Definitive Technology Supercube I vs SVS SB12-Plus

[leo1058]

whats up its me angel

 

[mazersteven]

the one you sent back is the new b-stock aaaaaAAAA

 

[gus6464]

whats up its me angel

Sup angel!

 

[leo1058]

so you really gettin a SB12

 

[mike c]

im curious steven, do you have all these pics in your hard drive waiting for a chance to be used or do you search the web for an appropriate pic everytime?

 

[fmw]

Okay, Tom Nousaine's Lab measurement (<10% distortion, 2 meter distance, 7,500 C.F. room):

SVS SB12-Plus - 32-62Hz Average = 104dB; FR = 34-116Hz +/-2dB; Bass Limit = 32Hz @ 102dB.

SuperCube I - 25-62Hz Average = 103dB; FR = 30-120Hz +/-2dB; Bass Limit = 25 Hz @ 78dB.

So my interpretation is that the DefTech SC-I goes lower than the SVS SB12-Plus!

So I would buy the SuperCube I.

http://home.comcast.net/~frank_carter/Nousaine.htm

It goes lower more weakly.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It goes lower more weakly.

But does it mean the SB12-Plus will not go down to 25Hz?
Or does it just mean it cannot go down to 25Hz w/ less than 10% distortion?

 

[mazersteven]

But does it mean the SB12-Plus will not go down to 25Hz?
Or does it just mean it cannot go down to 25Hz w/ less than 10% distortion?

Read post #2

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=81597

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Read post #2

http://forums.soundandvisionmag.com/audiovideo/board/message?board.id=40&thread.id=81597

Looks like it can go well below 20Hz, just a little less volume & a little more distortion, but still under 10% THD, right?

How would you interpret Tom Nousaine's measurement of the SB12-Plus?

 

[beyond 1000]

In response to the originating question I have not heard SVS to forge an opinion since a subwoofer or soundsystem MUST be heard by the buyer rather than making a desision based on mere statistics pro OR con or opinions of "fanboys" of any company out there. Simple and straight.

It is YOUR money going on this equipment for YOUR ears. That said good UNBIASED opinion is important to direct you to an understanding of which unit would work best for your needs.

I can say however that I have had an audition with the Supercube 1 in a proper "home type" setup at a local hi-end dealer who took the time to demonstrate the unit to me.

The movie he selected was War of the Worlds starring Tom Cruise. Chapter 5 was selected being the scene where the aliens first come from the ground cracking the street below and tearing the buildings apart.

I have heard all the pro and con against the SC1 and decided to apply all the information to what I have heard with MY OWN ears.

The Definitive Technology Supercube 1 is an outstanding subwoofer for a small to medium sized room. It crushed the room I was in literally shaking the couch. The unit was right beside the couch I was sitting on. How low was the frequency range of that sub? Honestly who cares about numbers in this case because it is sound you are hearing and not percieved statistics on a page. It was very low and very deep. Enough to satisfy me twice over.

Does that mean the rest of you have to agree. Not at all. Forget company reputation....svs vs def tech and listen to the units yourself.

The SC1 goes down plenty low and in a small sized internal volume room like mine, the dealer was trying to convince me that the SC2 is a better fit.

The SC1 is an excellent sub. If anybody has had an experience with the SVS in a proper environment let us know your thoughts.

For what it's worth, SVS make great quality subs as well.

Make sure you listen your way to a purchase.

 

[Sheep]

By your logic you can't buy an ID brand then. That would give you an agenda (and so does the rest of your post). YOUR EARS, as you so lightly put, are not bias free, nor are they accurate... at all. Measurements conducted in a proper manner are the best way to see how a subwoofer/speaker/piece of equipment performs. You can't hear everything a microphone will pick up.

You say the subwoofer shook a couch... that was right beside it. Wow! If it DIDN'T shake the couch, it should be shot. BTW, accurate, truthful specs, like the ones provided with most ID brands, are what sell the products, because the buyer knows he's not buying bullshit.

SheepStar

 

[fredk]

Well now bahhh dude, thats the challenge for ID companies. As you learned with Axiom, you can't tell what your personal tastes are by looking at specs.

Also, specs. don't tell the whole story. This is something I learned by listening first hand to several products in Axioms lineup.

Given my recent experience, I would get both of the subs into my house and compare them for myself. Consider the cost of return shipping on the SVS as insurance should you not like what you heard.

In my case it cost me around $60 in gas to drive up to Axiom for a listen. As a result, I know for sure when I order my speakers they will be the right ones for me.

Fred

 

[Sheep]

Well now bahhh dude, thats the challenge for ID companies. As you learned with Axiom, you can't tell what your personal tastes are by looking at specs.

Also, specs. don't tell the whole story. This is something I learned by listening first hand to several products in Axioms lineup.

Given my recent experience, I would get both of the subs into my house and compare them for myself. Consider the cost of return shipping on the SVS as insurance should you not like what you heard.

In my case it cost me around $60 in gas to drive up to Axiom for a listen. As a result, I know for sure when I order my speakers they will be the right ones for me.

Fred

This post was directed at me correct? Please confirm this so I can rip you a new one.

SheepStar

 

[fredk]

It was. Wasn't meant to be offensive though, so I appologise if it came across that way.

The point is IMO a valid one. What we perceive as a good speaker is a very individual thing. Listening to a range of speakers is a good thing to do so you can get a sense of what you like.

Thats a reall challenge for any internet distribution based company.

Fred

 

[Sheep]

It was. Wasn't meant to be offensive though, so I appologise if it came across that way.

The point is IMO a valid one. What we perceive as a good speaker is a very individual thing. Listening to a range of speakers is a good thing to do so you can get a sense of what you like.

Thats a reall challenge for any internet distribution based company.

Fred

Accurate specifications are what separate ID companies with B&M companies. If you know what you like, measure it(or find measurements), and compare it to other speakers that have been measured. Pretty simple.

SheepStar

 

[picture_shooter]

Ok,

Sorry for bring back the dead, but I figure to have less new posts (I did use the search button ).

Anyways, I have the option to either puchase the Rythmik FV12 or the DefTech SCi (supercube 1) for both the same price. Which should I jump on?

Thanks,

 

[AVRat]

1. Epik Legend
2. Rhythmik FV12
3. DT SCI

 

[picture_shooter]

1. Epik Legend
2. Rhythmik FV12
3. DT SCI

I considered the Legend, but shipping cost would change everything.

Both the Rhythmik and DT SCi are local purchase thanks

 

[bmurphy2121]

I my self have had the DT SCI for several years now and have always loved it. I think its a great sub, very clear sounding to me I even have the BP7002 and they dont drown out that sub at all. Hey worse case get the DT SCI and if you dont like it take it back since its local no hurt in doing that.

 

[Pyrrho]

Even though the SC-I is far superior than the SB12 on paper?

No, it does not look better on paper. Definitive Technology does not specify a tolerance for the frequency response of the SuperCube I, so it could be +/-20dB or anything else.

Basically, any company that does not list a tolerance for the frequency response probably has something to hide.

There is also the all important maximum SPL at the different frequencies, as you can get 10 Hz from a tweeter, just not at a level that is going to actually be audible.

Buy the SVS.