Best 1-2K sub for HT and music

R

romass

Audiophyte
I do not see it on the list but here is the latest Nousaine list for reference. I vote for my sub as the best bang for the buck under $2000, and probably the least mentioned.



Wow...what a list. Does this guy have a job? If this is it, maybe he needs an assistant? Thanks for the link!
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
I do not see it on the list but here is the latest Nousaine list for reference. I vote for my sub as the best bang for the buck under $2000, and probably the least mentioned.

Nousaine Subwoofer Shootout
Hmmm. I didn't carefully evaluate his entire list. Nor do I know much about his methodology or actual conditions of these "corrected" (??) figures. But come on...an Hsu VTF-2 outperforming an Hsu VTF-3MkIII Turbo??!! :confused:

Somebody, please 'splain this to me.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
I don't know much about that list, but I will say that my experience with my B&W ASW1000 is not in agreement with the listed results. He has it it down about 10dB at 25Hz compared to the 25-62Hz average, which is not what I've seen. In my measurements in my room, my sub at 25Hz is at the average (so down 0dB). So, just keep in mind that results will vary in your actual room - as everyone here probably already knows.
 
W

westcott

Audioholic General
Tom Nousiane is a well respected bassaholic who reviews equipment for Sound and Vision Magazine. You can find almost all of these subs that are on this list on Sound and Vision scattered throughout their equipment reviews. This is just a compilation of those subwoofer reviews over the years in one place. His methodology and equipment used are top notch. The nice thing about the list is that all of them are tested under the same conditions (read as same room), unlike most reviews of subwoofers\speakers. So, although they may not reflect your room performance, it does provide a level playing field to compare products. A BASSE line, if you will!!!!!:p

What you will find, or not find, depending on your point of view in a lot of subwoofer reviews is a limit to the amount of distortion that is allowed while publishing subwoofer frequency curves. I do not intentially want to burst a lot of peoples bubbles but the limit of allowable distortion in these tests conducted by Nouisaine will answer many peoples questions as to why some of these subs are ranked the way they are.

I know this will stir the pot and a lot of people will not be happy with some of the results but do not question Mr. Nousaines approach or methods. They are beyond reproach and if you do a search on his name, you will find many manufacturers that discuss the results with respect and complete appreciation with him openly and without question.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
Tom Nousiane is a well respected bassaholic who reviews equipment for Sound and Vision Magazine. You can find almost all of these subs that are on this list on Sound and Vision scattered throughout their equipment reviews. This is just a compilation of those subwoofer reviews over the years in one place. His methodology and equipment used are top notch. The nice thing about the list is that all of them are tested under the same conditions (read as same room), unlike most reviews of subwoofers\speakers. So, although they may not reflect your room performance, it does provide a level playing field to compare products. A BASSE line, if you will!!!!!:p

What you will find, or not find, depending on your point of view in a lot of subwoofer reviews is a limit to the amount of distortion that is allowed while publishing subwoofer frequency curves. I do not intentially want to burst a lot of peoples bubbles but the limit of allowable distortion in these tests conducted by Nouisaine will answer many peoples questions as to why some of these subs are ranked the way they are.

I know this will stir the pot and a lot of people will not be happy with some of the results but do not question Mr. Nousaines approach or methods. They are beyond reproach and if you do a search on his name, you will find many manufacturers that discuss the results with respect and complete appreciation with him openly and without question.
Tom's name is well known. He has a good reputation for sound studies. But he is human, too. Mistakes can happen even to him. Typos can occur. And I may be all wet, here, in fact. But I don't see where this compilation was done using constant controls, protocol, room, and equipment, as you suggest. Perhaps there is more to the link than just this list? It would be helpful to have that information. One problem I have with the list is that all measurements were apparently done in room, with corner loading. I'm not sure I trust those kinds of figures when anechoic measurements are much more accurate and are de rigueur.

I'd love for someone else to comment here, for I am no expert. I didn't even look at that list in detail because I simply don't believe the one item I studied. Peter Marcks of Hsu frequents this forum...perhaps he'll note this thread and comment about the distortion/output numbers of the VTF-2 vs. the VTF-3MkIII Turbo. Alternatively, I'll make an effort to reach him at the Hsu forum.

Let's just leave it at ... a LOT of people will be very surprised if the mentioned comparison/evaluation of Hsu subs is accurate. And if that part is indeed incorrect (I'm not saying with any certainty that it is), much more information would be needed to further evaluate the "ranking".

This list doesn't make me happy or unhappy. I just like to confirm what I'm looking at and whether it's accurate.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Back to the OP's question, I'll just like to throw out the SVS PC13-Ultra. Basically the same as the PB13-Ultra but in a different form factor. I recently got one, and I'm quite happy with the performance. The cylinder has a smaller footprint than the box is quite a bit lighter in weight. It is quite a bit taller than the box, though, at around 4' tall.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
i agree with tomorrow, while i am very appreciative of TN's efforts. the results goes against KNOWN facts. it is most likely caused by the DIFFERENT reactions of DIFFERENT subs to his room.

a change in location by a few inches; different sizes of the subwoofer; etc. will all react with the room and in effect makes the results UNCOMPARABLE to EACH other, but no less reliable on their own.
 
BobMac

BobMac

Enthusiast
SVS Ultra

Having owned SVS Ultras, Plus/2s, and Hsus in the past, I can say my favorite was the the SVS Ultras. The Ultras had the most impact and best sound quality. Get the new Ultra and be done with it. You won't regret it.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Spending that kind of money, Both the SVS Ultra13 and the Paradigm Servo 15 are amazing subs... Or if your handy, you can go the DIY route, save some money and have better then those 2 subs with a little Research and effort, for much cheaper.
I own 2 SVS subs, great bang for the buck, now Im heading into the DIY arena for better Bang for your Buck

Links to a couple of DIY sites...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=155
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/diy-subwoofers/

Good luck...
 
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dobyblue

dobyblue

Senior Audioholic
Spending that kind of money, Both the SVS Ultra13 and the Paradigm Servo 15 are amazing subs... .
Agreed - you cannot go wrong with either of those.

Has anyone checked out the new Kef 209 sub? Looks pretty sweet and right around the same performance as the Servo 15v2 for bass extension and frequency response.
http://www.kef.com/products/reference06/GLOBAL/productRange_209/default.aspx

Frequency response at 15˚ horizontally off axis ±3 dB 15 Hz - 250 Hz
Bass Extension -6 dB 12 Hz
Amplifier 1000 W built in
 
K

kenhoeve

Audioholic
can anyone comment on the musicality of the SVS vs. the Velodyne DD or SPL?

One reason I've stuck with Velodyne is I'm blown away at how musical it is. The sound is just so accurate whenever I listen to some other system I'm disappointed.

If the SVS is comparable then it seems there is no question it is the primary contender!
 
W

westcott

Audioholic General
can anyone comment on the musicality of the SVS vs. the Velodyne DD or SPL?

One reason I've stuck with Velodyne is I'm blown away at how musical it is. The sound is just so accurate whenever I listen to some other system I'm disappointed.

If the SVS is comparable then it seems there is no question it is the primary contender!
IMO, there is no comparison. Stick with the Velodyne DD. You get what you pay for.
 

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