected answers that made sense ,you will get much the same answers at Audio Asylum which gets my vote for the number one lunitic hang out.
What i was getting at was this,did you really expect realistic answers from a bunch of whack jobs who spend $100 a gallon on water to clean their records with.

I am cleaning off my screen as I type.... that was just pee in the pants funny..... and oh so true...

Thanks HIFI...

 

[timetohunt]

I didnt think your motives were underhanded but i do think they were misguided.

You went to the 2nd largest lunitic hang out of all the forums & expected answers that made sense ,you will get much the same answers at Audio Asylum which gets my vote for the number one lunitic hang out.

What i was getting at was this,did you really expect realistic answers from a bunch of whack jobs who spend $100 a gallon on water to clean their records with.

Well, there you go. I had no idea. None. Audioholics is the first forum (on any topic) I have ever used. I did read HTguide here and there at first a bit. But I simply looked up other forums for info. So that Stereofile is the 2nd largest audio lunatic hang out is fairly strong information that I had no idea about. So, my incling was they were more enamored with tubes and such, but I did not know any idea about the rest. I started to see into a bit, after getting a feeling that some of the folks really had no systems at all, but rather liked to read and talk about them. If that would have been the first forum I stuck to, I would have eventually found the truth out, but it would have set me back a few months in getting real info.
Thanks.

 

[AdrianMills]

Unfortunately there is definitely a subjectivist slant on the majority of audio related forums that I've encountered; audioholics is the least affected that I've seen but even so, subjectivists still post occasionally.

I'd rank HTGuide third in line for audio-silliness; certainly the admin that owns the place has a vested interest as he sells high priced cables. There are several posters there that do know their stuff though; one of my favourites was an amp designer/builder that used to work for Bryston and is now a Prof in a college somewhere. He actually managed to make some cracks in several subjectivists’ armour and he was always a very informative read.

Even the forums that promote objectivism hide sub forums that are rife with silliness – just take a look at the “ultra high end 20k” section over on avsforum or even the speaker and amps sections there. It’s surprising how many seemingly intelligent people believe in magic.

This ignorance is not restricted to US forums either; the UK has forums that are no different as does Norway and Sweden. People everywhere are predisposed to the audio foolery belief system – maybe it’s related to the God gene.

Well, there you go. I had no idea. None. Audioholics is the first forum (on any topic) I have ever used. I did read HTguide here and there at first a bit. But I simply looked up other forums for info. So that Stereofile is the 2nd largest audio lunatic hang out is fairly strong information that I had no idea about. So, my incling was they were more enamored with tubes and such, but I did not know any idea about the rest. I started to see into a bit, after getting a feeling that some of the folks really had no systems at all, but rather liked to read and talk about them. If that would have been the first forum I stuck to, I would have eventually found the truth out, but it would have set me back a few months in getting real info.
Thanks.

 

[mtrycrafts]

This ignorance is not restricted to US forums either; the UK has forums that are no different as does Norway and Sweden. People everywhere are predisposed to the audio foolery belief system – maybe it’s related to the God gene.

You hit this correctly. No one is immune from this silliness and No other consumer area is immune either.
Wine has its own silliness, like magnets placed on bottles and even a master taster is supporting it Just one example.
Yes, it must be that gene. SI has a good article about this in the current issue, up front.