Definitive Technology Supercube I vs SVS SB12-Plus

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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I have a friend who works for BB and he can get me a Def Tech Supercube I for about the same price as the SVS SB12-Plus. Which would be better? I can't get a bigger sub because of WAF. And the SCI and SB12 are roughly the same size.

Supercube I
Dimensions: 14-1/4" W x 14-1/4" D x 14-1/10" H
Frequency Response: 13 Hz — 200Hz
Driver Complement: One 10" long-throw polymer subwoofer coupled to two 10" sub-bass radiators
Built-in Amplifier: 1500 watts Digitally-Coupled Class D Amplifier
Low Pass Crossover: 24 dB/octave continuously adjustable variable (40 —150 Hz) plus Unfiltered LFE direct coupled input
High Pass Crossover: Low level Inputs: 12 dB/octave continuously variable (40 — 150 Hz)
Speaker level: 6 dB octave (80 Hz)
Finish: Piano gloss black
Weight: 63 lbs.

SB12-Plus
SVS designed/built custom Plus 12.3 woofer
Built-in 425 watt BASH (R) amp with PEQ
CAD design, CNC cut, hand-built enclosure
Front-firing sealed design, recessed driver
Compliant floor mounts, low center of gravity
Room compensation control for optimal response
Assembled and tested in the Ohio SVS factory
Extra heavy-duty detachable 8 foot power cord
Five finishes with intricately rounded corners
Magnetic grill retainers (premium finishes only)
Industry leading response (+/- 3dB 22Hz-150Hz)
Size: Approx. 15” deep x 14" wide x 14 " high
Weight: 40 pounds
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
gus6464 said:
I have a friend who works for BB and he can get me a Def Tech Supercube I for about the same price as the SVS SB12-Plus. Which would be better? I can't get a bigger sub because of WAF. And the SCI and SB12 are roughly the same size.

Supercube I
Dimensions: 14-1/4" W x 14-1/4" D x 14-1/10" H
Frequency Response: 13 Hz — 200Hz
Driver Complement: One 10" long-throw polymer subwoofer coupled to two 10" sub-bass radiators
Built-in Amplifier: 1500 watts Digitally-Coupled Class D Amplifier
Low Pass Crossover: 24 dB/octave continuously adjustable variable (40 —150 Hz) plus Unfiltered LFE direct coupled input
High Pass Crossover: Low level Inputs: 12 dB/octave continuously variable (40 — 150 Hz)
Speaker level: 6 dB octave (80 Hz)
Finish: Piano gloss black
Weight: 63 lbs.

SB12-Plus
SVS designed/built custom Plus 12.3 woofer
Built-in 425 watt BASH (R) amp with PEQ
CAD design, CNC cut, hand-built enclosure
Front-firing sealed design, recessed driver
Compliant floor mounts, low center of gravity
Room compensation control for optimal response
Assembled and tested in the Ohio SVS factory
Extra heavy-duty detachable 8 foot power cord
Five finishes with intricately rounded corners
Magnetic grill retainers (premium finishes only)
Industry leading response (+/- 3dB 22Hz-150Hz)
Size: Approx. 15” deep x 14" wide x 14 " high
Weight: 40 pounds
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Oh, man, you have to ask about the DT SuperCubes on Audioholics forum?
You might get better moral support on AVRevForum.com!:D

You will get 1000 votes for SVS-12 and Zero votes for SC-I here!
Normally, I would vote for DefTech, but I'm not doing that here.:D

As far as asthetics, I think Def Techs Subs look the best. Bass output, SVS subs will have the upper hand.

I am currently torn between Epik Conquest and DefTech Trinity. Trinity looks 100% better, but Conquest performs better.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
AcuDefTechGuy said:
Oh, man, you have to ask about the DT SuperCubes on Audioholics forum?
You might get better moral support on AVRevForum.com!:D

You will get 1000 votes for SVS-12 and Zero votes for SC-I here!
Normally, I would vote for DefTech, but I'm not doing that here.:D

As far as asthetics, I think Def Techs Subs look the best. Bass output, SVS subs will have the upper hand.

I am currently torn between Epik Conquest and DefTech Trinity. Trinity looks 100% better, but Conquest performs better.
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Even though the SC-I is far superior than the SB12 on paper?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
gus6464 said:
Even though the SC-I is far superior than the SB12 on paper?
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Oh, no.
This is where you will get all the DefTech Bashing!:)

The SC-I can do about 87dB @ 20Hz, whereas the SVS-12Plus can do probably 92dB @16Hz or 96dB @ 20Hz.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Unfortunately, I don't think anybody out there has done a direct comparison. Sure you can look at numbers and measurements, but everybody's room and setup options are different, so you don't really know how either will perform until you have them in your room.

I have had my SC I for 3 years and have been very saisfied with it in my 3600+ open basement family room. Anybody who says it doesn't do sub-sonic frequencies with gusto is FoS.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
AVRat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think anybody out there has done a direct comparison. Sure you can look at numbers and measurements, but everybody's room and setup options are different, so you don't really know how either will perform until you have them in your room.

I have had my SC I for 3 years and have been very saisfied with it in my 3600+ open basement family room. Anybody who says it doesn't do sub-sonic frequencies with gusto is FoS.
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So you have both a SC-I & SVS Sub?

Have you done a comparison?

I've read so many GREAT reviews on the SuperCubes. Actually, I've read so many GREAT reviews on ALL DefTech products.:D

And yet I still hear plenty of people (like Tom Nousaine) saying that the SuperCubes are just not as good as so many reviewers say they are.

But if you have both the SC-I & PB12-Plus, please compare them if you can.:)

You know, I've learned so many abreviations on this forum!
Add FoS to my abreviation vocabulary.:D
 
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fishairflow

Enthusiast
its funny...I just decided to ditch my klipsch RSW 10 (hope I am making the right decision) and decided to either go with Supercube I or SVS SB12-plus.

I would be very grateful if some knowledgeable people could shed some light on this. Please keep in mind I am not that technically savy.
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
SVS SB12-Plus

I have the SVS SB12-Plus in the rosenut finish due to similar WAF restrictions. It is a great little sub, but it won't play as low as some of those huge ported boxes. 20 Hz extension and good SPL with a small form factor is fine for my living room HT. I would recommend it for your application but I don't have any experience with the super cube.

Also, AV123 is working on a similar form factor sub, the X-plosive for about $400. It has not started shipping yet, but they have run several promos that allowed you to purchase two of these for $300 each.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
you can return both, so if you have enough cash/credit, just get both and return the one you don't like. The most you will be out is return shipping on the SVS if you don't like it better, and that's a small price to pay so you never have to ask yourself whatif.
 
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fishairflow

Enthusiast
Disclaimer - I am not a true audiophile.

One word - W O W !!!....I just got the Supercube I and it is amazing. Goodbye old sub....

On the other hand - those who have tried both - svs and supercube - and are raving about svs - I have to say that if they are right - SVS must be good too.

I feel safer that I have 2 weeks to try out this puppy and then return it if I don't like it. I think I am going to keep supercube.

Again to those contemplating - during my research I have heard a lot about SVS - and if you can - you should try is as I have only heard good things about these. If you can't - you certainly can not go wrong with SUPERCUBE !


I have a weird mutated room which is open and has kitchen in the same room (NY apartments) - and it still fills the room.

ANy recommendations as to where I can get good movies to take this puppy for a test drive?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Okay, Tom Nousaine's Lab measurement (<10% distortion, 2 meter distance, 7,500 C.F. room):

SVS SB12-Plus - 32-62Hz Average = 104dB; FR = 34-116Hz +/-2dB; Bass Limit = 32Hz @ 102dB.

SuperCube I - 25-62Hz Average = 103dB; FR = 30-120Hz +/-2dB; Bass Limit = 25 Hz @ 78dB.

So my interpretation is that the DefTech SC-I goes lower than the SVS SB12-Plus!

So I would buy the SuperCube I.

http://home.comcast.net/~frank_carter/Nousaine.htm
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
You are comparing apples and oranges. 10" driver vs. a 12" driver. Big difference in their ability to move air. If you can buy either for the same price, go with the 12" without question. Don't even spend any time worrying about it. Big difference.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
GlocksRock said:
It may go lower, but specs on paper don't tell the whole story... although I too in this case would probably go with the Def Tech, just because the SB12 isn't designed as a high output, sub. Sound and Vision magazine reviewed the SB12, along with some others. http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speakers/2316/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers-svs-sb12-plus-page8.html
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So actually, the Velodyne ($800 msrp) was the best one of the review.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speakers/2316/shootout-five-mid-price-subwoofers-velodyne-dls-5000r-page10.html

Yeah, specs (even Tom Nousaine's:D) don't tell the whole story.
For example, the Bang & Olufsen BeoLab5 ($8,000 ea) had a FR of 29Hz-16kHz +/-3.4dB w/ the Low Bass Limit at 25Hz (78dB).
The DefTech CLR3000 Center Channel ($1,000 ea) had a FR of 28Hz-20kHz +/-3.1dB w/ the Bass Limit at 25Hz (74dB). Is that much of an improvement for the extra $7,000?:confused:

Man, for a $16,000 Pair of speakers, I would expect the BeoLab5 to do a lot better! And The Audio Critic just absolutely LOVED the BeoLab5!

Specs just don't tell everything.

Specs!
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Hmm SVS has 2 b-stock black SB12's for $599. Wonder if that also counts for in home trial. Well I guess I am going to order the SB12 but have to wait until Jan 1st :(
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
gus6464 said:
Hmm SVS has 2 b-stock black SB12's for $599. Wonder if that also counts for in home trial. Well I guess I am going to order the SB12 but have to wait until Jan 1st :(
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im pretty sure it is. it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

because you could have a new one sent for demo, if you like it or not, send it back. then order the B-stock :D
 
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