Are audiophiles the most gullable of hobbyists

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
But back to the original Post, seems to me like most of us audioholics here are not Gullible; I don't think we are easily duped or cheated. In fact, many of us are pretty cheap.:D

Sure, sometimes we buy things we should not. But we are aware of that.:)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
So, if one is cheap, he is not gullible and if one is not cheap, they are?:D
Well, cheap people tend to be a lot more careful where they spend their money. They won't even spend $100 on speaker cables. Or something like that.:)
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Well, cheap people tend to be a lot more careful where they spend their money. They won't even spend $100 on speaker cables. Or something like that.:)
And really cheap people want everything for free and hate spending money on even cheap stuff. They give the people selling it lip saying it's too much, when they're not even the ones setting the price. They don't want to buy it else where, they want it there, for cheaper. People like that can fall down a flight of stairs for all I care.

SheepStar
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
But back to the original Post, seems to me like most of us audioholics here are not Gullible; I don't think we are easily duped or cheated. In fact, many of us are pretty cheap
Funny you should say that,my wife calls me "The king of cheap" because i wont buy anything before looking around at all the stores,ebay & internet sites for the best prices,then i allmost allways end up buying used,especially large purchases.

Ive lost sleep before knowing i could of got something much cheaper had i been patient.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
And really cheap people want everything for free and hate spending money on even cheap stuff. They give the people selling it lip saying it's too much, when they're not even the ones setting the price. They don't want to buy it else where, they want it there, for cheaper. People like that can fall down a flight of stairs for all I care.

SheepStar
When i used to be a residential contractor i found that most home owners were like that,always quoting prices from "Elmer Fudd Contracting" that they found advertising in the newspaper classified add's.

They'd try & talk me down in any way they could, all the while having a fleet of expensive cars in the drive of a million dollar home,i'm glad i gave up on residential contracting.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
... [CHEAP] People like that can fall down a flight of stairs for all I care.

SheepStar
Now. Now. Let's not resort to violence. We audioholics are peaceful critters.

I think "cheap" has different levels, just like anything else.

Why pay for a magazine subscription when you can get it for free?

Why pay for a computer software, when you work place offers it for free?

Why pay for shipping/handling, when you can get it for free?

Why buy a BD movie, when you can get it for free?

But I'm not going to expect someone to sell me speakers & audio/video gears without profit. And I'm not going to get rude with someone for not being able to sell me something at a price I'm comfortable with.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Now. Now. Let's not resort to violence. We audioholics are peaceful critters.

I think "cheap" has different levels, just like anything else.

Why pay for a magazine subscription when you can get it for free?

Why pay for a computer software, when you work place offers it for free?

Why pay for shipping/handling, when you can get it for free?

Why buy a BD movie, when you can get it for free?

But I'm not going to expect someone to sell me speakers & audio/video gears without profit. And I'm not going to get rude with someone for not being able to sell me something at a price I'm comfortable with.
I wasn't implying you were cheap... you cheap a$$ :p

SheepStar
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I wasn't implying you were cheap... you cheap a$$ :p

SheepStar
LOL.:D

Yes, I am a cheap A$$, but I still have a little pride left & some decency, you know?

I always put myself in the next person's shoes.

The HT store gave me an awesome deal on my speakers, but I'm giving them plenty of business and good word of mouth. Trade-off.
 
ChrisJam

ChrisJam

Full Audioholic
I agree with you completely. I'm a lousy golfer. I have a couple of friends who are pros. It always devastates me when they take one of my clubs and make a wonderful shot with it. It really drives home the fact that it's skill and not equipment that makes the difference.
I used to know a man who won Wimbledon. He said one day that even though he had a favorite racket and a favorite string combination, he could use almost any racket and string combo--even a low-level frame with cheap nylon strings--and beat almost anyone with it, even fine players such as college varsity players, sectionally ranked players, and minor-league-level pros. He'd want a good set-up for something challenging, he said, but otherwise, he'd make do, and make do very well.

Chris
 
ChrisJam

ChrisJam

Full Audioholic
Yes sir, 1994 American Strat Plus, and a '94 Les Paul goldtop 1960 re-issue, Marshall amplification.
Your set-ups are great!

I used to play in some bands. My fave lead guitar partner used a 1970s Les Paul. Its action was sweet. I was a rhythm and acoustic player, and I preferred the action of my Gibson SG for rhythm work (Ampeg amplification).

Chris
 
ChrisJam

ChrisJam

Full Audioholic
When i used to be a residential contractor i found that most home owners were like that,always quoting prices from "Elmer Fudd Contracting" that they found advertising in the newspaper classified add's.

They'd try & talk me down in any way they could, all the while having a fleet of expensive cars in the drive of a million dollar home,i'm glad i gave up on residential contracting.
I hate that kind of thinking--the other people's, not yours! :)

We recently had our main bathroom remodeled--walls, floor, window, tub/shower, plumbing, toilet, everything. We wanted a good job. Some older friends recommended a contractor, saying that they'd used him, that he was by no means the cheapest, that he was honest, and that we would NOT have to hire anyone to fix his work. We asked him over for an estimate. He quoted us a lot more than we first planned on spending. We were shocked at first, and said we'd think about it. We trusted him, based on the friends' recommendations, asked him back to ask a few questions and do measurements, gave him a down payment, and asked when he could start the job. His crew and he were always on time, they did a super job, and he had no problem with us doing the painting to save a few hundred dollars. We've had this man back for some smaller projects, and have recommended him to friends. If I built a new house around here, I'd turn to him.

I'd be SCARED to use a cheap contractor, frankly!

But back to what you said, highfihoney, I'm amazed how some well-off people try to talk everything down to the last penny. I used to be a commercial photographer for many, many years. I had some clients pull tricks like this. I was in one man's showroom one day, giving him an estimate. He asked me to walk to his file cabinet, where he pulled out a purchase order for some other photography done by a cheap photographer. I couldn't match that price and told him so. I also told him what I could do that that other photographer couldn't do. He wasn't happy, so I thanked him and walked away.

Chris
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
Yes sir, 1994 American Strat Plus, and a '94 Les Paul goldtop 1960 re-issue, Marshall amplification.
Hey, I've got a Strat Plus from about that time frame. Mine has the gold Fender-Lace sensors and that roller nut, locking tuners and built-in strap lock system. It's still a sweet guitar. I only have one other electric, a Gibson Faded SG. Both sound awesome through my Roland BC-60. That amp's a good example of my bang for buck mentality. I wouldn't spend the money on a Randall or Marshall. Maybe a Fender Twin Reverb some day... The BC-60 sounds excellent for a solid state amp and had all the stage volume I need.

Jim
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Man, did this thread ever wander *L* Its kinda cool to see it morph. ;)
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
Your set-ups are great!

I used to play in some bands. My fave lead guitar partner used a 1970s Les Paul. Its action was sweet. I was a rhythm and acoustic player, and I preferred the action of my Gibson SG for rhythm work (Ampeg amplification).

Chris
What gets really scary is when the guitar hobby is combined with an essentially unlimited supply of money. Have you ever seen Steve Howe's guitar collection? Or David Gilmore's?:eek:
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Hey, I've got a Strat Plus from about that time frame. Mine has the gold Fender-Lace sensors and that roller nut, locking tuners and built-in strap lock system. It's still a sweet guitar. I only have one other electric, a Gibson Faded SG. Both sound awesome through my Roland BC-60. That amp's a good example of my bang for buck mentality. I wouldn't spend the money on a Randall or Marshall. Maybe a Fender Twin Reverb some day... The BC-60 sounds excellent for a solid state amp and had all the stage volume I need.

Jim
Hey J,

I got such a good deal on the Marshall that it would have been crazy not to buy it, the store was going out of business and they were having a fire sale.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Do you guys take your tube amps to some "tube guy" to make mods? I have a couple of friends who do and swear by him, even for lesser amps not called "Marshall". Takes him about a month though. If you are in SoCal, I can probably give you his contact by PM if you are interested :)
 
Polygon

Polygon

Audioholic
Yes, people there are gullible people in A/V. They are in every hobby. Otherwise how else would you explain the fact that Bose is still around. Sound is very subjective, as is video. There is also a lot of placebo going on here. They want to hear a change so much, that they do. If it works for them, great. If that's how they justify the money they waste on useless crap then so be it.

Like stratman stated. Just because it's expensive doesn't make it better. You can buy a set of the most expensive speakers out there and still sound crappier than a basic set of consumer level stuff because the room you picked has horrible acoustics or you have poor speaker placement, or maybe your driving them with and underpowered amp that you bought from Radio Shack. It doesn't matter. My system is old and cheap but it sounds better than most people I know, (and they admit it) that have spent a lot more because they don't know any better. Another goo example is cars. You can buy a Buggati Veyron but it won't beat a $50,000 Lotus Exige around a track, unless it has a VERY long straight run.

Anyhow, you get the idea. Hype is everywhere and into everything and there are plenty of people who eat it up.
 
B

benolium

Junior Audioholic
Upgrades Galore

I own a pool stick that cost more than my whole HT system.:eek:
I can relate to that one. At one time I was playing with a 3,500 Joss East. Then I realized that a 300.00 Joss Sneaky Pete was a smarter choice.I was just as good, and dindn't stress when I nicked it. I'ts not the equipment in most hobbies, or sports that requires Talent. A few come to mind, golf, tennis, billiards, skateboarding, biking... I could go on. I do think though that there is quality and excellence to be had in getting higher end equipent. Things that don't require talent to own, but we get caught up in getten better things... Cars (to some degree), HT, furniture, nice houses ect. It all comes down to priorities. Some poeple want to justify expensive purchases, or have the best of everything. I suppose that's what having a hobby is all about....progressing. Hopefully I can stay off the McIntosh and B&W websites for a while. My simple system is just fine. For now :rolleyes:
 
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