This is all Benjamin Franklin's Fault

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Is there real proof of fraud in MN? Claims are easy, facts are more difficult to come by. ;)
Have you not seen reports of this?
I hope you’re kidding. But yes. It’s really bad.
Maybe everyone needs to take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture.

What prompted the ICE operation in Minnesota?


Background:
For years, investigators have been examining fraud of state funds in the state. In 2022, dozens of people – the vast majority of them Somali, although the leader was not – were charged after prosecutors say they falsely claimed to be providing meals to needy children during the Covid-19 pandemic through a nonprofit called Feeding Our Future. In all, 37 defendants have pleaded guilty, The Associated Press reported, but it’s unclear how many of them are Somali.
This was 3-4 years ago. Why ICE? Why now?

The day after Christmas, the controversy reignited with a viral video by 23-year-old conservative YouTuber Nick Shirley who claimed Somali-run child care centers were committing fraud using federal funds. His video, which received millions of views and was boosted by Elon Musk and Vice President JD Vance, showed him attempting to enter child care centers in Minneapolis and claiming he wanted to enroll a child.

The video set off a firestorm – although it included little evidence for its claims, which have also been rebutted by the owners of several of the centers. State officials have since said investigators visited each of the centers featured in the video and found them all operating as expected.
So, there was an issue that was being handled by the courts. However, a guy with an agenda sets off a firestorm that becomes a convenient excuse for the administration to initiate a surge of ICE into Minnesota, presumably with the aim of grabbing as many dastardly illegal Somalis as possible - because, of course, they must all be in on the fraud scheme. (That's sarcasm, if anyone is unsure)

Just how many do they hope to sweep up?

The exact number of undocumented immigrants in Minneapolis is unclear. The Twin Cities are home to the US’s largest diaspora from Somalia, a small Muslim-majority nation on the Horn of Africa that has been rent by decades of civil war and entrenched poverty. Nearly 58% of Somalis in Minnesota were born in the US, according to the US Census Bureau. Of the foreign-born Somalis in Minnesota, an overwhelming majority — 87% — are naturalized US citizens.

In Minnesota, around 5,000 people of Somali descent are not citizens, according to ACS. That figure includes people here through other legal means, such as permanent residents, green card holders and the couple hundred covered by Temporary Protected Status, a protection Trump said he would end earlier than planned.
So, while the exact number of undocumented people of Somali descent is unknown, it's pretty small. And, of those, how many would have been involved in the fraud scheme? Maybe a handful, maybe none. Regardless, does it justify the thousands of ICE agents and the associated costs, not to mention the chaotic poop pageant?

And, whatever the total funds fraudulently obtained in this scheme, they will be chump change compared to what Trump and his inner circle are soaking up from American taxpayers. The cognitive dissonance required to clutch pearls over one, but not the other, must be breaking brains.
 
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I wouldn't say "hardly", the Clintons have decided that they won't attend the questioning, so they'll likely be held in contempt of Congress. While it's an official charge, I think most of the country holds Congress in contempt. Not sure how someone with Bill's eye for woman and creeping hands (among other parts) can make this look innocent.

I would not want to be on the receiving end of Hillary's wrath.

You know what Americans aren’t talking about very much today after Trump’s threat to detonate the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) this week and his threat this morning to invoke the Insurrection Act in Minnesota?

They aren’t talking a lot about the fact that the Department of Justice has released less than 1% of the Epstein files despite the law, the Epstein Files Transparency Act, Congress passed requiring the release of those files in full no later than December 19. Trump loyalists are trying to shift public anger at Trump over the files back to former president Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, whom QAnon conspiracy theorists believed were at the heart of a child sex trafficking scheme.

Representative James Comer (R-KY) has threatened to hold former president Clinton in contempt of Congress for refusing to appear for a closed-door deposition about Epstein. But in a scathing four-page public letter to Comer, the Clintons called the subpoenas invalid and noted that Comer had subpoenaed eight people in addition to the Clintons and had then dismissed seven of them without testimony.

They also noted that Comer had done nothing to force the Department of Justice to release all the Epstein files as required by law, including all the material relating to them, as Bill Clinton has publicly called for. They said, “There is no plausible explanation for what you are doing other than partisan politics.”
I have the impression that Bill is willing to take his lumps - if it includes every name that might be in the files. What he is not willing to do, is allow himself to be the sole punching bag, allowing anyone else to slide under the radar. And, maybe if they released the remaining 99%+ of the Epstein files, testimony by the Clintons would be redundant.
 
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I have the impression that Bill is willing to take his lumps - if it includes every name that might be in the files. What he is not willing to do, is allow himself to be the sole punching bag, allowing anyone else to slide under the radar. And, maybe if they released the remaining 99%+ of the Epstein files, testimony by the Clintons would be redundant.
What lumps will he take, personally? When he was impeached, he had legal funds that paid for all of his fees and that flew directly in the face of Hillary's comment about them being "dirt poor when they left the White House"- it hadn't been paid off when they left, but that was done not long after they left, through donations to the fund. He slipped past the charges both times, although he may have made payments to some of the victims.

I think it may be time to search for potential candidates for political office who are willing to lose a specific part of their anatomy in order to be considered. This is just happening too frquently, at all levels- town, village, city, county, state and national. Under normal circumstances, guys are dogs but in politics, they're worse.
 
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Benjamin Franklin was far too enamoured with the French. So we ended up with a lousy rigid constitution, which I no longer support. I have not stood or recited the Pledge of Allegiance for years, and now regard it as a lousy document.

Our current troubles can be laid right at the door of the American Constitution. ALL rigid constitutions fail, and the US constitution is about to. I hope it is not too violent. But judging by what is happening in the Twin Cities right now, I can be far from certain of that. There is a grave danger of Civil War I think, and it could well start here in Minnesota.

Parliamentary democracies are much more endring. Henry Plantagenet was a really smart man.
Something I have been thinking about WRT your opinion- how the hell is this Franklin's fault? He was a writer, had a newspaper, was post master and ambassador, but he didn't create the form of government that exists because of the language in the Constitution, even if he was involved in some of it. Why blame him? He's not even listed as one of the writers of the original Federalist Papers.

He knew France would jump at the chance to fight against the British, but if he hadn't been able to get their support, this would still be a British territory, under the same king that overtaxed, abused, burdened and went to war with EVERYONE who irked him. It may be possible that Britain would have plundered, colonized and killed their way to being the largest world power and if you think the current form of Parliamentary government would exist, I think you're wrong. I think the colonies would have had slaves and I seriously doubt the practice would have ended when it did.

If the Crown had been a good model for government, it would have continued but the Colonists couldn't continue, so they wrote a Constitution that prevented the oppression that they had lived under. Remember, things on this continent were very different when the first English came and if you look into the practices of the leaders of the colonies, some were peaceful, many were anything but- the way they treated indigenous people was hellish and opportunistic- the idea of the colonies came about because they wanted to get away from religious persecution and through support from the Crown, the exploitation of EVERYTHING an everyone in their path. The excessive taxation around the time of the Revolution was due to England's inability to stop going to war with other countries and if you know anything about Thomas Jefferson, he was the one who stood up to the ransoms demanded by the Barbary pirates. Once he did that, it was just a matter of time before the rest of Europe stopped paying those turds and if anyone whop reads this doesn't know who the Barbary Pirates were, they should look into them. It still going on now, with different names for the offenders.

I also believe that technical innovation would be far behind the current level but it would be hard to know if/when World Wars I and II would have occurred and something similar to Nazism may have occurred since hatred of Jews had gone on since at least the 1200s. But if Europe had continued on a similar trajectory to what it did and the US had never won the Revolution, you would be speaking German because the US wouldn't have been able to supply the weapons/materiel that GB couldn't possibly have provided because it doesn't have the natural resources, manufacturing would never have reached the point that allowed the US to turn on a dime and convert from consumer/industrial goods to what was needed for the war effort.

One good thing about that- this is the number of American casualties from WWII- people who WOULDN'T HAVE been lost. And don't think for a moment that those who returned were 'whole' people. England's Royal family included Nazi sympathizers and people who were related to German rulers and declared war on Germany before anyone else during a time when hatred of Jews was rampant- WWII probably could have been prevented if people hadn't been so willing to hate a few groups of people. WWI was started because of a

  • Total deaths: About 405,399
  • Total wounded: Approximately 671,278
You think the Constitution is a rigid document that needs to go away- is this because you resent the successful conclusion of the Revolution? Aside from the 22nd through the 27th Amendments, all others were ratified before you were born and none of these have anything to do with the current state of politics, people's lack of control, crime or anything wlse. YOU have a problem with the 2nd Amendment and that's your right but you still came to this country- I assume it was for opportunities that didn't exist in England but you haven't offered anything in the way of solutions to the problems here, other than repealing 2A. Anyone can complain and it's all too common but nobody is coming up with ways to eliminate the problems.

This country was created as a way to stop living under the power and whims of a King in their pursuit of Life, Liberty and happiness, not to accept what the King tells us we can have and how much it will cost.

That said, people have caused EVERY problem created- it's not thefault of the Constitution or Benjamin Franklin, it's the fact that Human Nature was very badly underestimated and I doubt the Founding Fathers could have conceived of the depravity we're seeing, even considering the acts of Barbarians, Kings and others who you believe were superior to those in power now.

If Henry Plantagenit was as you believe, England should have been far more peaceful than it was, going forward. It would seem that his successors learned little from him.
 
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What lumps will he take, personally? When he was impeached, he had legal funds that paid for all of his fees and that flew directly in the face of Hillary's comment about them being "dirt poor when they left the White House"- it hadn't been paid off when they left, but that was done not long after they left, through donations to the fund. He slipped past the charges both times, although he may have made payments to some of the victims.

I think it may be time to search for potential candidates for political office who are willing to lose a specific part of their anatomy in order to be considered. This is just happening too frquently, at all levels- town, village, city, county, state and national. Under normal circumstances, guys are dogs but in politics, they're worse.
Don't forget the billions that Trum and family is amassing right now, while in office, not afterwards writing books. :eek:
 
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I have the impression that Bill is willing to take his lumps - if it includes every name that might be in the files. What he is not willing to do, is allow himself to be the sole punching bag, allowing anyone else to slide under the radar. And, maybe if they released the remaining 99%+ of the Epstein files, testimony by the Clintons would be redundant.
And I posted the link to Factcheck.org about the fraud that happened years ago and prosecuted, asking why ICE is involved after the fact.

Probing Trump's Verbal Attack on Somalis - FactCheck.org
 
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What lumps will he take, personally? When he was impeached, he had legal funds that paid for all of his fees and that flew directly in the face of Hillary's comment about them being "dirt poor when they left the White House"- it hadn't been paid off when they left, but that was done not long after they left, through donations to the fund. He slipped past the charges both times, although he may have made payments to some of the victims.

I think it may be time to search for potential candidates for political office who are willing to lose a specific part of their anatomy in order to be considered. This is just happening too frquently, at all levels- town, village, city, county, state and national. Under normal circumstances, guys are dogs but in politics, they're worse.
The lumps he could face might not even be legal ones. He could become a social outcast. It's all conjecture right now.
 

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