This is where Global Warming is headed

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stratman

stratman

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Perhaps that is what our existence really is/was? A last desperate crew left another planet (Mars) landed here and repopulated. Bringing with them in their spaceship all the DNA of creatures from the world they destroyed as well as plants. It is theoretically possible. Coming to a world so capable of supplying life. Perhaps we are the aliens who came to this planet to use it's resources and wiped out the creatures that lived here (i.e. dinosaurs) it just happened so long ago that no one remembers and/or the truth was hidden to prevent it from happening again so we might take care of the planet.


I admit, that is out there, but it sounded good as I thought of it.

Just brainstorming.
Good Star Trek episode!:D
 
stratman

stratman

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I do have an idea though, since this world is so messed up, we (the right) will stay here and finish it off, meanwhile you lefties can get on the space shuttle colonize some planet somewhere in the left quadrant of our galaxy, there you won't have internal combustion engines, no nuclear power, no airplanes, no a/v equipment as it is ecologically unfriendly to search for copper and other metals, you know that nasty business known as strip mining, no hiking in the woods because you'll step on "old dirt" or some "rare" plant or bug, no fishing because fish feel pain, no farting as it pollutes and/or it causes others pain, no burgers because cows fart and pollute and feel pain when turned into burgers, no paper as it uses trees and the process to make it is dirty and trees feel pain when being turned into paper, no firearms because you know....it isn't proper, no leather products because we don't hurt our forest friends as they feel pain when being turned into leather, no malls and specially no Wal-Mart as it cries capitalism, no air conditioning as it uses electricity and it's made out of metals, wow now I'm beginning to question my political beliefs.:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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Perhaps that is what our existence really is/was? A last desperate crew left another planet (Mars) landed here and repopulated. Bringing with them in their spaceship all the DNA of creatures from the world they destroyed as well as plants. It is theoretically possible. Coming to a world so capable of supplying life. Perhaps we are the aliens who came to this planet to use it's resources and wiped out the creatures that lived here (i.e. dinosaurs) it just happened so long ago that no one remembers and/or the truth was hidden to prevent it from happening again so we might take care of the planet.


I admit, that is out there, but it sounded good as I thought of it.

Just brainstorming.
Sure of course just brainstorming:D

We'll see soon enough if that planet has any traces of evolved life left in its archives.:D
 
krabapple

krabapple

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Ya gotta love the tenacity of leftist activists......


They will disregard billions of years of geologic history and depend solely on a 100 year split second segment of "post industrial age" climate data to deduce both Man Made global cooling in the 1970s, and Man Made global warming 30 years later based on the same data.
That grossly misrepresents the way the science has actually developed.

Frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.

If history has taught us anything, it's that short term climate change is not predictable!! What we do know is that we should expect a major ice age roughly every 100,000 years, coupled with many smaller mini-ice ages in-between(Hint...Global Warming/Cooling). The warming & cooling between these events is NOT constant, and the short term speed of these events can spike and fluctuate greatly!!

As far as "REAL" science can say, mankind and our impact on Earths global climate is merely an insignificant speck of sand...... as compared to all of our seas combined.


Heck, why not take the longer view....nothing that happens on Earth can have the slightest impact in the context of the Universe. Which is doomed to extinction anyway.

So, let's ignore global warming. Let's ignore anything that might affect the environment. In the scheme of deep time, it's less than a blip; it's an infinitesimal irrelevance. But then again, so are we.

Maybe it's time to resurrect the Know Nothing party.
 
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krabapple

krabapple

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I do have an idea though, since this world is so messed up, we (the right) will stay here and finish it off, meanwhile you lefties can get on the space shuttle colonize some planet somewhere in the left quadrant of our galaxy, there you won't have internal combustion engines, no nuclear power, no airplanes, no a/v equipment as it is ecologically unfriendly to search for copper and other metals, you know that nasty business known as strip mining, no hiking in the woods because you'll step on "old dirt" or some "rare" plant or bug, no fishing because fish feel pain, no farting as it pollutes and/or it causes others pain, no burgers because cows fart and pollute and feel pain when turned into burgers, no paper as it uses trees and the process to make it is dirty and trees feel pain when being turned into paper, no firearms because you know....it isn't proper, no leather products because we don't hurt our forest friends as they feel pain when being turned into leather, no malls and specially no Wal-Mart as it cries capitalism, no air conditioning as it uses electricity and it's made out of metals, wow now I'm beginning to question my political beliefs.:D

Wait --I thought too many scientists were *lefties*??? How is the 'anti-leftie' part of the galaxy every going to develop technology? (Unfortunately for them, pulling 'facts' out of your *** just doesn't work in science)
 
annunaki

annunaki

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Sure of course just brainstorming:D

We'll see soon enough if that planet has any traces of evolved life left in its archives.:D

That is if those in charge of the information feel it is ok to let the general public know.:confused:
 
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Buckeye_Nut

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I do have an idea though, since this world is so messed up, we (the right) will stay here and finish it off, meanwhile you lefties can get on the space shuttle colonize some planet somewhere in the left quadrant of our galaxy, there you won't have internal combustion engines, no nuclear power, no airplanes, no a/v equipment as it is ecologically unfriendly to search for copper and other metals,
I hope the alarmist kooks don't go to mars, because Martian global warming is bound to scare them to death!

Which brings up a very good point, and that is Martian Global Warming. Now that mars has been studied at very close range for several years now, it is a known fact that mars is also experiencing the same global warming trends as found here on earth. While dopey Earthlings frantically wave their arms and warn of "man-made" global warming here on earth, just how do you think they will explain Martian global warming?

Do you think the Martian Global Warming and its shrinking polar caps could be related to the Earths current warming trend?? Why do dopey alarmist kooks ignore Martian warming? Do you think the idiots might put 2+2 together, and realize that global warming is NOT a man-made phenomenon?? In reality, the alarmists aren't that stupid, which is why they choose to ignore Martian warming all together. That's why they also ignore all geologic facts/history that rubs against the grain of their leftist policymaking agenda.
 
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krabapple

krabapple

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I hope the alarmist kooks don't go to mars, because Martian global warming is bound to scare them to death!

Which brings up a very good point, and that is Martian Global Warming.
..which, to the extent it's occurring appears to be due to *very* different factors than Earth's, e.g. regional climate instability affecting its ice caps (which are made mostly of *carbon dioxide*, not water), and changes in the planet's reflectivity (albedo).

We've only been measuring Martian weather for about three decades, over which time the trend, if one can call it that, is a *cooling* one. The fact is we simply don't have anything like the time series of weather and climate data for Mars, that we have for Earth, for making comparable claims.

Now that mars has been studied at very close range for several years now, it is a known fact that mars is also experiencing the same global warming trends as found here on earth.

As far as comparing trends, factors affecting Martian atmospheric dynamics are notably different from Earth's, including significant impact of nearly planet-wide dust storms, and significant absence of those rather large bodies of water we call oceans.

What the earth and mars do share is the sun...whose possible impact on global warming was evaluated in the most recent IPCC report...and guess what it found? I challenge you to look it up.

Also, latest research (published this April in Nature) suggests that any 'global' warming on Mars is due to recent changes in albedo -- that is, its reflectivity.
Not the sun.

Fenton, Lori K.; Paul E. Geissler and Robert M. Haberle (5 April 2007). "Global warming and climate forcing by recent albedo changes on Mars". Nature 446: 646-9.


Actually their use of 'global warming' is regrettably literal, since it most likely applies more to a short-term phenomenon. As one atmospheric scientist commented in
the news article accompanying the Nature paper,

http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-5.html

Using these results, one might come to the conclusion that in 500 or so years the martian polar ice-caps will be completely gone, notes Phil Christensen, a planetary scientist at Arizona State University, Tempe. But, he says: "I don't think that's likely. They're looking at a piece of the cycle, other processes could turn this around to a place where the ice-caps start growing again."

A major dust storm that engulfs the entire planet, for example, could redistribute dust more evenly around the planet and instigate cooling. "Dust storms are like a reset mechanism," says Fenton. Such storms were seen on the planet in the 1970s.

Fenton's work shows nicely how conditions on Mars have changed on decadal timescales, says Christensen. But the results shouldn't be taken further than that: "You can't take 10 years of data and extrapolate out to 1,000 years," he says

and later in that Nature news article

The warming on Mars is likely to be seized by climate-change sceptics here on Earth - if Mars is hotting up even without any cars or pollution, then perhaps the Sun or some other natural, Solar-System-wide factor is to blame. But to infer that would be "crazy" says Christensen (see 'Hot times in the Solar System').

"The more we learn about Mars, the more intuition it gives us about Earth, but the systems are fundamentally different," he says.





In the same issue, Nature also published a specific debunking of the skeptical denialist propaganda about solar system heating being the cause of 'our' global warming -- the ''Hot Times in teh Solar System' articel mentioned above. Here's an excerpt


http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070402/full/070402-7.html

Before we take a quick spin around the Solar System looking at these ideas, it is worth noting that the said system contains, in all, ten bodies with atmospheres thick enough to provide something we might call a climate. If these ten climates are all subject to a little natural variation, as the climate on Earth is, then finding that half of them are showing some warming at any given time is hardly surprising.

It is also worth noting that the Sun's radiance is measured from Earth orbit, and these records do not show it increasing over the past few decades, except with the regular rise and fall of the solar cycle. This second fact, you might think, should be enough to scupper the theory about system-wide solar warming on its own; strangely it is notably absent from accounts of the matter.

Moving on to the particulars, in the cases of Pluto and Triton, Neptune's largest moon, the observed warming is due to their current orientation to and distance from the Sun — technically known as summer.

Pluto was closest to the Sun in 1989 and is now moving away, but it is still relatively close. It's not that surprising for the greatest warmth to come a little after the closest approach, any more than it is for afternoons to be warmer than noons. And Triton's orbit is giving its southern hemisphere a particularly hot summer, boiling off frozen material from the southern pole and thickening the atmosphere, keeping in even more heat.

On Jupiter, things are a little different. The patterns of circulation seem to be changing, such that heat at the equator is stuck there, and higher latitudes are getting a little cooler.

On Mars, the warming seems to be down to dust blowing around and uncovering big patches of black basaltic rock that heat up in the day (see 'Mars hots up'). No change in sunshine required.

To take this disparate hodge-podge of phenomena and try to construct a theory of solar influence from it is the sort of foolishness people get driven to when desperate to support a failed theory, or just for a chance to muddy the waters.

But you wouldn't be aware of any of this because you don't consult actual scientific journals and sources to find about about global warming, do you?
At best you read dubiously-reported 'science news' article in the mass media, or stick strictly to the denialist websites and right-wing talk-radio,, right?
 
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Johnd

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I am forced to agree with you Clint. :rolleyes:

This very issue has come up before with certain members, but to no avail. :confused: It's a real turn off to read all that "stuff".

Hopefully, your kind and gentle tone will give them a cup of wake-up. Peace, and a good weekend to all.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
That is if those in charge of the information feel it is ok to let the general public know.:confused:
That too, but how long can it be kept secret? And, if they have live transmissions, even delayed ones, someone will be able to hack into it if scrambled. What would be a greater disaster for those in charge, the info or the cover up?
 
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tbewick

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Being a liberal leftist kook, I feel inclined to post a link to a paper on attributing climate change:

'Detecting and Attributing External Influences on the Climate System: A Review of Recent Advances'. The International Ad Hoc Detection and Attribution Group, 2004. Review article for the 'Journal of Climate'.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~nathan/pdf/idag.pdf

This paper was referred to in another paper by Hans von Storch and Nico Stehr, 'Anthropogenic Climate Change: A Reason for Concern Since the 18th Century and Earlier' [1].

William Connolley, a climate modeller at the British Antarctic Survey, runs a website which has more information on global cooling:

'I am interested in "Was an imminent Ice Age predicted in the '70's by scientists, in scientific journals?". That means articles in scientific journals and reputable books. I am not particularly interested in what appeared in the popular press or on TV and do not intend to discuss it here (but see context), since I do not regard these as reliable sources for scientific information...

The purpose of this page is to provide a counter to the mythology that "journals were stuffed full of articles predicting an imminent ice age in the '70's"...The relevance of this claim is that "greenhouse sceptics" are fond of claiming that "all scientists" were predicting cooling a decade ago and now they've switched to warming.'[2]

[1] http://w3k.gkss.de/staff/storch/pdf/geografiske-annaler-2006.pdf
[2] http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

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I hope the alarmist kooks don't go to mars, because Martian global warming is bound to scare them to death!

Which brings up a very good point, and that is Martian Global Warming. Now that mars has been studied at very close range for several years now, it is a known fact that mars is also experiencing the same global warming trends as found here on earth. While dopey Earthlings frantically wave their arms and warn of "man-made" global warming here on earth, just how do you think they will explain Martian global warming?

Do you think the Martian Global Warming and its shrinking polar caps could be related to the Earths current warming trend?? Why do dopey alarmist kooks ignore Martian warming? Do you think the idiots might put 2+2 together, and realize that global warming is NOT a man-made phenomenon?? In reality, the alarmists aren't that stupid, which is why they choose to ignore Martian warming all together. That's why they also ignore all geologic facts/history that rubs against the grain of their leftist policymaking agenda.
Sure! Now you've ruined Christmas, too. :mad: ;)
 

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jonnythan

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Do you think the Martian Global Warming and its shrinking polar caps could be related to the Earths current warming trend?? Why do dopey alarmist kooks ignore Martian warming?
You accept the data that shows *Mars* is warming, but reject the data that shows the Earth is warming?

Holy cow. You clearly have no clue whatsoever where the "Mars is warming" data comes from. That's not an accepted fact, it's a very vague hypothesis based on mere fractions of a shred of data.
 
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Joe Schmoe

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I do have an idea though, since this world is so messed up, we (the right) will stay here and finish it off.:D
I keep hoping that the so-called "rapture" will come along and at least remove the religious right (though I am sure some right wingers will remain behind.)
 
stratman

stratman

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So now we're getting into religion???:) That's quite a tangent from GW.
 
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Joe Schmoe

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Not such a big jump, really. The line between religion and politics has become dangerously thin lately, especially on the republican/fundamentalist side of things. Also, irrational denial of global warming reminds me a lot of irrational denial of evolution, and probably shares some of the same motivation.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Also, irrational denial of global warming reminds me a lot of irrational denial of evolution, and probably shares some of the same motivation.

GW denial is driven by economics and cost to businesses. So, while the same type may be involved in both, I think it is for different reasons though.
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

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I think, Stratman, that we all wonder where you stand on the Intelligent Design vs Evolution debate?!
 
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