I think you guys would shudder if you knew…

abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
…how I have been using my home theater purchases over the last 6 months. My sig contains all my stuff, but what it doesn’t say is that it contains ALL my stuff. The TV has no tuner and I am not using an external tuner, so the only things I have seen/heard on the setup I have put into the oppo.

Anyway….

We are looking at houses and I always check out the basement for 2 things:
A good home theater room; and,
An adjacent room to the HT for an infinite baffle sub enclosure.

So here is my q.

Can the oppo 970 directly connect to active speakers? Both the speakers and the player have volume controls so I think it should work. (the 970 has 5.1 outs)

Once we get the house we have been talking about putting the current setup in the bedroom, and building something cool in the basement for the HT.

Probably the oppo connected to an LCD or projector, and directly connected to a pair of Mackie 824s and of course the IB sub.

Budget ~3k

LCD/projector ~$1,000 (probably buy used)
Infinite baffle sub ~$1,000
pair of HR824s ~$1,200
with plans to build it out to 5.1 over time

So, can it be connected like that? or do I have to pony up for a receiver.
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
My wife and I have no cable, internet or landline, just bberrys provided by our employers. I sit in front of a computer all day, the last thing I want to do at home is see one of those. We currently have bunny ears and a crapTV in the bedroom for TV before bed.

Our setup has been heaven for movies though. We do that blockbuster thing and we see 4+ movies a week with it. So this would be a DVDonly setup. And whats more is we would actually use it that way and think it was great.

Thanks for the replies!
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
So, can it be connected like that? or do I have to pony up for a receiver.
I think you need a receiver or some other way to properly decode Dolby digital and DTS surround sound, not to mention the newer audio formats that come with Blue Ray or HD-DVD.

If you are using the 2-channel audio output jacks from the Oppo, you are missing a noticeable improvement in sound quality. This is true if you are using two speakers or many.

How well do the rabbit ears work where you live? If reception is decent, use a set on your HDTV and get the local HD broadcasts which sometimes include sound in Dolby digital 5.1 channel.

EDIT: I missed the part where you mentioned that your HDTV has no tuner. Nevermind about the rabbit ears.
 
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abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
They claim to have a decoder built in. Does it suck?

Optimized Audio Features:

  • Optimized analog audio circuitry for great audio quality
  • Built-in Dolby Digital decoder with individual 5.1ch and down-mixed stereo outputs
  • Optical and coaxial digital audio outputs for Dolby Digital, DTS and Linear PCM
  • Unique "Audio Only" mode with video processing turned off for perfect acoustic fidelity
  • 3D Surround (Virtual Surround): Concert, Live, Dance, Techno, Classic, Soft
  • Built-in equalizer, channel trim and channel delay functions

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv970hd/dv970hd.html
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
How well do the rabbit ears work where you live? If reception is decent, use a set on your HDTV and get the local HD broadcasts which sometimes include sound in Dolby digital 5.1 channel.
Good, its a downtown Minneapolis appartment, so there are good HD channels. I would need an external HD tuner though as the 342 is an HD monitor.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I couldn't say whether the DD decoder in the Oppo sucks, but it does not seem to be able to decode DTS, which usually sounds a bit better that Dolby. The standard wisdom about decoders that come with DVD players is that they were meant for people who did not have a HT system and hooked them directly up to a TV set. As such, they were of less quality. I do not know for a fact if this is true.

The way that most people handle this is to send DVD or CD digital signals from a DVD player directly to a HT receiver that contains all the necessary decoding chips. It only requires a single cable. The receiver does all the decoding and handles bass management as well. You don't have a subwoofer so you haven't run into those issues yet. Believe me, it is probably the most convenient way, although I admit it is the only way I've done it. Decent HT receivers are probably the easiest item to buy for HT, for as little as $300-$400.

If you live in a city like Minneapolis there are probably lots of HD channels broadcast over the air. Any antenna that can receive channels 7-69 will do the job for digital over the air TV. If you have only seen standard DVD pictures on your new set, you will see a very big improvement when you see HD pictures in 720p resolution. After you move to a house, look to get a new HDTV or projector with a tuner and hook-up an antenna.
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

Senior Audioholic
…So, can it be connected like that? or do I have to pony up for a receiver.
Hi abefroeman,

I'm pretty sure you can connect it like that. The Oppo's 5.1 analog outputs are looking to feed an amp or preamp, and once you have everything adjusted level-wise, you should be fine.

As Swerd discussed, I would also suggest a receiver for greater flexibility, DTS decoding and other features that are likely not included in the Oppo. It looks like you're putting together a decent system; I think you could drop $500 for a receiver. You can probably squeeze the IB price down if need be...
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
Hi, Abe. You don't mention why you are so keen to avoid a HT receiver? Is it a budget thing? They are really inexpensive these days. I bought a spare receiver,and am using it right now as my pre pro is in the shop :mad:. The spare is a Denon 1801 and I got it used on ebay for $100 delivered! Sure it's old technology, but it works just fine.
Also, my TV is HDready, and has no internal tuner. Once again, the used market is full of set top tuners, and the prices are cheap as more hdtvs flood the market. The LG set top tuners are nice. I have a 4200 and it pulls in over the air hd signals just fine, and also will decode the digital cable signals if I want to pay for that. The 3200 model is good too. Avoid the 4600.
Samsungs are good too. The model 351 and 451 are good units for hdtv tuning.

Get a receiver! Not only will the sound quality increase, you will gain an fm tuner, as well as making your Oppo a cd player, too. :)
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
Hi, Abe. You don't mention why you are so keen to avoid a HT receiver?
Good question. Lots of reasons:

Partly because I like to keep it simple.
Partly for budget.
I don't like to buy things just because I am supposed to. If I am going to spend money, I want to hear it or see it.
The HT will most likely be 2 channel during construction of the sub (which may take a while, we both work a lot, and have not bought the house yet). Then 2.1 for a number of years before going 5.1. I dont want to have an expensive 5.1+ pre/pro at that point when I could just have a center channel, or an HD player that does decode DTS (I think the LG super blu decodes all formats and has 5.1 outputs, right?)

I admit that I am giving up a lot of flexibility, like the ability run anything else through the system. But at this point in our lives (no kids, working a lot) we just want to watch movies without having to go the theater. Movies and bars are our entertainment.

So my point here is that $400 on a receiver(pre/pro) is the last $400 that I want to spend on the HT. I will probably end up with one, but it will be after we are 5.1 and we want to add somthing to the HT. Not sure what that would be, maybe cable.


So, I am glad to hear it would work in theory. I will post a thread on here when we get a house and start working on all this.
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
Actually, it does look like those HD tuners are only $100 bucks, I might have to break down and buy one. We will see.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I understand you want to keep things simple by using active monitors and I also understand being budget minded. But, if you get active monitors and skip the receiver you are going to make things more difficult for yourself, probably increase your costs, and decrease your upgrade ability.

Reasons you should not opt for Active speakers.

1.) They tend to be expensive, better performance could be achieved by using a similarly constructed and engineered passive speaker at a lower price.

2.) Each set of active speakers will have independant variable gain control, so you would need to adjust the volume of each set seperate from another set if you decide to do surround sound.

3.) Most, especially for the budget minded, active speakers must have the gain adjusted manually on the speakers. You wouldn't be able to adjust the volume from the comfort of your couch are chair.

4.) Connecting a subwoofer will be very frustrating. The subwoofer level will have to be independently adjusted from the active monitors. Level matching will be near impossible to do by ear. (Believe me, it would be more than frustrating, almost as bad as having to adjust two seperate sets of active speakers.

5.) To my knowledge there aren't many completely active center channels, and I would guess they would be expensive if they have them.

6.) No DTS or bass management. (DTS is technically a superior format to Dolby Digital on paper, but in most conditions they are near the same in real performance and depending on the transfer DTS could be worse than DTS or visa versa)

Reasons to get a receiver-

1.) Upgrade ability, you can connect more components to the receiver in the future if it is needed.

2.) Bass management. It allows you to set the speakers to small and relieve the pressure off the receiver if a subwoofer is connected. In this case we would use the internal x-over in the receiver and by-pass the x-over in the subwoofer.

3.) Various processing modes from Dolby Pro Logic IIx, DTS-Neo:6, and the custom processing of the receiver you choose.

4.) As mentioned before, traditional HT speakers are less expensive for their quality.

I hope this helps in your decision. (It also weighs in favor you already have one pair of passive speakers. If you finish getting the rest of the speakers that are timbre matched with your current speakers)
 
davidtwotrees

davidtwotrees

Audioholic General
I was hoping, perhaps, that you could review them for us.......:D
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
HT Speakers

I think you are really narrowing your HT speaker options by limiting them to active monitors. You can find Yamaha receiver in the $2-300 price range with plenty of analog and digital audio inputs and pre-amp outputs.

Besides, how do you plan to adjust the volume level when using the using the Oppo 970 directly to the monitors. Presumably, each monitor would have its own knob to adjust the amp on each speaker, but good luck balancing the levels on 3 or more speakers. You would also have issues if you wanted more than one audio source.

Concerning an ATSC tuner, I am using the one in my HTDV to pick up all the local stations in HD with a small in-room antenna. The PQ of the OTA signal is equal or better than what you can get on cable or satalite.
 
abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
The oppo 970 has 5.1 outs.

Gain can be controlled via the oppo's remote. (the volume of all speakers including sub would go up and down with one push of the remote)

In addition to gain control, the gain of each speaker including the subwoofer can be controlled independently +/- a few decibels.

You guys are right that a receiver (pre/pro) would be easier, and I will most likely get one. I just like to try it the cheap way first and if it doesn’t work then add a receiver. Its not hurting anything. Sometimes I have ideas that are a little out there, this is one of them. After reading through all the features of the oppo, and trying many of them out, I got the idea of skipping the receiver. It really performs many of the functions of a typical receiver.




It sounds like you guys are against active speakers. I would be interested in hearing what you think the benefits are, if any, to active speakers. I have my reasons for selecting them.

Regarding this comment: "They tend to be expensive, better performance could be achieved by using a similarly constructed and engineered passive speaker at a lower price." Which pair of passive speakers (including amplifier) would you say is 'better' than $1000/pair mackies?
 
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abefroeman

abefroeman

Audioholic
After re-reading seth's laundry list of problems, and comparing them to the oppo 970's specs, the following problems remain:

1) price (not sure I agree, I would like to hear what other people who have listened to mackie's think would be 'better' for the price)

2) center channel (I would prefer same speakers all around, although mackie does make a matching center channel for the 824)

3) No bass management. (yes, I would be giving up this)

4) processing modes. (yes, there would be fewer of these)

5) flexibility/upgradeability. (yes, I would be giving up this)

So there might be a few issues, but it would be fun to try it out until I get frustrated and grab a pre/pro.
 

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