LCD responce time

[dave1490]

hello i have been looking at lcd,s for year,s now and still havent found 1 that work,s like i want.been to all the hi-fi shop,s and allway,s notice{if up close}the reciever {Focusing}this seems very slow to me and has allways bothered me..is this just me or has it bother other,s.

 

[brushro]

LCD response times

Dave-I myself have been doing the window shopping thing (actually a waiting on price point drop thing) for an LCD...my "perfect world" set is the Sharp 46" unit...the most driving reason is the manufacturers spec of 4ms for response time.
Trying to talk w/ many folks about this specific specification seems to uncover that the difference between the Sharp & Panny,Mits,Tosh,Hitachi (I WILL NOT BUY A SONY FOR ANY REASON UNLESS IT'S FREE) is SOME WHAT LIKE the differing (high) contrast ratio numbers that are so seemingly tossed about (search for the posts on this forum about "voodoo" specifications and contrast ratio's)
The Sharp spec is 4ms vs. most other sets being 6ms-8ms...my thinking is that for my viewing of sports...this is where it would be most noticed...I have a 3 year old Mits HD (1080i) set & the pixelation does show itself..now what a good calibration would do to help/assist it, I don't know (if at all).
I've talked with the tech people at "onecall.com" (a very highly knowledgable & respected internet sight) & they seem to think w/ todays technology unless your really picky that the small difference in the 4-6ms range may very well not be a factor...but another factor in my focusing on the Sharp unit is that the screen size is what fits my dimension desires (as long as I'm spending that kind of money I want the biggest screen I can squeeze in the space I have available)...PLUS after watching the pricing & sales from B.B-C.C-Sears & Onecall.com,Sharp seems to have the the more aggressive downward pricing strategy...I'm just (pre) sold on the Sharp product until it can be proved other wise that the other manufacturers have a superior product at a price point I can handle when the wall mount,delivery,financing,set up & installation are all taken into consideration.
I do hope this helps...it's only my 2 cents....Keep up the research...BEST OF LUCK!

 

[MDS]

I too have been looking at the Sharp LCDs. My arbitrary self-imposed price limit for a flat panel LCD is $3K. The 46" is well below that now and the 52" was $3500 at Crutchfield the last time I checked (It was $4K in December). Crutchfield usually sells everything at MSRP but they have the lowest price I've seen so far (from a reputable dealer) and offer free shipping and setup.

Now about that response time: 4ms is the response time when their 'fine motion' feature is turned on; at all other times it is closer to 8 ms. I agree that 8 ms or less is very good unless you are incredibly picky. FWIW, I haven't noticed any streaking or pixelation when viewing sports on any of the Sharps in the store but that may or may not hold when you actually get it home.

You have to look deeper than the advertised specs on any of these types of TVs. For example Sharp claims a 10,000:1 contrast ratio in the short advertising blurb. If you download the manual you find out that the actual contrast ratio is 2,000:1 and with another feature they call 'dynamic contrast' it is 10,000:1. So they have some kind of special processing that they claim improves contrast ratio. All that really matters is whether or not it looks good and the only real way to be sure of that is to get it home and try it.

 

[brushro]

LCD display response times

MDS-You are so right!!!-thank you for adding in the "fine motion" function!-I also saw that in their literature & I've just finished firing off an email to they're tech support asking about this feature,and as I shared previously the Sharp unit(s) as long as I have been pricing them have been consistently lower at the "Big 3" (B.B-C.C. & Sears) in my shopping area.
Once again-best of luck to all for finding the right set for all they're needs...stay on top of the Audioholic web site & you can't go wrong!

 

[RLA]

Hey Guys,

My CES coverage of Sharp may interest you. All current LCD panels are 60Hz

After viewing the new 8th generation D82U and D92U 1080p LCD HDTV’s from Sharp, all doubt was removed from our minds that we had just seen the best image from an LCD HDTV at the 2007 CES. The 120 Hz frame rate conversion and contrast ratio of 10,000:1 for D82U and 15,000:1 for the D92U looked stunning. Detail, color, black level, and the overall image looked absolutely gorgeous. The new 120 Hz panel and fast 4-millisecond response time made fast motion content look fluid and natural. The D82 series will be available in 52-inch and 46-inch screen sizes and will have a sleek piano black cabinet and bottom mounted speakers. The new LCD HDTV’s will feature Multi-Pixel Technology, which divides each pixel into two sections and adds advanced driving system to provide 60 percent improved color reproduction at wide viewing angles. Both the LC-46D82U and the LC-52D82D will incorporate built in ATCS, NTSC and QAM tuners. For maximum flexibility the new series will include three 1080p capable HDMI inputs and two component video inputs. The new LC-46D92U will be available in February 2007 and has an MSRP of $3,699.99. The LC-52D82U has the same ship date and is listed at $4,799.99. The D92 Series will be available in four screen sizes starting with the LC-42D92U available in April 2007 with an MSRP of $3,499.99. The LC-46D92U has an MSRP of $4,199.99 and the LC-52D92U has an MSRP of $5,299.99 and are available now. The LC-65D93U will be available in March 2007 and will have an MSRP of $10,999.99. For more information visit www.sharpusa.com

 

[Hi Ho]

I am in total agreement with the others that Sharp is the way to go. I have been drooling over the LC-46D62U for some time at work. In my opinion, it has a better picture than the Sony XBR2 sitting right next to it.

RLA, can you compare the 62U series with the new 82U and 92U? Is there a major difference? Did you see any banding on the new models?

 

[brushro]

Lcd's

Hmmmmm.....Agressive downward pricing strategies huh?-New displays at the end of the pipeline huh?-ready to blow away anything in its path huh?----I'M IN !!!...I WANT ONE NOW!!!!!!

 

[zoran]

I am in total agreement with the others that Sharp is the way to go. I have been drooling over the LC-46D62U for some time at work. In my opinion, it has a better picture than the Sony XBR2 sitting right next to it.

RLA, can you compare the 62U series with the new 82U and 92U? Is there a major difference? Did you see any banding on the new models?

same here as costco carries this model, not newer ones.

Does any of new carry hdmi 1.3

 

[MDS]

My CES coverage of Sharp may interest you. ...<snip>

Great Ray, now I may have to wait a little bit longer until the new versions come out. So much for my plan of buying an LCD as a birthday present for myself in April unless I up my limit from $3K to $4K.

 

[Nick250]

Great Ray, now I may have to wait a little bit longer until the new versions come out. So much for my plan of buying an LCD as a birthday present for myself in April unless I up my limit from $3K to $4K.

Let me help you rationalize the extra $1K. Assume you keep the LCD four years. That's an extra $250 per year of use or an extra $.68 a day for the superior product. Yes, you heard me right Mr. MDS, only $.68 a day. And that does not even take into consideration the pride of ownership, and how impressed your friends will be. It's a no brainer.

So Mr. MDS, should we put you down for two or will one suffice?

Hope this helps.

Nick

 

[MDS]

Well Nick I do sort of think the same way you do. Whether you want to call it rationalizing or sound logical thinking I'm justifying the extra expense of an LCD flat panel vs a rear projection LCD by thinking the bulbs for rear projection are about $200-ish and if you own the TV for 10 years and replace the bulb 5 times, there is your extra $1000 - you just spent it upfront instead of over time.

So, I'll have to ponder more deeply on whether an extra 68 cents per day is going to be worth it to get the latest greatest model. The real problem is that I am tired of waiting and my current plan was 'happy birthday to me' with a new tv by April.

 

[Nick250]

I understand the having to wait problem. Last year when I ordered the Rocket UFW-10 sub, waiting even ten days seemed like a pretty long time.

Nick

 

[dondon7777]

Get the Sharp!

I bought a 46 in. D92 and it absolutely lives up to it's specifications. No other LCD dispaly out there now can touch it. The images are almost better than reality. The detail, the contrast, the depth of black images are all simply amazing. The colors are rich, vibrant and seem to leap off the screen. Even standard definition brodcasts or regular 480 DVD movies look awesome. I am more than satisfied with the Aquos D92 series. I compared it with Sony's XBR3s, Samsungs, even plasma screens, but there was just no denying the Sharp technology and imagery was superior in every way. Check it out for yourself, and I'm confident you'll agree.

Hey Guys,

My CES coverage of Sharp may interest you. All current LCD panels are 60Hz

After viewing the new 8th generation D82U and D92U 1080p LCD HDTV’s from Sharp, all doubt was removed from our minds that we had just seen the best image from an LCD HDTV at the 2007 CES. The 120 Hz frame rate conversion and contrast ratio of 10,000:1 for D82U and 15,000:1 for the D92U looked stunning. Detail, color, black level, and the overall image looked absolutely gorgeous. The new 120 Hz panel and fast 4-millisecond response time made fast motion content look fluid and natural. The D82 series will be available in 52-inch and 46-inch screen sizes and will have a sleek piano black cabinet and bottom mounted speakers. The new LCD HDTV’s will feature Multi-Pixel Technology, which divides each pixel into two sections and adds advanced driving system to provide 60 percent improved color reproduction at wide viewing angles. Both the LC-46D82U and the LC-52D82D will incorporate built in ATCS, NTSC and QAM tuners. For maximum flexibility the new series will include three 1080p capable HDMI inputs and two component video inputs. The new LC-46D92U will be available in February 2007 and has an MSRP of $3,699.99. The LC-52D82U has the same ship date and is listed at $4,799.99. The D92 Series will be available in four screen sizes starting with the LC-42D92U available in April 2007 with an MSRP of $3,499.99. The LC-46D92U has an MSRP of $4,199.99 and the LC-52D92U has an MSRP of $5,299.99 and are available now. The LC-65D93U will be available in March 2007 and will have an MSRP of $10,999.99. For more information visit www.sharpusa.com

 

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