Amp Purchase(NAD......

[hecklerdd]

I need some help!!!!!
I 'm in the market for a Multichannel amp. I 'm ready to make the move. I have a NAD Receiver that I love but I'm building a theater and I'm moving up to 7 channels. So not sure whether to go with the NAD Master series , Sunfire 7200 or the outlaw 7700 and maybe the B&K. I love the sound of the NAD receiver so thats what I'm looking for sound wise. I'm wondering if its worth it to try another company. The price range seems to be $2000-$3000. Would love some input. Thanks

 

[cfrizz]

Hi Heckler. I'm a big fan of separate amplification. I had at one point an Outlaw monoblock for my center channel & it made a world of difference along with my Parasound 1500A for the 3 front channels.

I now have a Sunfire 405wpc 5 channel amp for all of my speakers, I love it!

Others have raved about their B & K 200wpc amps as well.

All of the companies make solid gear so you can't go wrong with any of them.

Also look at a Rotel RMB-1095, and the Parasound 5250.

You can get more bang for your buck if you get a used one from Audiogon.

 

[PENG]

I need some help!!!!!
I 'm in the market for a Multichannel amp. I 'm ready to make the move. I have a NAD Receiver that I love but I'm building a theater and I'm moving up to 7 channels. So not sure whether to go with the NAD Master series , Sunfire 7200 or the outlaw 7700 and maybe the B&K. I love the sound of the NAD receiver so thats what I'm looking for sound wise. I'm wondering if its worth it to try another company. The price range seems to be $2000-$3000. Would love some input. Thanks

If you have reasons for having 7 channels of equal power output then go for the Sunfire. If not, you may want to consider a near high end 2 or 3 channel amp for the front channels in order to get the best amp quality you can get with the $2000 to $3000 in your budget, and use it where you need it most. Your NAD should be able to do a decent job on the surround channels. Even in mult-channel SACD and DVD-A material, the surround channels do far less work than the 3 front channels so most of the time they don't need as much power.

 

[cfrizz]

Why does he NEED to have a reason for wanting all of his speakers amped?

All speakers benefit from more power Peng. I know that when my back speakers were finally amped with the front, there was a distinct improvement in what I heard not only with movies & DVD-A's & SACD's but also listening in 5channel stereo mode.

Everyone always wants to give the back speakers the short end of the stick, but they benefit from power just like any other speaker no matter where they are located.

 

[hecklerdd]

Thanks for the info. I agree I would like to have equal watts to each speaker. How is the Sunfire at low level listening. All I hear about it is how wonderful it is at high a volume. During a movie how is the dialog compared to your outlaw?

 

[rnatalli]

Don't forget to consider Emotiva. Excellent products for the money.

 

[cfrizz]

That was the biggest surprise when I got the amp. The great thing of having that much power is that clarity at low level listening is as clear as a bell! I turn my system on at 6:00am to listen while I'm getting ready for work. The volume is at -50 and I can hear every note being played clearly.

When I just had a Denon receiver powering my speakers, the volume had to be all the way up to -30.

So while I could rock the house if I wanted to, most of the time I don't have to because it's so clear at a lower volume!

The other thing I love about the Sunfire amps is the weight. It is one of the very few 5 channel amplifiers that I can manage to lift.

So if you can spring for a Sunfire, go for it, you won't be disappointed & you will probably never go back to just letting a receiver power your speakers. I know I won't!

The other thing I wanted to address is if you're going to use your Nad receiver as a prepro, then the sound should not change. The only thing an amp should do is amplify the sound, not change it.

Thanks for the info. I agree I would like to have equal watts to each speaker. How is the Sunfire at low level listening. All I hear about it is how wonderful it is at high a volume. During a movie how is the dialog compared to your outlaw?

 

[mtrycrafts]

Why does he NEED to have a reason for wanting all of his speakers amped?

Perhaps he is still trying to know mwhat is really needed versus what one just wants for whatever reason.

All speakers benefit from more power Peng.

Sheer nonsense.

I know that when my back speakers were finally amped with the front, there was a distinct improvement in what I heard not only with movies & DVD-A's & SACD's but also listening in 5channel stereo mode.

Or, just a perceived improvement that was not real?

Everyone always wants to give the back speakers the short end of the stick, but they benefit from power just like any other speaker no matter where they are located.

But, will they ever need full power at the same instant that the fronts needs full power?
I haven't found such a soundtrack yet.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Thanks for the info. I agree I would like to have equal watts to each speaker. How is the Sunfire at low level listening. All I hear about it is how wonderful it is at high a volume. During a movie how is the dialog compared to your outlaw?

It is a very good amp even at low level. But, that raises the question of your listening habits and volume.
And, most importantly, what speakers are you driving now?

 

[mtrycrafts]

...The volume is at -50 and I can hear every note being played clearly.

When I just had a Denon receiver powering my speakers, the volume had to be all the way up to -30.
.

And what does this has to do with anything about power?
It tells me that your Denon was idling practically, not that you needed more power.

 

[wire]

Perhaps he is still trying to know mwhat is really needed versus what one just wants for whatever reason.




Sheer nonsense.

It is not sheer , it also depends on the speaker you run . If they are 6 or 4 ohm speakers it will make a world of difference at any volume . The higher powered amp will make the speaker sound fuller and rich .

 

[wire]

I need some help!!!!!
I 'm in the market for a Multichannel amp. I 'm ready to make the move. I have a NAD Receiver that I love but I'm building a theater and I'm moving up to 7 channels. So not sure whether to go with the NAD Master series , Sunfire 7200 or the outlaw 7700 and maybe the B&K. I love the sound of the NAD receiver so thats what I'm looking for sound wise. I'm wondering if its worth it to try another company. The price range seems to be $2000-$3000. Would love some input. Thanks

Lucky guy .
All make great products .
I also like the Sunfire , Bob Carver , he installs a little T mod resistor ( in the older Carver Amps you could not bi pass the t mod ) , but in the Sunfire's you can . The T mod will give you a Tube like sound from a SS Amp . Now another good thing about by passing the the T mod is , Bi amping , You can give your top end a tube like sound and your bottom end a SS sound .
So when Cfrizz , told you his amp sounds alot different then the Denon ( in Clearity ) , He very well couldbe right , I know i own Carver products they are T modded .

 

[wire]

Don't forget to consider Emotiva. Excellent products for the money.

The price is right .

 

[wire]

Perhaps he is still trying to know mwhat is really needed versus what one just wants for whatever reason.




Sheer nonsense.




Or, just a perceived improvement that was not real?




But, will they ever need full power at the same instant that the fronts needs full power?
I haven't found such a soundtrack yet.

The Sunfire is abit different amp than the rest .

 

[mtrycrafts]

It is not sheer , it also depends on the speaker you run .

Yes, but that is not what he posted. He said 'ALL' speakers will benefit from it. That is sheer nonsense.

If they are 6 or 4 ohm speakers it will make a world of difference at any volume . The higher powered amp will make the speaker sound fuller and rich .

No, not so.

But, if it is a difficult load and the speaker is not sensitive enough and the receiver just cannot handle any output into that load, then yes, but there are a number of conditions that have to line up for this to happen.

 

[3db]

No, not so.

But, if it is a difficult load and the speaker is not sensitive enough and the receiver just cannot handle any output into that load, then yes, but there are a number of conditions that have to line up for this to happen.

Like the alignment of all the planets?

 

[hecklerdd]

It is a very good amp even at low level. But, that raises the question of your listening habits and volume.
And, most importantly, what speakers are you driving now?

My speakers are nothing special , but I like the sound They are the infinity IL60s(Sensitivity: 89dB) and IL30s(sensitivity 88 dB) for the rear and the center is a IL36(Sensitivity: 91dB).
Defiantly leaning toward the sunfire, just not sure whether the 7400 or the 7200

 

[wire]

Yes, but that is not what he posted. He said 'ALL' speakers will benefit from it. That is sheer nonsense.



No, not so.

But, if it is a difficult load and the speaker is not sensitive enough and the receiver just cannot handle any output into that load, then yes, but there are a number of conditions that have to line up for this to happen.

In the most part
Any well designed 4 or 6 ohm speaker is gonna be hard to drive , I would never recommend driving them with mass produced reciever . In 2 channel music listining . Something may smoke .

 

[wire]

My speakers are nothing special , but I like the sound They are the infinity IL60s(Sensitivity: 89dB) and IL30s(sensitivity 88 dB) for the rear and the center is a IL36(Sensitivity: 91dB).
Defiantly leaning toward the sunfire, just not sure whether the 7400 or the 7200

Give it a try ( mustbe nice ) , your gonna make your speaker Scream .

 

[cfrizz]

DROOL! Nice Heckler! Either one of those amps will drive your current speakers & any future speakers you get with ease!

Let us know what you end up getting & how much you love it!