Now, for the next 12v trigger question...

[Adam]

All,

Hey. I have a Pioneer VSX-1015TX. I got an Emotiva RPA-1 last month, and I'd like to use the trigger input to power it on and off, but I don't think that my receiver has a 12v trigger output. However, I was wondering if anyone here might be able to tell me if it actually has something that I could use for a trigger. Right now, I'm using the signal setting to turn on the RPA-1, but sometimes I need to turn up the volume on the receiver initially to get the signal high enough to turn it on. I'd rather not have to do that.

You can look at the owners manual here.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Adam

 

[MDS]

You can buy a relay that takes a 120V input and outputs 12V (at whatever amperage level) to use as a trigger.

I think a better solution though is to use a power conditioner that has a 12V trigger output. Don't you have a Belkin power conditioner with that capability? Even if it doesn't have a 12V trigger outlet, you can achieve the same result if it has 'delayed turn on' outlets.

 

[Adam]

Thanks, MDS. You have a mind like a steel trap, remembering that I have a Belkin!

I was all ready to say "unfortunately the Belkin doesn't let me do that...", but then I started reading through the manual again. There is an AC trigger on that thing, which I originally assumed required a special trigger on the receiver. Turns out, it doesn't! It just requires a switched outlet on the receiver, which I'm about to check if it has. The Belkin even came with a cable for it. The only issue is that all of the switched outlets on the Belkin will run off of the receiver, but I might be okay with that.

Thanks, again!

 

[BMXTRIX]

Your A/V receiver has a standard 120v output on the back which is switched on/off when the receiver turns on/off. You can get a basic 12v wall wart (power supply) at your local Radio Shack for a few bucks, or steal it off an old toy in the house, plug it into that and run it to the device you want powered on with your receiver.

If this is the goal, then that would be the most reliable way and should work very well.

 

[Adam]

BMXTRIX, that's freaking genious! That never occurred to me at all. I know that I had one of those. I just hope that I didn't throw it away, but that's amazingly unlikely as I have just about everything that I've ever gotten.

Thanks! I've got two great ideas to run with, now. This is looking really good.

 

[Haoleb]

If you dont have one around the house, and theres a thrift shop nearby you may want to go there and grab one, All the ones around here have a bin full of power adapters. Its much cheaper than the radioshack route.

 

[mike c]

here's what I did with mine

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25776&highlight=12v+trigger

 

[mtrycrafts]

Thanks, MDS. You have a mind like a steel trap, remembering that I have a Belkin!

I was all ready to say "unfortunately the Belkin doesn't let me do that...", but then I started reading through the manual again. There is an AC trigger on that thing, which I originally assumed required a special trigger on the receiver. Turns out, it doesn't! It just requires a switched outlet on the receiver, which I'm about to check if it has. The Belkin even came with a cable for it. The only issue is that all of the switched outlets on the Belkin will run off of the receiver, but I might be okay with that.

Thanks, again!

Be careful with that setup. If the amp will be powered from a switched receiver power outlet, check the power rating on that switched outlet on the receiver. It may, most likely, not Handel the demand of an amp. Unless, the the Belkin is just drawing power from the receiver switched outlet to power the relay in the Belkin, then the amp power is to the wall, not the receiver.

 

[Adam]

Be careful with that setup. If the amp will be powered from a switched receiver power outlet, check the power rating on that switched outlet on the receiver. It may, most likely, not Handel the demand of an amp. Unless, the the Belkin is just drawing power from the receiver switched outlet to power the relay in the Belkin, then the amp power is to the wall, not the receiver.

Thanks, mtrycrafts. The receiver's switched outlet would be connected to the AC trigger on the Belkin. The amp would be plugged into one of the switched outlets in the Belkin. So, there should be no worries at all.

 

[Adam]

Well, I tried using the Belkin power console to handle it - no joy. Unfortunately, once power is removed from the RPA-1, the front power button needs to be pressed to turn it back on. So, that's not the solution. Now, it's time to search through my bin of electronics to see if I can find that transformer (and hope that it has a 12v setting).

 

[mtrycrafts]

Well, I tried using the Belkin power console to handle it - no joy. Unfortunately, once power is removed from the RPA-1, the front power button needs to be pressed to turn it back on. So, that's not the solution. Now, it's time to search through my bin of electronics to see if I can find that transformer (and hope that it has a 12v setting).

I don't think the transformer will work either. Since the on/off button works as you suggested, it must have a standby trickle to it to turn the amp on and off. When you remove the power, the button de-energizes into the off position. When you supply the AC, it is still off. I have a Cd player that does the other way, when there is a power failure and it comes back on, the player is on and playing.
You may have to get another amp that has the 12V designed into it as an on/off switch.

 

[MDS]

Adam,
Sounds like a perfect excuse to upgrade to one of the new Onkyos you were considering.

 

[avaserfi]

Adam,
Sounds like a perfect excuse to upgrade to one of the new Onkyos you were considering.

And people say heroin is bad...once you get in this hobby there is no better drug . Watch out Adam, this is exactly what they did to me in my subwoofer cal thread and I ended up with an SMS-1, its so horrible!

 

[Adam]

Adam,
Sounds like a perfect excuse to upgrade to one of the new Onkyos you were considering.

We have a winner! The perfect post, if there ever was one. Now, if only the 805 wasn't out of stock just about everywhere...

 

[Adam]

I don't think the transformer will work either. Since the on/off button works as you suggested, it must have a standby trickle to it to turn the amp on and off. When you remove the power, the button de-energizes into the off position. When you supply the AC, it is still off. I have a Cd player that does the other way, when there is a power failure and it comes back on, the player is on and playing.
You may have to get another amp that has the 12V designed into it as an on/off switch.

The transformer (and perhaps I'm using the wrong term...it's what BMXTRIX and mike were talking about) would be used to send a 12V trigger to the RPA-1 directly from the receiver, so it won't ever have the power completely removed by the Belkin. I'll leave all of the remote sensing disabled on the Belkin and just use it as a power strip like I had it before. So, hopefully that will work...assuming that the transformer (or whatever) will actually fit in the switched outlet on my receiver.

To be honest, the way that I had it is looking more and more acceptable.

 

[Adam]

And people say heroin is bad...once you get in this hobby there is no better drug . Watch out Adam, this is exactly what they did to me in my subwoofer cal thread and I ended up with an SMS-1, its so horrible!

Oh, come on now. You know you wanted that SMS-1...you just needed some e-pressure to put you over the edge. Speaking of which, that SMS-1 is tempting. However, my new Ultra has a single band PEQ and some other tuning features, so I think it'll do for now.

Hmmm. Another beer or search for that transformer. Beer...transformer. Okay, both!

 

[avaserfi]

Oh, come on now. You know you wanted that SMS-1...you just needed some e-pressure to put you over the edge. Speaking of which, that SMS-1 is tempting. However, my new Ultra has a single band PEQ and some other tuning features, so I think it'll do for now.

Hmmm. Another beer or search for that transformer. Beer...transformer. Okay, both!

Don't worry I am not complaining . Just be ready to get that new receiver and then realize that something else needs to be upgraded!!

I have realized it and am saving for my next step!

 

[Adam]

Well, I found the transformer, and it does have a 12v setting. Woohoo! The end of the cord had already been stripped as well, so I have the two bare wires that I need for the RPA-1.

I think that I'll wait until tomorrow to give it a try. First, I need to cut a hole in the back panel of my entertainment center to have any chance to plug it into my receiver. Second, the fingers on my left hand have this persistant ache at the moment. Why? Well, the Belkin's power outlets are on the back panel...so, I use touch to figure out where I need to plug things in. Well, I was transferring a plug and didn't quite get one of my fingers off of one of the metal prongs before it entered the socket. Zzzztttt. A "nice" little jolt. Not the first time, but still not one of my favorite experiences. So, I'm going to take a break tonight and just enjoy a final beer.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

This should work. As I have talked to a couple of people who have done it this way but I would still upgrade to the Onk

The transformer (and perhaps I'm using the wrong term...it's what BMXTRIX and mike were talking about) would be used to send a 12V trigger to the RPA-1 directly from the receiver, so it won't ever have the power completely removed by the Belkin. I'll leave all of the remote sensing disabled on the Belkin and just use it as a power strip like I had it before. So, hopefully that will work...assuming that the transformer (or whatever) will actually fit in the switched outlet on my receiver.

To be honest, the way that I had it is looking more and more acceptable.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The transformer (and perhaps I'm using the wrong term...it's what BMXTRIX and mike were talking about) would be used to send a 12V trigger to the RPA-1 directly from the receiver, so it won't ever have the power completely removed by the Belkin. I'll leave all of the remote sensing disabled on the Belkin and just use it as a power strip like I had it before. So, hopefully that will work...assuming that the transformer (or whatever) will actually fit in the switched outlet on my receiver.

To be honest, the way that I had it is looking more and more acceptable.

Too many posts and got lost.

So it is your receiver without the 12V trigger.
Yes, the transformer as suggested will indeed work from that switched outlet