PC-Ultra: Just looking for some reassurance...

Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
All,

Yeah, I'm going to sound like a little kid..."Am I doing the right thing? Am I? Am I?"

I have an SVS PC-Ultra on preorder. It'll be $1400 after shipping, and I won't get it until July. I waited for months for the new Ultras to be announced, and a couple more months to get on the list for one. However...once I noticed that the new PC-Ultra is the same size as the 16-46 PC-Plus, I started looking more at that model. The Plus would be $400 less, weigh 20 pounds less, get to me much faster, and the frequency response looks darn good on it. I have zero personal experience with SVS products, so I have no idea about the improvement from the Plus line to the Ultra line.

I figure that I'll stick with the Ultra, as I know that I'll always wonder if I should have gotten it if I don't. However, I'd sure appreciate it if those of you who do know the difference between the Pluses and Ultras could chime in with your thoughts.

Thanks!

Adam

I recommend contacting SVS and asking them if they are going to come out with a new CS-Ultra (the unpowered version of what you are considering), and if so, buy that instead. There are several reasons for this:


First of all, you don't have the amplifier being so vibrated as one that is built into the cabinet, so the amplifier is less likely to fail. Second, if the amp ever does fail, it is much easier to replace if it is not built in. Third, you can select whatever power you want with it. Fourth, if you have an old amplifier (in a receiver or whatever) that can handle a 4 ohm speaker, you don't have to buy a new amplifier at all. The SVS subwoofers are fairly efficient, and you may be surprised by how much bass you can get from a low powered amp. Remember, it takes a doubling of power to get just a 3 dB increase in volume, so if you had half the power of the installed amp, you would only lose 3 dB in possible volume (forgetting about peaks for a moment, which may mean you are less likely to miss anything, as you are unlikely to be constantly driving the woofer at maximum power), and you lose only 6 dB of maximum volume if you have only 1/4 of the power of the built in amp, and you lose only 9 dB of maximum volume if you have only 1/8 of the power of the built in amp. So even if your extra amplifier is not very high powered, you can still get good results.

Also, if you are using the subwoofer with a Dolby Digital surround system, your receiver/preamp/processor has a dedicated subwoofer output that deals with the crossover for you, so paying for a crossover built into the subwoofer is a waste of your money. So all you need is a power amp with a passive sub.

Also, many people experience difficulties with "automatic on" subwoofers. Those stupid auto signal sensing things are not a good idea, as it must turn on only AFTER the music starts. And then they shut off if the music is quiet for an extended period (or with a subwoofer only signal, if there is no deep bass for a while).

The solution to the problem is to buy unpowered subwoofers, use a separate power amp, and an automatic switched outlet strip, such as:

http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Sma...pecifications/

where one plugs in one's receiver or preamp into the "control outlet", and the subwoofer power amp into one of the automatically switching outlets. It works great. I know, I am using one of these strips with the power amp for my SVS CS-Ultra subwoofers.

With the setup I suggest, it turns on as soon as the receiver or preamp turns on, and turns off only when the receiver or preamp is shut off. So it does exactly what it should do, unlike those stupid signal sensing automatic on circuits.

I do not plan on ever getting another subwoofer with a built in amp. In my opinion, it is just asking for trouble.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks, Pyrrho. Good info for others, but if you'll check yesterday's posts, you'll see that my unit has already shipped.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks, Pyrrho. Good info for others, but if you'll check yesterday's posts, you'll see that my unit has already shipped.
Oops! Sorry! I expect you will be very happy with your new sub. I would be very interested in a comparison between new Ultras (like yours) with the old Ultras (which is what I have), though it would be purely academic for me, as I am satisfied with the performance of my two old Ultras. SVS claims the new one is much better, and I know the old ones are great, so I doubt you will be dissatisfied. If SVS stays in business my whole life, and keeps their quality to price ratio as it is, I don't think I will ever buy another brand of subwoofer. (Actually, I don't plan on upgrading ever from where I am, but one never knows....)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Got my Ultra today! If someone tells you that an SVS cylinder is not small...they aren't kidding. :D

I'll be posting more pics later on this week, but here are some for you all. I thought that you all might like to see what the amp really looks like, versus the CAD rendering on the SVS website.

Ultra Finally Out of the Packaging


Amplifier Faceplate


Ultra and ASW1000


Have a good night.

Adam
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
no pics of the driver?! :) only if you have time.
Heh, heh. Never gonna happen, my friend. I'm not going to lean that on its side and take the bottom off. I was nervous enough just taking it out of the box! :D

Yes, I am ashamed of myself. :eek:
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
hehe. :) lie it down on your bed?!

that'd be a nice sight ... wife coming home to see you lay the ultra on the bed, port grills of ... :eek:

that's ok, thanks for sharing the other pics. :D
 
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Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Well congrats.... Now to hear the guts of it....

Tell us how the sound qualtiy is... hows the BASS my good man....

Warp
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Well congrats.... Now to hear the guts of it....

Tell us how the sound qualtiy is... hows the BASS my good man....

Warp
Warp, I'll try to set up the PEQ and room compensation tonight. So far, though, it doesn't seem much different than my B&W. Don't get me wrong...it brought a huge smile to my face when I was playing a 16Hz test tone and it actually registered on the SPL meter. :) However, I popped in a few movie scenes last night, and those seem to have the same impact as my original sub. Like I said, though, I'm going to play with it some more!

EDIT: The sound quality is great, BTW. I'm just hoping that it will end up being better than my B&W when it's all said and done.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
Can't wait to hear your review.... now you can change your sig line.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I was really hoping to hear more about gut wrenching, and a much stronger and cleaner presence...

Hoping more people chime in with their results...

At this point, Im glad I ordered my Dual 15" TC-2000's

They will be here today... 50lbs each... :)
 
BobMac

BobMac

Enthusiast
Reassurance

I've owned a pair of PC-Ultra subs (the older ones with metal drivers). They sounded great. I have a large room, and they sometimes ran out of woof, so I "upgraded" to a pair of Plus/2s. While they did give me the extra output I needed, I gave up sound quality and deep bass.

I know you'll be happy with them.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I don't see how you would give up sound quality and deep bass with a pair of plus/2's... your room must be HUGE.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Well, I finally got a chance yesterday to set some things up on the sub, such as the parametric equalizer, room compensation, and a different tuning. The result is that the frequency response is a lot flatter than it was, and I think that it sounds really good. Those three options (PEQ, room comp, tuning) are excellent features. I have it tuned to 15 Hz, but it can go even lower.

Almost surely a result of my listening levels, I just don't get that "punched in the chest" feeling from anything that I've watched so far. So, no gut wrenching, Warp. HOWEVER, it does sound a lot cleaner and more refined. I'm quite happy. Also, I have no doubts that I could achieve gut wrenching if I turned up the volume on the sub. No doubts. That thing trawls the depths, unlike my B&W. I'm sure that I could have gotten a flatter response with my B&W if I would have purchased an outboard box (like the SMS-1), but I'm much happier that I put that money (and some more) towards this bad boy. Now, I can put my B&W in my computer room that is only 10x10, and it will rock that small space.

BobMac, you had a pair of them? You lucky, lucky man. And they weren't enough? Wow, that must have been a big room! My brother jokes that I should get a second one, but I just can't justify it. It sure would look cool, though. :D

Some of you may have seen in other threads that I'm getting this PC-Ultra replaced because (a) there was some minor damage during shipping and (b) the amp is doing things that I didn't expect and that sounded peculiar to SVS when I explained them. So, in theory, I could have two hooked up at once...but it's never going to happen. I want to have this thing in a box and ready for the UPS driver to pick up when they bring the next one. Mainly because I want it to get back to SVS as soon as possible because of how great they've treated me, but also because I don't relish the idea of lugging a 105lb box to the shipping place!
 
M

movieguy22

Audiophyte
Nobody else received their Ultra? Was counting on some more reviews to help make my decision.
 
B

BabelFish

Full Audioholic
Yeah... I am still waiting on my PB13 but would love to hear from the PC13 people.. Where are you all at??? :confused:
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Well, still me...so no new reviewers, but I have something to add. I was watching the opening scene of The Rundown last night, particulary the scene in the bar when the music cranks up right before the action starts. I wasn't overly impressed, but I was listening at a fairly low level. So, I turned up the volume. Hmmm, hard to describe the joy. That Ultra just pumped out deep, clean bass. Great stuff. I watched the scene a couple more times. Actually, I think I'm about to go watch once more before work.

If I remember, I'll post some frequency response curves tonight. I'm very happy with how low it goes.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Yeah... I am still waiting on my PB13 but would love to hear from the PC13 people.. Where are you all at??? :confused:
Hometheaterspot.com, and hometheatershack.com has some reviews from new owners
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
That is the foam from the box it shipped in, to decouple it from the floor...

I just grabbed some fabric to cover it, otherwise its white foam...

My wood floors really transmit a vibration to the house... Funny enough, I did a FR sweep with them off of the foam, and I had a huge peak at the 40-50 hz range just from the floor passing on the hum.... weird...
 

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