Wisdom+Paradigm vs KEF+SVS vs MoFi+KEF+HSU

[KING DRANZER]

One of my cousin is unable to decide which setup he should get. He got 3 setups offered for his Basement 23x16x9(LxWxH)

1. Wisdom Audio + Paradigm Setup:
Wisdom Insight P6i x 3(Front LCR)
Paradigm CI Pro P1-LCR v2 x 4(Surrounds)
Paradigm CI Pro P65-R v2 x 4(Atmos)
Paradigm SFC12-SW + X500 x 2(Subwoofers)

2. KEF + SVS Setup:
KEF Ci5160RLM-THX x 3(Front LCR)
KEF Ci3160RLM-THX x 4(Surrounds)
KEF Ci200RR-THX x 4(Atmos)
SVS 3000 In-wall x 2(Subwoofers)

3. MoFi + KEF + HSU Setup:
MoFi Sourcepoint 10 x 3(Front LCR)
MoFi Sourcepoint 8 x 4(Surrounds)
KEF Ci200RR-THX x 4(Atmos)
HSU ULS-15 MK2 x 4(Subwoofers)

The usage is strictly for Movies. Which will be the Best. I am thinking it be MoFi for Dynamics and heavy hitting. Followed by KEF for its Clarity Detail. Followed by Wisdom Audio for its wide sound-stage.

What will be the best in your opinion.

 

[shadyJ]

The Hsu system will have the most powerful bass by a long shot. I do think the KEF THX in-walls are some of the few really good ones. My guess is that the Mofi stuff is decent too. I would probably go with the MoFi + Hsu sub system since that bass would be killer.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I assume they could switch things around - like KEF in-wall speakers + HSU in-room subs.

In general with all things being equal, I would prefer speakers and subs with bigger more dynamic drivers, instead of smaller drivers.

 

[lovinthehd]

Doesn't even seem they're for the same room....but I like Shady's idea

 

[KING DRANZER]

The Hsu system will have the most powerful bass by a long shot. I do think the KEF THX in-walls are some of the few really good ones. My guess is that the Mofi stuff is decent too. I would probably go with the MoFi + Hsu sub system since that bass would be killer.

Okay yes I was thinking the same. And all three are stock recommendations so can switch stuff a bit but staying in same budget range. Like we cannot add more In-Wall SUBs as that will become expensive.

 

[KING DRANZER]

I assume they could switch things around - like KEF in-wall speakers + HSU in-room subs.

In general with all things being equal, I would prefer speakers and subs with bigger more dynamic drivers, instead of smaller drivers.

So KEF + HSU SUBs give us Best Result. Interesting. I did not think of that. But if going in-wall I think they would stick to in-wall SUBs too.

 

[KING DRANZER]

Doesn't even seem they're for the same room....but I like Shady's idea

Same room as mentioned in the OP.

But seriously @shadyJ , @AcuDefTechGuy please can you give me Pros and Cons of Wisdom Audio speakers when compared to KEF and MoFi. I have first hand experience with KEF and MoFi but have no idea about Wisdom Audio speakers.

For example.

KEF :-
Pros:
High Detail
Clarity
Imaging
Wide Soundstage
Depth of Field
3D Envelopment
Cons:
Dynamics

MoFi :-
Pros:
Rich
Dynamics
Imaging
Wide Soundstage
Depth of Field
3D Envelopment
Cons:
High Detail
Clarity

Wisdom :-
Pros:
Widest Soundstage
That is all I know about Wisdom Audio. I got no idea about them.

 

[lovinthehd]

Same room as mentioned in the OP.

So the rationalization for one system vs another?

 

[KING DRANZER]

So the rationalization for one system vs another?

He cannot have all three systems in that room right. Can only have one. So want to know which will be the BEST.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I would never choose IW subs. Ever. And would easily recommend the HSU’s of the ones on the list here. I would also choose ported(maybe the newish TN-1), but having 4 sealed 15’s will still have decent 20hz output and will be pretty crazy from probably 25 up to 40hz. There are a lot of subwoofer options out there.

 

[Kingnoob]

Same room as mentioned in the OP.

But seriously @shadyJ , @AcuDefTechGuy please can you give me Pros and Cons of Wisdom Audio speakers when compared to KEF and MoFi. I have first hand experience with KEF and MoFi but have no idea about Wisdom Audio speakers.

For example.

KEF :-
Pros:
High Detail
Clarity
Imaging
Wide Soundstage
Depth of Field
3D Envelopment
Cons:
Dynamics

MoFi :-
Pros:
Rich
Dynamics
Imaging
Wide Soundstage
Depth of Field
3D Envelopment
Cons:
High Detail
Clarity

Wisdom :-
Pros:
Widest Soundstage
That is all I know about Wisdom Audio. I got no idea about them.

Looks like a high end brand probably very few can afford not sure the prices ?

The "Official" Wisdom Audio Thread

I decided to create this thread since (a) there is not one; (b) Wisdom Audio is not a very well recognized name in much of the audience that visits AVSForum; and (c) I just made a decision to install them in my theater. So while the following data may sound like some kind of a “Sales Pitch”...

www.avsforum.com

 

[KING DRANZER]

I would never choose IW subs. Ever. And would easily recommend the HSU’s of the ones on the list here. I would also choose ported(maybe the newish TN-1), but having 4 sealed 15’s will still have decent 20hz output and will be pretty crazy from probably 25 up to 40hz. There are a lot of subwoofer options out there.

Yes I know. Seriously at that point he could possibly even get 4x DIY 18" Dayton Ultimax II sealed done. That is if he plans to get stuff done DIY. That would get his down to 10-15hz easy. Specially with 4 of them. Even with those 4 sealed HSU SUBs he should be able to get down to 20-25hz.

But still main issue for me is having no idea about Wisdom Audio. So I just want to know but about that brand and how they sound etc.

 

[KING DRANZER]

Looks like a high end brand probably very few can afford not sure the prices ?

The "Official" Wisdom Audio Thread

I decided to create this thread since (a) there is not one; (b) Wisdom Audio is not a very well recognized name in much of the audience that visits AVSForum; and (c) I just made a decision to install them in my theater. So while the following data may sound like some kind of a “Sales Pitch”...

www.avsforum.com

Okay I read through it and I have come to a conclusion. Correct me if I am wrong. It seems like Wisdom Audio speakers are good to maintain equal sound level across seats and at longer distance provide wide sound stage. But when it comes to depth of field it falls flat. So if we want to have uniform experience across the seats and at longer distance then It is good.

But here this got me wondering that Concentric Design speakers try to achieve similar uniformity across wide seating position. Yes it may loose a bit of sound at longer distances compared to line source. But then it has benefit of having depth of field which line source lacks.

I am also not so sure on its imaging capabilities. I see some people saying it is not great at that while some arguing that it is. I am confused in that aspect. Also most been only discussing very high end stuff it seems. P6i been mention but not a lot. But I am guess they follow similar profile but at a lower grade. So that makes me loose even more confidence.

This is all the info I got through reading the thread.

 

[Kingnoob]

Okay I read through it and I have come to a conclusion. Correct me if I am wrong. It seems like Wisdom Audio speakers are good to maintain equal sound level across seats and at longer distance provide wide sound stage. But when it comes to depth of field it falls flat. So if we want to have uniform experience across the seats and at longer distance then It is good.

But here this got me wondering that Concentric Design speakers try to achieve similar uniformity across wide seating position. Yes it may loose a bit of sound at longer distances compared to line source. But then it has benefit of having depth of field which line source lacks.

I am also not so sure on its imaging capabilities. I see some people saying it is not great at that while some arguing that it is. I am confused in that aspect. Also most been only discussing very high end stuff it seems. P6i been mention but not a lot. But I am guess they follow similar profile but at a lower grade. So that makes me loose even more confidence.

This is all the info I got through reading the thread.

Hard to say without finding somewhere to hear them but they are higher end then any bestbuy here would carry. Who has actually heard MTM Planar Magnetic Driver??? Wait and see I guess … advanced stuff .

 

[KING DRANZER]

Hard to say without finding somewhere to hear them but they are higher end then any bestbuy here would carry. Who has actually heard MTM Planar Magnetic Driver??? Wait and see I guess … advanced stuff .

Yes. I think @shadyJ would have experience it for sure. I be surprised if he did not.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

@AcuDefTechGuy please can you give me Pros and Cons of Wisdom Audio speakers when compared to KEF and MoFi.

Personally, in addition to preferring bigger drivers and cabinets, I would never buy any speakers with cheaper materials like paper cones (MoFi) or polypropylene. I am sure they are fine (especially to designers and engineers), but personally I would stick to silk, aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber.

I am not a speaker engineer or designer, so no way I would spend thousands of dollars on speakers made with “CHEAP PAPER”.

In general, I think most of us casual home audiophiles FEEL LIKE wanting “Diamond” or “Beryllium” or just the usual Silk, Aluminum, Titanium, and Carbon Fiber, not “paper” or “plastic”.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So KEF + HSU SUBs give us Best Result. Interesting. I did not think of that. But if going in-wall I think they would stick to in-wall SUBs too.

Clean-look (all in-walls) is nice too.

Well, again, since I prefer bigger drivers, I would want my in-wall subwoofers to have dual 12” aluminum woofers like the RBH SI-1212 in-wall subs.

If we can fit dual 12” woofers inside the walls, why make 9” woofers or even smaller like 6” woofers for in-wall subs?

 

[KING DRANZER]

Personally, in addition to preferring bigger drivers and cabinets, I would never buy any speakers with cheaper materials like paper cones (MoFi) or polypropylene. I am sure they are fine (especially to designers and engineers), but personally I would stick to silk, aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber.

I am not a speaker engineer or designer, so no way I would spend thousands of dollars on speakers made with “CHEAP PAPER”.

In general, I think most of us casual home audiophiles FEEL LIKE wanting “Diamond” or “Beryllium” or just the usual Silk, Aluminum, Titanium, and Carbon Fiber, not “paper” or “plastic”.

TRUE, I wish MoFi used better material for its Drivers. But the reason I even considered MoFi is because of its Dynamics. It hits harder than KEF R series and at loss of clarity that seems a better choice. If I seriously want to up it I would have to go all the way up to Reference series or Arendal 1528 etc. Something like that. That is without loosing Depth of Field those offer.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

the reason I even considered MoFi is because of its Dynamics.

You like the 10” woofer on the Sourcepoint-10 bookshelf? 10” = 78.5 square-inch.

RBH 831 bookshelf and In-wall speakers have 5” tweeter + 3 x 8” woofers = 150.7 square-inch woofers.

RBH 821 bookshelf and in-wall speakers hasve 5” tweeter + 2 x 8” woofers = 100.5 square-inch surface area.

Other speakers also have big dynamics BOTH tweeter and woofer.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

What is the budget here?